"Americans not getting bang for buck in Europe"

Frank F. Matthews wrote:

Lacking eligibility I don't pay much attention. Most shops in the
Quarter in New Orleans sport refund stickers though. FFM

Yes, Louisiana does offer this service. They also claim to be the first
state to do so and I believe it is rather new. States would have to
compare the increase in tourist $'s and taxes from taxable services to
tax $'s lost due to refunds.

Earl Evleth wrote in message ...
On 9/02/04 11:00, in article
, "PJ O'Donovan"
wrote:

In the US, the top 10% of income earners pay 65% of FIT, while the
lower 90% pay 35%. The top 1% pay 35%. I hope you are aware of the
statistics on this fact?

You only look at it one way, taxes taxes taxes.


How else can the Marxist regime enforce its coercive wealth
redistribution
scheme? It must penalize achievers for their achievement as a means of
subsidizing the under achievers and the demagogues buy votes by ever
increasing
coercive confiscatory taxes on the smaller group who achieve until
fewer and fewer have the incentive to achieve. Reason all attempts at
Socialism whether it is International (communist) or National
Socialism or creeping as we have it here has a history of eventual
economic collapse throughout history.

"milesh" wrote in message
...


Frank F. Matthews wrote:

Lacking eligibility I don't pay much attention. Most shops in the
Quarter in New Orleans sport refund stickers though. FFM

Yes, Louisiana does offer this service. They also claim to be the first
state to do so and I believe it is rather new. States would have to

Are you sure about this? The following text doesn't suggest this (doesn't
deny it either):


Can I get a sales tax refund on purchases made in the U.S.?
Sales tax you pay in the U.S. is not comparable to Value Added Tax (VAT)
levied by many European Countries. Sales taxes are levied by individual
states, and the regulations regarding tax refunds differ from state to
state. Contact the Department of Revenue (Sometimes called the Taxation and
Finance Department) in the state your are planning to visit for more
information. In many cases, you are required to have a State Sales Tax
Exemption Certificate before making any purchases. See our About the USA -
Travel for links to official State homepages.

Anyways the tax is typically pretty low and even when a foreign tourist is
entitled for a refund, it typically doesn't seem worthwhile to go through a
complex procedure to claim it unless the vendor directly supports this.

On 9 Feb 2004 08:42:39 -0800, (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:

Earl Evleth wrote in message ...
On 9/02/04 11:00, in article
, "PJ O'Donovan"
wrote:

In the US, the top 10% of income earners pay 65% of FIT, while the
lower 90% pay 35%. The top 1% pay 35%. I hope you are aware of the
statistics on this fact?

You only look at it one way, taxes taxes taxes.


How else can the Marxist regime enforce its coercive wealth
redistribution
scheme? It must penalize achievers for their achievement

Achievers? Like the guy from Wessex Water in the UK who did a deal
with - er - ENRON and pocketed £1 million for himself. That's
"achievement"?

Anita Roddick (see "Take it Personally) reckons that only 2% of world
trade is in "real" commodities - the remainder is scum in suits doing
deals as above.

Achievers my arse. Corporate greedheads.

as a means of
subsidizing the under achievers and the demagogues buy votes by ever
increasing
coercive confiscatory taxes on the smaller group who achieve until
fewer and fewer have the incentive to achieve. Reason all attempts at
Socialism whether it is International (communist) or National
Socialism or creeping as we have it here has a history of eventual
economic collapse throughout history.

I think those in third world countries who are on starvation wages
making things in sweatshops for multinational corporations, and
impoverished third world farmers might not agree with you.

"Padraig Breathnach" schreef in bericht
...
(PJ O'Donovan) wrote:

Keith Anderson wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:10:55 -0000, "nick" wrote:

I'd actually settle for a democratic socialist. I'm a big fan of
Tony
Benn.

Socialism aint very democratic After all its the first stage of
communism, the final
stage being dictatorship.

OK, change the words to Social Democracy - I'll settle for that.

Much prefer it to global corporatism which is Robin Hood in reverse -
rob the poor to feed the rich.


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic
system for the exploitation of the economically weak,.... and we are
determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --

--Adolf Hitler qouted in a speech by the noted Historian, John Toland
in his
biography "Adolf Hitler", pg 306.

