Avoid Delta and Atlanta

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:54:12 GMT, mrtravel
wrote:

The Reid wrote:
how is it better than satellite or freeview?

Weather and other obstacles can cause problems for satelite TV, plus the
dish might not fit with the style of your home.

And what if you get many hundreds less channels with the cable system,
does that change the decision?

Jim.

On 14 Aug 2006 04:14:55 -0700, "Tchiowa"
wrote:


The Reid wrote:
Following up to Sarah Banick

Hey, watch your attributions. I know that it's only the Balkans that are
balkanized (they are mountained?)

Ah, I see, you have quoted text without quote thingies. Trying to
trick me, hah. You were lucky I didint do a long explanation of
the history of Europe and the European colonies and how native
americans, if left alone would have become small nation states,
so its one of the loons who thinks Europe "Balkanised", one of
the ones I dont read anymore I expect, Tchowa reverse engineered
history, possibly?

Balkanized is a term that came into common use during the 1990s when
Yugoslavia came apart and the Balkans erupted into war. Balkanized
means that the area has been chopped up into small independent
political entities based on mutual hatred.

You must be young to think the word "Balkanized" came into common
use in the 1990s.

Kind of like the rest of Europe.

Or did you think that all those nations formed by some kind of magic?

THOSE nations were formed in the aftermath of WW1, much of them
in an abslent-midned manner by the diplomats at Versailles. They
were formed from a plethora of even smaller nations that once
existed in the area, save those that the Austrian Hungarian
Empire cobbled together

"Some damn thing in the Balkans."

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:08:01 +0100, The Reid
wrote:

Following up to Hatunen

I assume its largely true then, except for some trivial nitpick.
Why is *cable* TV important? I'm about to ditch mine.

Well, I've seen Finnish TV without cable, and trust me, cable is
important.

how is it better than satellite or freeview?

They're all better than Finnish TV.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:32:48 GMT, (Jim Ley)
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:29:30 GMT, "a.spencer3"
wrote:

For sports events, for instance, you can select which tennis match/field
event/soccer match, whatever, you prefer to watch instead of the mainstream
event..

Seperate channels would be much better for that.

Bandwidth is the problem. If yo interactively pick a channel to
watch, only that channel will be sent to you. Separate channels
requires enough bandwidth for all the channels sent.

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:02:46 GMT, (Jim Ley)
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:54:12 GMT, mrtravel
wrote:

The Reid wrote:
how is it better than satellite or freeview?

Weather and other obstacles can cause problems for satelite TV, plus the
dish might not fit with the style of your home.

And what if you get many hundreds less channels with the cable system,
does that change the decision?

It doesn't matter if the alternative is watching Finnish TV
stations. Although I will say that we found the tango singing
contest from Seinajoki kind of fascinating, perhaps abetted buy
the fact that we barely understood a word of it.

At least some of the cable channels are in English and French.
The European cable channel shows old French movies subtitled in
..... (drumroll please).... French. Go figure. But it's the first
time I gotto see "Les Amants" uncensored. I first saw it in the
1050s at an art theater in Cleveland and the sexy scenes were
darkened. So I found out those scenes that had been darkened
beyond visibility in the USA in the 1950s were a total bore with
today's mores.

But Jeanne Moreau looked hot.


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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:05:36 +0100, The Reid
wrote:

Following up to Mxsmanic

My watch is accurate to 1 second in three million years. No cellphone
does better than that.

why do you care?

Gets you to meetings on time, eh?

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:54:28 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
wrote:

On 13 Aug 2006 21:25:19 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:


Dave Frightens Me wrote:
On 10 Aug 2006 18:01:31 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:

Utter rubbish. These people are no more likely to have links with Al
Qaeda and the Taliban than anyone else. They were just rounded up so
the USA could have some spoils.

And your proof of that?

They are being deprived due process only because many of them would be
found to have done nothing.

And your proof of *that*???

Just read the ****ing article and educate yourself. They have been
assumed guilty, and have no way of proving otherwise.

