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Americans panicking again..................
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Bert Hyman wrote: (nobody) wrote in : Peter L wrote: You would be too if someone flew a couple of planes into tall buildings and killed 3000 people. Sorry to be blunt but... GET OVER IT. Bush has killed 3 times more Iraqis than were killed at WTC. Hmmm... Since only about 2400 were killed in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, I guess that to you, WW-II was just a big mistake. no but attacking Mexico for Pearl Harbor would have been -- Irag had nothing to do with 9/11 and we have abandoned the war on terror to scratch Bush's Saddam Hussein itch |
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Americans panicking again..................
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Bert Hyman wrote: (nobody) wrote in : Peter L wrote: You would be too if someone flew a couple of planes into tall buildings and killed 3000 people. Sorry to be blunt but... GET OVER IT. Bush has killed 3 times more Iraqis than were killed at WTC. Hmmm... Since only about 2400 were killed in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, I guess that to you, WW-II was just a big mistake. Yeah, really. We should have just laughed it all off (accidents will happen, you know...). Let Europe fall to the Germans; let the Japanese take over the Pacific Rim. Really, not our problem. What *were* we thinking? |
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Americans panicking again..................
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wrote: Peter L wrote: You would be too if someone flew a couple of planes into tall buildings and killed 3000 people. Here in the UK we've had 3000 killed over the past 30 years, some of them financed by Noraid. We've had the centre of Manchester destroyed by bombs, we've had soldiers and priests killed in Aldershot, we've had Canary Wharf bombed with 100 wounded, 2 dead and £85 million worth of damage, we've had pub bombings in Guildford and Birmingham (I was in there the night it happened), we've had the Queen's cousin killed by an IRA bomb, we've had buses destroyed in London by IRA bombs, we had 29 people killed by a 500lb car bomb in Omagh. Throughout all this we managed to carry on without getting our panties in a twist. IOW, you just don't care. As long as none of the above-mentioned mayhem affects you (or your loved ones) personally, it effectively didn't happen. There's a fairly valid argument that if something, like 9/11, doesn't affect either you or a loved one, then it effectively did not happen. I can certainly understand this position. |
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Americans panicking again..................
"nobody" wrote in message
... Peter L wrote: You would be too if someone flew a couple of planes into tall buildings and killed 3000 people. Sorry to be blunt but... GET OVER IT. Bush has killed 3 times more Iraqis than were killed at WTC. There were very few Iraqis killed at the World Trade Center. And, of course, the millions of people Saddam Hussein raped, tortured, maimed and slaughtered are to be excused with the flick of a limp wrist and should have been allowed to continue without foreign intervention according to Leftwing Liberal "humanitarians". KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ |
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Americans panicking again..................
"Jenn" wrote in message
... no but attacking Mexico for Pearl Harbor would have been -- Irag had nothing to do with 9/11 and we have abandoned the war on terror to scratch Bush's Saddam Hussein itch You obviously haven't been keeping up with the news: Case for Iraq War Stronger Than Ever Chief weapons of mass destruction hunter David Kay's pronouncement over the weekend that he doesn't think the U.S. will ever find Iraq's WMD stockpiles has all but demolished the Bush administration's central justification for the Iraq war. But as the WMD case grew increasingly weaker over the last year, the case for war against Saddam Hussein actually became more and more compelling - based on the growing dossier of evidence linking the Iraqi dictator to the 9/11 attacks. Though the Bush administration has strenuously looked the other way on one blockbuster development after another, the 9/11 file on Baghdad has grown to include: A memo from Iraqi intelligence uncovered by the London Sunday Telegraph last month stating that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had completed his training regimen in Baghdad under the tutelage of notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal. The memo was dated just two months before the World Trade Center attacks. In one passage, the Iraqi intelligence chief reportedly informs Saddam that Atta had demonstrated his capability as leader of the team "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy." A Defense Department memo detailing over 50 contacts between senior officials in Iraq and Osama bin Laden's minions going back to the 1980s. According to a November 2003 report in the Weekly Standard, the memo cites evidence that Ahmed al Ani, the Iraqi intelligence chief in Czechoslovakia, "ordered the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] finance officer to issue [Mohamed] Atta funds from IIS financial holdings in the Prague office." A Wall Street Journal report linking Flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah to Abu Nidal, who had reportedly helped train his 9/11 partner Mohamed Atta. "A constant figure in Jarrah's life in Germany was his great-uncle, Assem Omar Jarrah," the Journal said. "According to the German magazine, Der Spiegel, Assem Jarrah worked for a long time as an informer for the Stasi, the East German secret service, while maintaining connections to [Abu] Nidal's terror group." Eleven months after the 9/11 attacks, Nidal was executed in Baghdad by Saddam's secret police in what many believe was an attempted cover-up of Iraq's 9/11 complicity. A Nov. 11, 2001, report in the London Observer citing the accounts of two Iraqi defectors who say they helped train radical Islamists to overcome U.S. flight crews using only small knives - a technique never used before 9/11 - at Iraq's Salman Pak terrorist training facility. Sabah Khodada, one of the defectors, told PBS's "Frontline" that he believed the 9/11 attacks had been executed "by graduates of Salman Pak." While the defectors' accounts were widely reported at the time, the media later dropped the story as the Bush administration built its WMD case against Iraq. U.S. satellite photos confirming the existence of a Boeing 707 fuselage that Khodada and his partner say was used as a hijacking classroom. U.N. