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Draconian vacation policies for US slave workers
JohnT writes:
Forgive me for using a technical expression here, but that is a load of crap. Not to worry: a single emotional expression against a paragraph of fact isn't much of a contest. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:17:40 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Dave Frightens Me writes: No building produces heat. All buildings produce heat, from lights, office machines, the people inside, and so on. The buiding produces nothing. Everything else can be controlled. You left. That suggests you didn't learn a thing. On the contrary, I learned that a hellhole with air conditioning is still a hellhole, and I decided to move somewhere where I don't have to spend nine months of the year indoors. I think you spend that much now indoors anyway. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:18:38 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: JohnT writes: Forgive me for using a technical expression here, but that is a load of crap. Not to worry: a single emotional expression against a paragraph of fact isn't much of a contest. It's not a bad summation though. Can you counter it? -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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Dave Frightens Me writes:
The buiding produces nothing. Everything else can be controlled. Controlling it doesn't prevent it from producing heat. Any building other than a completely abandoned building generates heat, and that heat must be removed. If a building is perfectly insulated, it will heat up until it melts. If it is merely very well insulated, it might be able to do without any heating system, even in the coldest winters. But it will always need air conditioning, _especially_ if it is well insulated. I think you spend that much now indoors anyway. It's getting to be hot nine months of the year where I live now--something I never expected even in my wildest nightmares. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Dave Frightens Me writes:
It's not a bad summation though. Can you counter it? I don't use emotional arguments in my discussions. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Iceman writes: Heating is a necessity. Air conditioning is a luxury. Just as heating is a necessity when the temperature is 4° C, A/C is a necessity when the temperature is 36° C. In fact, however, A/C is more necessary than heating, because it is possible to diminish the need for heating by dressing warmly and simply conserving body heat; whereas the need for cooling cannot be diminished by any type of dress, since the human body generates heat constantly, which must be removed. How did the world manage before A/C? |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Frightens Me writes: You are grossly over simplifying things. No, I'm not. That's what it boils down to, and that's what people don't understand. There are many means of dealing with heat other than air-con. The only way to remove heat is with refrigeration. The only way to remove cold is with heating. The fundamental difference between the two is that buildings and people produce heat continuously, which must be removed, no matter what the weather is like. This means that you can keep people warm just by insulating them, but you cannot keep them cool without some form of active cooling. You can survive without any type of heating even at -80° C if you are wearing the right clothing, but you cannot survive for more than a few minutes at +80° C unless you have active cooling systems to remove heat. What part of the world population needs the ability to survive at +80C or +176 F? |
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mrtravel writes:
What part of the world population needs the ability to survive at +80C or +176 F? I was giving an equivalent in heat for a temperature of -80° C. I was being conservative, though, since -80° C is about 100° below optimum, so the real equivalent in heat would be 120° C. No part of the planet gets much above 57° C, although a great many areas regularly approach that temperature. This is good, since it is much harder for human beings to deal with heat than it is for them to deal with cold. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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mrtravel writes:
How did the world manage before A/C? By dramatically limiting human activity during hot weather. In hot climates without A/C, for example, human activity may come to a near or total standstill during the day. It is not possible to maintain the pace and activity of modern developed countries in hot weather without air conditioning. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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The Reid wrote: Following up to Tchiowa Global warming has been going on for thousands of years. Species loss is no greater than any other time in history and is offset by species gain. Oil reserves will last at least another century by which time we can easily have alternate energy sources (if the environmental nuts will allow it, that is). So where is your warning? stop belieng fairy tales? Which are you labelling a fairy tale? Weren't you aware that global warming has been going on for over 10,000 years? They didn't teach you about the ice age in school? Species loss, is that it? Species loss is no higher now than it has ever been. Lower than in some cases. Didn't study the periodic "dyings" that the earth goes through where 90% of the species vanish in a fairly short period of time. Oil reserves? We have more proven oil reserves now than we had the last time that the Left informed us we were almost outl. So which one is a fairy tale? |
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