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mrtravel writes:

If you put a fan in the window, you can then have air move in or out,
depending on a combination of blade direction and shape.

In hot weather, it doesn't matter, since the air is hot both inside
and out.

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mrtravel writes:

Maybe that is how it is in your part of the world, but common sense
dictates that you have a method to extract the air from the house.

And replace it with what? More hot air from the outside?

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Actually, A/C is extremely common in Asia. Singapore is famous for
its extensive use of A/C, in particular.

Have you been to Singapore? Plenty of people don't use AC, unless you
are talking about office towers and shopping malls. Visit some
residential areas sometime, you'll see curtains flapping in the wind.
You'll also see thousands upon thousands eating at open-air restaurants.

I live a few hours up the road from Singapore, and I sure don't use it.
With a cross-breeze and a fan it's perfectly nice in here. According to
my trusty thermometer it's currently 81F/27C indoors, at 2pm (hottest
part of the day, and it hasn't even rained yet to cool things off).
Marble floors, a thick, insulating roof, and windows on two sides make a
big difference.

When I go to people's houses I would say about 1 in 5 have the AC on
(usually foreigners), despite the fact that almost all of them could
easily afford it.

miguel
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Mxsmanic wrote:
mrtravel writes:
Maybe that is how it is in your part of the world, but common sense
dictates that you have a method to extract the air from the house.

And replace it with what? More hot air from the outside?

Again with the moving targets.

You claimed that a fan was useless for feeling cooler because any space
would become increasingly humid until reaching 100%. Mrtravel points out
that few people sit with their fans in sealed containers; they open a
window.

So no, not more hot air - more air that's the same temperature. The
important thing about the new air in this discussion is that it's less
humid than the air which has supposedly been rapidly saturated by your
profuse sweating, allowing you to continue to cool down by perspiring.

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Following up to Miguel Cruz

which has supposedly been rapidly saturated

"supposedly" I cant understand why you dont post here anymore,
Miguel.
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Following up to Mxsmanic

It's also exactly what increases humidity in the room. The more sweat
that evaporates from your body, the higher the humidity gets, and the
harder it is to keep cool through evaporation of sweat (because it
evaporates more and more slowly as room humidity increases). This
creates a vicious circle of ever-increasing sweat and discomfort,
until the room humidity reaches 100%, at which point no amount of
sweating will provide any cooling at all, no matter how powerful the
fan. Heat exhaustion or heatstroke will often be a risk before this
point is reached, however.

so windows haven't been invented in France, funny they have the
words "ouvre la fenetre" (or something similar).
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Following up to Mxsmanic

Without air conditioning, you sit and sweat in a room with or without
ventilation.

Psst windows can be opened, take a class.

Opening windows and getting air to move through them are two different
things.

try a fan, idiot.
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Following up to Mxsmanic

In hot weather, it doesn't matter, since the air is hot both inside
and out.

you're argument is about humidity, remember?
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Mxsmanic wrote:
mrtravel writes:


If you put a fan in the window, you can then have air move in or out,
depending on a combination of blade direction and shape.


In hot weather, it doesn't matter, since the air is hot both inside
and out.


Really?

Are you under the impression that the temperature inside and outside a
building, without a heater or A/C is always the same?

Do you know what a greenhouse is?
Do you think it is possible that the glass windows on buildings may
cause a similar effect? What about the number of people in a building.
Would a building get warmer or colder if you add people?

What about the shading effect of the being inside of a building? Is that
no benefit, when compared to being in direct sunlight?

So, are you now saying that air movement has no benefit in reducing
comfort levels?

The Reid wrote:
Following up to Miguel Cruz
which has supposedly been rapidly saturated

"supposedly" I cant understand why you dont post here anymore,
Miguel.

Funny, after just two days of reading mxsmanic's greasy twisty
argumentation, the reasons are coming back to me all too quickly!

miguel
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