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how to drive from Bronx to Manhattan First Avenue
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 26, 4:16?pm, Slim wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love a nice train ride up the Hudson or out to Montauk, but ?there is the added value of being able to control your environment and company while driving that just aren't possible on the train. Actually, one has MORE control when taking the train as compared to driving in congested areas. I've driven that route and it is often JAMMED with traffic. Motorists sitting in a traffic jam have NO "control over their environment". They can not stand up and stretch. They can not pee. They can not take a nap. They can not cease staring at the tail lights in front of them less traffic begin to move. They have to breath fumes from all the other stuck cars. They have to listen to screaming motorists and horns. Admittedly in the really bad traffic jams people get out and start up card games. But even you are not "controlling your company", your card partners are whoever happens to be handy. Further, even when traffic in that area is moving, drivers are very aggressive. Volume is high. There is a "competition" going on over who exits first. Driving there is not for the faint of heart or ill tempered. It is not relaxing. I agree completely. I used to commute into NYC on a commuter bus from Rockland County. Every now and then there was a terrible traffic situation, and I knew I was going to be late for work. It may sound unlikely but I used to be extremely happy that I wasn't driving, because I knew that if I were driving, the traffic would create terrible pressure on me and make me press and take risks to speed up the ride. Not being in control was a wonderful benefit, because it relaxed me enormously. Similarly, I've come into the city in the middle of rush hour and arrived as fast as if I'd arrived at 2am. I was using the subway system, immune to the traffic. |
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how to drive from Bronx to Manhattan First Avenue
On 2009-09-26 18:16:31 -0400, AZ Nomad said:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 26, 4:16?pm, Slim wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love a nice train ride up the Hudson or out to Montauk, but ?there is the added value of being able to control your environment and company while driving that just aren't possible on the train. Actually, one has MORE control when taking the train as compared to driving in congested areas. I've driven that route and it is often JAMMED with traffic. Motorists sitting in a traffic jam have NO "control over their environment". They can not stand up and stretch. They can not pee. They can not take a nap. They can not cease staring at the tail lights in front of them less traffic begin to move. They have to breath fumes from all the other stuck cars. They have to listen to screaming motorists and horns. Admittedly in the really bad traffic jams people get out and start up card games. But even you are not "controlling your company", your card partners are whoever happens to be handy. Further, even when traffic in that area is moving, drivers are very aggressive. Volume is high. There is a "competition" going on over who exits first. Driving there is not for the faint of heart or ill tempered. It is not relaxing. I agree completely. I used to commute into NYC on a commuter bus from Rockland County. Every now and then there was a terrible traffic situation, and I knew I was going to be late for work. It may sound unlikely but I used to be extremely happy that I wasn't driving, because I knew that if I were driving, the traffic would create terrible pressure on me and make me press and take risks to speed up the ride. Not being in control was a wonderful benefit, because it relaxed me enormously. Similarly, I've come into the city in the middle of rush hour and arrived as fast as if I'd arrived at 2am. I was using the subway system, immune to the traffic. While that is possible, its highly unlikely as there are far fewer trains at 2:00am than at rush hour. PLUS there are the repair delays to deal with. -- "A nickel isn't worth a dime today." - Y. Berra |
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:18:15 -0400, Slim wrote:
On 2009-09-26 18:16:31 -0400, AZ Nomad said: On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 26, 4:16?pm, Slim wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love a nice train ride up the Hudson or out to Montauk, but ?there is the added value of being able to control your environment and company while driving that just aren't possible on the train. Actually, one has MORE control when taking the train as compared to driving in congested areas. I've driven that route and it is often JAMMED with traffic. Motorists sitting in a traffic jam have NO "control over their environment". They can not stand up and stretch. They can not pee. They can not take a nap. They can not cease staring at the tail lights in front of them less traffic begin to move. They have to breath fumes from all the other stuck cars. They have to listen to screaming motorists and horns. Admittedly in the really bad traffic jams people get out and start up card games. But even you are not "controlling your company", your card partners are whoever happens to be handy. Further, even when traffic in that area is moving, drivers are very aggressive. Volume is high. There is a "competition" going on over who exits first. Driving there is not for the faint of heart or ill tempered. It is not relaxing. I agree completely. I used to commute into NYC on a commuter bus from Rockland County. Every now and then there was a terrible traffic situation, and I knew I was going to be late for work. It may sound unlikely but I used to be extremely happy that I wasn't driving, because I knew that if I were driving, the traffic would create terrible pressure on me and make me press and take risks to speed up the ride. Not being in control was a wonderful benefit, because it relaxed me enormously. Similarly, I've come into the city in the middle of rush hour and arrived as fast as if I'd arrived at 2am. I was using the subway system, immune to the traffic. While that is possible, its highly unlikely as there are far fewer trains at 2:00am than at rush hour. If you're going to be so ****ing anal about it, then you're right. I'd arrive FASTER during rush hour than if I'd taken the train at 2am. |
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how to drive from Bronx to Manhattan First Avenue
On Sep 28, 10:16*pm, Slim wrote:
Motorists sitting in a traffic jam have NO "control over their environment". I control the temperature and whats on the radio. Except when it was a very hot day and the car a/c is struggling to keep up with the beating sun and heat from all the other cars surrounding you. Except when a car nearby is blasting their super sized stereo, drowning out anything you're attempting to listen to. Except when other passengers don't like what you want to listen. On a new you can use your headphones and be selective. They can not stand up and stretch. I take a break every two hours or so when I am on the road. Not if you're locked in traffic and can't get off to take a break. They can not pee. See the above. Older people and people with certain ailments have to 'go' more often. They can not take a nap. You shouldn't do that on a bike, blades or skateboard either. But we're talking about the train. Where you can take a nap. They can not cease staring at the tail lights in front of them less traffic begin to move. I always have alternate routes planned. For example, LIE jammed? Take the Northern Parkway. That will be jammed too. |
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how to drive from Bronx to Manhattan First Avenue
On Sep 29, 4:41*pm, Slim wrote:
If you are lucky enough to catch a train entering a station at 2am there won't be a problem, but since there is a longer wait between trains at that hour its reasonable to assume that it will take you longer. I tried driving at 2 am. Well, guess what! That's when they do road construction! Lanes closed, traffic jammed up! |
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... On Sep 29, 4:41 pm, Slim wrote: We have decided to rent car from Boston. Drive the scenic Connecticut SR 196 to Hartford. Have our business meeting next morning. Return the rental car there. Take the Greyhound direct to Manhattant. Becuase if we take the train, we will need to change train at New Haven. Train will be nearly an hour longer and cost twice as much. Thank you for all your advices. |
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how to drive from Bronx to Manhattan First Avenue
On Sep 30, 8:50*am, "ArbH" wrote:
Take the Greyhound direct to Manhattan. Doesn't that take you to the Port Authority Bus Terminal? If so, that is a long way from your original destination of Park Avenue. Depending on the circumstances, going cross town can be surprisingly challenging. If you have luggage, you probably will want to take a cab rather than walking or taking a city bus. If I were going somewhere on Park Avenue close to Grand Central Terminal, I would choose the train over the Greyhound bus even it it did cost more. |
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