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer, who was tapped on Friday to succeed David Kay, corroborated their account. "We reported [the Salman Pak hijacking drills] at the time, but they've obviously taken on new significance" after the 9/11 attacks, Duelfer told USA Today at the time. A May 7, 2003, decision by Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer, who awarded $104 million to two families of 9/11 victims based on the testimony of Khodada, Duelfer and former CIA Director James Woolsey, as well as other evidence presented to his court. In his opinion Judge Baer wrote that the case was "sufficient to meet plaintiffs' burden that Iraq collaborated in or supported bin Laden/al Qaeda's terrorist acts of September 11." The account of former CIA Director Woolsey, whose testimony was summarized by Judge Baer thusly: "Director Woolsey described the existence of a highly secure military facility in Iraq where non-Iraqi fundamentalists [e.g., Egyptians and Saudis] are trained in airplane hijacking and other forms of terrorism. Through satellite imagery and the testimony of three Iraqi defectors, plaintiffs demonstrated the existence of this facility, called Salman Pak, which has an airplane but no runway." Judge Baer continued: "The defectors also stated that these fundamentalists were taught methods of hijacking using utensils or short knives. Plaintiffs contend it is farfetched to believe that Iraqi agents trained fundamentalists in a top-secret facility for any purpose other than to promote terrorism." The failure to turn up Saddam's weapons of mass destruction is being called a stunning intelligence failure. But the far more startling intelligence blunder may turn out to be the Bush administration's decision not to spotlight reams of compelling evidence tying Iraq to 9/11. ~ Carl Limbacher, et. al. ~ http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...6/120224.shtml -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ |
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Americans panicking again..................
"Kenny McCormack" wrote in message
... In article , Bert Hyman wrote: (nobody) wrote in : Bush has killed 3 times more Iraqis than were killed at WTC. Hmmm... Since only about 2400 were killed in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, I guess that to you, WW-II was just a big mistake. Yeah, really. We should have just laughed it all off (accidents will happen, you know...). Let Europe fall to the Germans; let the Japanese take over the Pacific Rim. Really, not our problem. What *were* we thinking? Well, no, the U.S. shouldn't have just laughed it off, they should have sent an appeasement delegation to Tokyo to determine if the Americans had done something to asault their self esteem and offer to make whatever concessions were necessary to assuage their sensitivities while, of course, forming a congressional committee to design and build a "Maginot Line" around Pearl Harbor to prevent future attacks. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ |
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Americans panicking again..................
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... Peter L wrote: You would be too if someone flew a couple of planes into tall buildings and killed 3000 people. Here in the UK we've had 3000 killed over the past 30 years, some of them financed by Noraid. We've had the centre of Manchester destroyed by bombs, we've had soldiers and priests killed in Aldershot, we've had Canary Wharf bombed with 100 wounded, 2 dead and £85 million worth of damage, we've had pub bombings in Guildford and Birmingham (I was in there the night it happened), we've had the Queen's cousin killed by an IRA bomb, we've had buses destroyed in London by IRA bombs, we had 29 people killed by a 500lb car bomb in Omagh. Throughout all this we managed to carry on without getting our panties in a twist. Give me apathy or give me something else, I really don't care. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ |
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J F tells Americans: "Get over it!"
JF M e z e i foamed at the mouth:
Peter L wrote: You would be too if someone flew a couple of planes into tall buildings and killed 3000 people. Sorry to be blunt but... GET OVER IT. Bush has killed 3 times more Iraqis than were killed at WTC. It is much better to have one plane crash per year and the rest flying full and airlines profitable than to put in so many fear messages that nobody flies, airlines are going belly up, Boeing firing people left and right etc etc. You cannot let terrorists prevent you from living a normal life. And that means you must prevent your government from going overboard with 1984 style measures which, in the end, will do far more damage to your economy and lifestyle than one very bad day in 2001. Americans should wake up from this nightmare and realise that it has been made far worse by the Bush regime that it really was. Yes, 9-11 was a disaster of biblical proportions, not because of the number of dead, not because of the plane crashes, but because of the people trapped and the sheer size of the structures that fell down and it was all shown live to the world. Had the BAM earthquake been shown live, with 30k people killed, perhaps it would have put the WTC disaster in perspective. The intelligence community should be told to do their work behind the scenes and their information must not be used as propaganda to exagerate the theaths to keep the public in fear. It is as if the United States of America was being artificially maintained in a state of shock even since 9-11. When Americans who would kill to prevent a government from issuing identity cards for fear of "big brother" end up supporting the Patriot Act and stuff like CAPPS, it means that there is something seriously changed with the american psyche. American should realise that the real threath is their own government who exagerates the threaths for their own political purposes. Hmmm. . .why ruin this Mezei doozie with a comment. Speaks for itself really. . |
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Americans panicking again..................
"alohacyberian" schreef in bericht ... "Jenn" wrote in message ... no but attacking Mexico for Pearl Harbor would have been -- Irag had nothing to do with 9/11 and we have abandoned the war on terror to scratch Bush's Saddam Hussein itch You obviously haven't been keeping up with the news: Case for Iraq War Stronger Than Ever delete fabricated lies You must be quite desperate to post this crap, Aloha. |
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