What, if anything, does that prove?


It proves that P.J. O'Donovan
a) doesn't know a thing about economics;
b) doesn't know how to have a decent discussion;
c) does know how to apply the always valid Internet law that in any thread
longer than 30 posts Nazism or Hitler will be mentioned.

Sjoerd

Keith Anderson wrote:

Achievers? Like the guy from Wessex Water in the UK who did a deal
with - er - ENRON and pocketed £1 million for himself. That's
"achievement"?

Thats a small % of the wealthy. Scum exists in all sectors. To say
anyone that is successful and wealthy is greedy is a long stretch often
from people who wish to justify 'legally' taking their money. Most
wealthy individuals are honest hard working people who deserve their wealth.

"PJ O'Donovan" schreef in bericht
om...

Many Europeans go to NY the first trip and think they are seeing the
US. It really is an international cess pool and the least typical of
any place in the US.

Unfortunately. New York City is by far the nicest city in the USA (there are
relatively few other cities in the US worth visiting IMHO) and indeed one of
the nicest cities in the world.

Sjoerd

milesh wrote:
Sjoerd wrote:
Unfortunately. New York City is by far the nicest city in the USA (there
are relatively few other cities in the US worth visiting IMHO) and indeed
one of the nicest cities in the world.

That is subject to ones definition of nice. I dislike big cities in
general and try to avoid visiting them as much as possible.

If I hate chocolate then my opinion on the best chocolate bar isn't going to
be very helpful to chocolate-lovers - I'd recommend the one that tastes the
least like chocolate.

As a city lover, in my opinion New York City is far and away the best place
of any sort in the USA and one of the best two or three destinations the
planet Earth has to offer.

There are many cities I would choose for a visit besides NYC. I do not
consider traffic jams, noise, crowds etc. as being nice. For my travels,
I greatly prefer the friendliness of smaller towns and the scenic views
they often provide.

Boredom, provinciality, xenophobia, desolation, lack of variety in food and
music and architecture and viewpoints.

No thanks.

miguel
--
Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/

PJ O'Donovan wrote:

Some of the left wing nuts here who want to tax Americans into
oblivion lose
sight of these hidden taxes. I wonder how many have heard of the
alternative minimum tax that affects the so-called "rich" like the cop
on the beat whose wife is an RN, filing a joint return. Americans are
also burdened with state income taxes in most states in addition to
state property taxes and local property taxes, all in addition to
Social Security taxes which are taxed 3 times for many of the "rich"
prudent enoough to save enough to generate an additional $30,000 per
year past age 65. But these taxes on the "rich" will never be enough
to placate the Marxist mentality until all are poor, suffering
together.


Income taxes in the US are low compared to other developed countries. Of
course because they are low, we don't get a whole lot for the taxes we do
pay (most USAin's don't know this, though). I'd gladly pay higher taxes to
fund a national health insurance scheme that covers everyone (in fact, it
might not be necessary to raise taxes for this at all - the overhead in the
health care industry so highly obscene that it amounts to a "tax" on all
Americans, whether insured or not) or to make sure that everyone has decent
housing, equitable education, etc.....

--
Best
Greg

Earl Evleth wrote in message ...
On 9/02/04 14:10, in article ,
"Padraig Breathnach" wrote:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic
system for the exploitation of the economically weak,.... and we are
determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --

--Adolf Hitler qouted in a speech by the noted Historian, John Toland
in his
biography "Adolf Hitler", pg 306.


In that sense, referring to Hitler as a socialist is non-sequitur, it has
nothing to do with the current situation.



Few are ready to recognize that the rise of fascism and naziism was
not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period
but a necessary outcome of those tendencies. This is a truth which
most people were unwilling to see even when the similarities of many
of the repellent features of the internal regimes in communist Russia
and National Socialist Germany were widely recognized. As a result,
many who think themselves infinitely superior to the aberrations of
naziism, and sincerely hate all its manifestations, work at the same
time for ideals whose realization would lead straight to the abhorred
tyranny.


Frederick Hayek- Nobel Prize Winning Economist in "The Road To
Serfdom"