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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual statesimmediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates. Washington Post UPDATED: Cuccinelli to file suit 'as soon as the ink is dry' on health- care signature A spokesman for Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli said Sunday evening that he has already prepared his court filings challenging the constitutionality of the health-care reform measure that just now passed the House. According to spokesman Brian Gottstein, Cuccinelli will file suit on behalf of the Commonwealth in the Eastern District of Virginia "as soon as the ink is dry" on President Obama's signature on the bill. Cuccinelli, who has filed suit against the EPA challenging the agency's regulation of greenhouse gases, has been the most vocal of several Republican attorneys general who have promised to sue over health care. Just over a week ago, Virginia became the first state in the country to pass a state law making it illegal for the government to require an individual to purchase health insurance, a key element of the bill. UPDATE 11:35 p.m.: Why file so quickly? Gottstein: "It's more cost efficient to start the process of challenging the bill as soon as possible. There are significant costs in implementing the health care law, so if it is going to be found unconstitutional, then we can save taxpayer money and trouble by making that determination sooner rather than later." By Rosalind Helderman | March 21, 2010; 8:18 PM ET New York Times Headline: Legal and Political Fights Loom for Democrats By JEFF ZELENY and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG Published: March 21, 201 Excerpt: "...The politics of health care are fragile — and far from certain — in the eight-month midterm campaign that will determine which party will control Congress next year. But both sides steeled for a fight to extend well beyond November, involving state legislative battles, court challenges and, ultimately, the next presidential race...." |
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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual statesimmediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
On Mar 22, 7:22*am, "Tis Odonovan, Himself" wrote:
Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates. Washington Post UPDATED: Cuccinelli to file suit 'as soon as the ink is dry' on health- care signature A spokesman for Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli said Sunday evening that he has already prepared his court filings challenging the constitutionality of the health-care reform measure that just now passed the House. According to spokesman Brian Gottstein, Cuccinelli will file suit on behalf of the Commonwealth in the Eastern District of Virginia "as soon as the ink is dry" on President Obama's signature on the bill. Cuccinelli, who has filed suit against the EPA challenging the agency's regulation of greenhouse gases, has been the most vocal of several Republican attorneys general who have promised to sue over health care. Just over a week ago, Virginia became the first state in the country to pass a state law making it illegal for the government to require an individual to purchase health insurance, a key element of the bill. UPDATE 11:35 p.m.: Why file so quickly? Gottstein: "It's more cost efficient to start the process of challenging the bill as soon as possible. There are significant costs in implementing the health care law, so if it is going to be found unconstitutional, then we can save taxpayer money and trouble by making that determination sooner rather than later." By Rosalind Helderman *| *March 21, 2010; 8:18 PM ET New York Times Headline: Legal and Political Fights Loom for Democrats By JEFF ZELENY and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG Published: March 21, 201 Excerpt: "...The politics of health care are fragile — and far from certain — in the eight-month midterm campaign that will determine which party will control Congress next year. But both sides steeled for a fight to extend well beyond November, involving state legislative battles, court challenges and, ultimately, the next presidential race...." As the whole nation watched the bill being passed, they are going to sue who? Explain who they are going to sue? |
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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
"Tis Odonovan, Himself" wrote in news:d24e4fb6-0829-
: Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates. From the same people who whine about "fivilous lawsuits", too...... |
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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual statesimmediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
On 22/03/10 14:13, in article
, "Mitchell Holman" wrote: Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates. From the same people who whine about "fivilous lawsuits", too...... With a reactionary court anything can happens. Anybody who hands over campaign financing to big money is reliable to do similar things in other areas. |
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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
Obama has a Yankee regiment, composed of African Americans, ready to march
to Richmond,burn it to the ground and hang all those confederate traitors,men,women,children, and babies they were warned in 1865 "Tis Odonovan, Himself" wrote in message ... Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates. Washington Post UPDATED: Cuccinelli to file suit 'as soon as the ink is dry' on health- care signature A spokesman for Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli said Sunday evening that he has already prepared his court filings challenging the constitutionality of the health-care reform measure that just now passed the House. According to spokesman Brian Gottstein, Cuccinelli will file suit on behalf of the Commonwealth in the Eastern District of Virginia "as soon as the ink is dry" on President Obama's signature on the bill. Cuccinelli, who has filed suit against the EPA challenging the agency's regulation of greenhouse gases, has been the most vocal of several Republican attorneys general who have promised to sue over health care. Just over a week ago, Virginia became the first state in the country to pass a state law making it illegal for the government to require an individual to purchase health insurance, a key element of the bill. UPDATE 11:35 p.m.: Why file so quickly? Gottstein: "It's more cost efficient to start the process of challenging the bill as soon as possible. There are significant costs in implementing the health care law, so if it is going to be found unconstitutional, then we can save taxpayer money and trouble by making that determination sooner rather than later." By Rosalind Helderman | March 21, 2010; 8:18 PM ET New York Times Headline: Legal and Political Fights Loom for Democrats By JEFF ZELENY and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG Published: March 21, 201 Excerpt: "...The politics of health care are fragile — and far from certain — in the eight-month midterm campaign that will determine which party will control Congress next year. But both sides steeled for a fight to extend well beyond November, involving state legislative battles, court challenges and, ultimately, the next presidential race...." |
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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual statesimmediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
On Mar 22, 7:22*am, "Tis Odonovan, Himself" wrote:
Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates. Washington Post UPDATED: Cuccinelli to file suit 'as soon as the ink is dry' on health- care signature A spokesman for Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli said Sunday evening that he has already prepared his court filings challenging the constitutionality of the health-care reform measure that just now passed the House. According to spokesman Brian Gottstein, Cuccinelli will file suit on behalf of the Commonwealth in the Eastern District of Virginia "as soon as the ink is dry" on President Obama's signature on the bill. Cuccinelli, who has filed suit against the EPA challenging the agency's regulation of greenhouse gases, has been the most vocal of several Republican attorneys general who have promised to sue over health care. Just over a week ago, Virginia became the first state in the country to pass a state law making it illegal for the government to require an individual to purchase health insurance, a key element of the bill. UPDATE 11:35 p.m.: Why file so quickly? Gottstein: "It's more cost efficient to start the process of challenging the bill as soon as possible. There are significant costs in implementing the health care law, so if it is going to be found unconstitutional, then we can save taxpayer money and trouble by making that determination sooner rather than later." By Rosalind Helderman *| *March 21, 2010; 8:18 PM ET New York Times Headline: Legal and Political Fights Loom for Democrats By JEFF ZELENY and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG Published: March 21, 201 Excerpt: "...The politics of health care are fragile — and far from certain — in the eight-month midterm campaign that will determine which party will control Congress next year. But both sides steeled for a fight to extend well beyond November, involving state legislative battles, court challenges and, ultimately, the next presidential race...." Theya re not suing anyone you idiot. They are challanging the legality of the bill. Undoubtdely, this one will go all the up to SCOTUS. Jigsaw |
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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual statesimmediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
.. On Mar 22, 12:05*pm, Earl Evleth wrote: Two Supreme Court rulings affirmed the constitutionality of the Social Security Act. Consistent with when the Federal Income Tax became constitutionally legal earlier but only through constitutional amendment. These unconstitutional healthcare mandates the Obamaoids are trying to jam through are very different. ".. Prior to 1913, it was a fact that the Federal government could not tax us the way it now does. The Founding Fathers (in their wisdom) provided in Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution that if the Federal government was to levy a direct tax (like an income tax) on its citizens, the amount of the tax would have to be the same citizen by citizen. In other words, the Founding Fathers were saying that all of us, as U.S. citizens, have the same constitutional rights and obligations. If the government is to extract an obligation from us in the form of a tax, that tax should also be equal in amount. Therefore, the U.S. Constitution, as originally written, did not authorize the Federal government to tax us on variable factors such as our income. We literally had to amend the Constitution to permit the Federal government to income tax us as they now do. In 1913, more than two- thirds of the States and Congress voted into law the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Sixteenth Amendment authorizes the Federal government to tax "income from any source derived." In light of the incredibly broad breath of the Sixteenth Amendment (that we were stupid enough as a people to authorize), it is hard to give any credence to tax protester groups who claim the income tax is unconstitutional. Incidentally, a fascinating footnote to this discussion is the fact that the promoters of the Sixteenth Amendment got it through the state ratification process with the following "class envy" pitch: the Federal income tax will only tax the extremely rich and not the middle- class. As always happens, this "nail the rich guys" angle has backfired on the common man and woman with the result that the original 1913 income tax has grown from 9 to over 7,000 pages of statutory law and has significantly gotten into the back pockets of a majority of Americans...." source: http://preview.tinyurl.com/81d4zEvleths Of course if you recall the Dred Scott decision some of the dictators in black robes calling themeselves Supreme Court Justices will sometimes "interpret" the law to conform to a political agenda or "interpret" law in anyway in order to preserve the "unity" or "stability" of the country. |
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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual statesimmediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
On Mar 22, 9:05*am, Earl Evleth wrote:
On 22/03/10 16:45, in article , "Jigsaw1695" wrote: Two Supreme Court rulings affirmed the constitutionality of the Social Security Act. * * * Steward Machine Company v. Davis, 301 U.S, 548[22] (1937) held, in a 5*4 decision, that, given the exigencies of the Great Depression, "[It] is too late today for the argument to be heard with tolerance that in a crisis so extreme the use of the moneys of the nation to relieve the unemployed and their dependents is a use for any purpose narrower than the promotion of the general welfare". The arguments opposed to the Social Security Act (articulated by justices Butler, McReynolds, and Sutherland in their opinions) were that the social security act went beyond the powers that were granted to the federal government in the Constitution. They argued that, by imposing a tax on employers that could be avoided only by contributing to a state unemployment-compensation fund, the federal government was essentially forcing each state to establish an unemployment-compensation fund that would meet its criteria, and that the federal government had no power to enact such a program. * * * Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 (1937), decided on the same day as Steward, upheld the program because "The proceeds of both [employee and employer] taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal-revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way". That is, the Social Security Tax was constitutional as a mere exercise of Congress's general taxation powers. You clearly don't understand the merits of the various challenges. This challenge is not like Social Security... it is not a tax. Rather, the federal government is requiring you to purchase a good or service from a third party. Additionally, the Constitution requires that both houses of Congress act on the bill in the same manner... that is not the case here the voting procedure was different. Instead of getting legitimate reform, we will now have a bill that will be tied up in the courts for years and years. But what is most shocking, that in the more than 2000 pages of this bill... it doesn't even spell out the benefit... it defines three levels of insurance... but those will be defined later by some "panel". That is shameful. jay Mon Mar 22, 2010 |
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Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states immediately prepares court challenge to legality of ObamaCare mandates.
Virginia among several dozen possible other individual states...
There would be precisely four dozen plus one "possible other individual states." I have no idea how many non-individual states might act. UPDATED: Cuccinelli to file suit 'as soon as the ink is dry' on health- care signature ... Cuccinelli himself has stated that he expects the suit to be symbolic, and to produce no useful results. -- Larry (in VA) |
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