In other words you have to proof and you are willing to believe any
slanted article you can find.

Can you spell "gullible"?

Yet you believe politicians instead of facts from government sources.
An odd idea of gullible.

"Gullible" isn't in the dictionary, so it can't be a word.

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On 14 Aug 2006 03:43:58 -0700, "Tchiowa"
wrote:


Jordi wrote:
Tchiowa wrote:

Yup. In part. But they still have their passports. But my statement
still stands. Europeans travel "abroad" more than Americans because
damn near everything in Europe is "abroad" for Europeans? Brussels to
Amsterdam is a foreign trip. New York to LA isn't. Which is the greater
travel?

In terms of distance, it is, in cultural terms a trip from Athens to
Berlin is a greater 'distance'.

Nonsense. The difference in culture between New York City, San
Francisco, Miami, New Orleans are every bit as great.

Especially the languages.

The boundaries are there for a reason.

Hate, bigotry, a millienium of murder, how are those for starters?

I'd think you were talking about the USA if you hadn't said a
"millenium" We've only ahd some 500 years for it.


I didn't say that. But we were discussing spending money on vacation.
You seem to be surrendering.


No, we're talking two completely different things. All this came after
you said more or less 'what's the use of holidays if people don't have
money to spend', Europeans do have enough money to keep a... say
'western' lifestyle without having to work 51 weeks a year, that's all.

But their "western" lifestyle is lower than American's.

In northern Europe? Not that I can see.


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On 14 Aug 2006 07:46:56 -0700, "Jordi"
wrote:


Tchiowa wrote:
Jordi wrote:
Tchiowa wrote:

In this context, it's a matter of grade and word choice.

No, in this context it's the core of what works and what doesn't work.

In your black & white world, perhaps.


In terms of distance, it is, in cultural terms a trip from Athens to
Berlin is a greater 'distance'.

Nonsense. The difference in culture between New York City, San
Francisco, Miami, New Orleans are every bit as great.

No, they're not.

In many ways they really are. For instance, if you spend any time
in Miami you will quickly realize it is a Caribbean city.

A couple decades ago tehre was a book called "The Nine Nations of
North America", a fascinating read even if some of it is out of
date (for instance calling the nation around the Great lakes in
Canada and the USA "The Factory", now know as "The Rust Belt").
The author defines a nation he calls "The Islands" consisting of
the area of the Caribbean and the southern part of florida; he
names its "capital" as Miami, the place where wheelers and
dealers meat to arrange financing and set policies for that
region.


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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:29:37 -0400, "Sarah Banick"
wrote:


"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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Sarah Banick wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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Instead try asking how many people in the US travel away from home and
how far the typical trip is and compare with Europe. You'll find that
Americans travel more.

Do you have actual numbers on this? I am really curious to see if that is
true. There are many Americans who have never been out of their state or
region, especially those at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder.
Their
typical trip is to the nearest beach or amusement park.

You're wrong about that. There was a study done a few years ago about
Americans living below the poverty line and the majority of them took
annual vacations away from home.

Let's see those stats. A link will do.



I still agree with the others. An American driving from say, Virginia to
California, may cover a lot of territory, but he's still in the same
culture
(all California jokes aside), he's still watching the same television
programs, speaking the same language, and not using a passport or being
exposed to the many quirks (for lack of a better word) of international
travel.

Culture the same in New Orleans and New York?

I don't think so.

What, they don't watch American Idol, argue about the administration in
Washington, pay social security and federal income tax, and celebrate the
fourth of July? The food and accents, and some state laws, are different,
that's all. I charge you to find more differences than similarities between
New York and New Orleans.

What? Europeans don't watch American television, argue about the
administration in Brussels, pay VAT taxes and converge to a
uniformity of EU imposed laws?

As for me, I have found New York and New Orleans to have very
different cultures, perhaps because I grew up in a still
different cultu the Midwest. And San Francisco??? I've lived
there; it's different.

Business culture is converging to a sort of international
culture, no matter the country.


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