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Old April 23rd, 2004, 09:27 PM
Sjoerd
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?

As far as I know, there are no airlines (or perhaps very few?) that do
intra-European scheduled flights on large planes such as B747, B777, A330 or
A340. On the other hand, in Asia it is very normal that short to medium
distance flights are performed on these larger aircraft. I am not sure about
North and South America, Africa and Australia, but believe that most short
to medium range flights (say: flights shorter than 5 hours) in that region
are also on smaller aircraft.

Why the difference in the aircraft used between continents?

Sjoerd




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Old April 23rd, 2004, 09:57 PM
Not the Karl Orff
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In article ,
"Sjoerd" wrote:

As far as I know, there are no airlines (or perhaps very few?) that do
intra-European scheduled flights on large planes such as B747, B777, A330 or
A340. On the other hand, in Asia it is very normal that short to medium


Costs too much especially if you can't guarantee the a/c will be filled
enough almost all the time. In Asia, you notonly have huge population
catchment areas but also enough demand (helps when there are no viable
alternatives such as rail/bus/LCCs in Europe) to takeaway from filling
the planes.

At any rate, CX is suffering from low yields and holes in demand.
They're selling HKG-SIN r/t for just HKD 990 (about USD $130) to fill up
some of the flights. Apparently part of the strategy is to also ward
off coming LCC competition on that route. I wonder what the future for
Asian airlines beholds when discount carriers start to bite into their
market.

distance flights are performed on these larger aircraft. I am not sure about
North and South America, Africa and Australia, but believe that most short
to medium range flights (say: flights shorter than 5 hours) in that region
are also on smaller aircraft.


Most airlines here still use small a/c. The large a/c , when used, are
generally continuations of international flights.

Why the difference in the aircraft used between continents?


very few domestic flights in Asia. Most airlines who have domestic
flights have small a/c for these flights and large a/c for international
flights. MH for example uses 737s for internal flights and 777/744 for
international and mostly 330s for regional flights. TG is the same
except it has some A300/310s for more popular domestic routes. Chinese
airlines are starting to buy fleets of single aisle a/c for domestic
flights. Of course the japanese airlines (well, at least NH) also has a
fleet of single-aisle a/c for less popular domestic flights.
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Old April 23rd, 2004, 10:59 PM
freeda
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?

As far as I know, there are no airlines (or perhaps very few?) that do
intra-European scheduled flights on large planes such as B747, B777, A330

or
A340. On the other hand, in Asia it is very normal that short to medium
distance flights are performed on these larger aircraft. I am not sure

about
North and South America, Africa and Australia, but believe that most short
to medium range flights (say: flights shorter than 5 hours) in that region
are also on smaller aircraft.

Why the difference in the aircraft used between continents?


The largest I have seen lately is an A321 between the longer European
routes and an LH A310 between LHR and FRA.
But, a few years ago, before 'EuroTunnel', most flights between LHR and CDG
used to be 767's


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Old April 23rd, 2004, 11:11 PM
Not the Karl Orff
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?

In article ,
"freeda" wrote:

The largest I have seen lately is an A321 between the longer European
routes and an LH A310 between LHR and FRA.
But, a few years ago, before 'EuroTunnel', most flights between LHR and CDG
used to be 767's


Heck, BA used to run L-1011s on that route.
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Old April 23rd, 2004, 11:47 PM
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:27:17 +0200, Sjoerd wrote:

As far as I know, there are no airlines (or perhaps very few?) that do
intra-European scheduled flights on large planes such as B747, B777, A330 or
A340. On the other hand, in Asia it is very normal that short to medium
distance flights are performed on these larger aircraft. I am not sure about
North and South America, Africa and Australia, but believe that most short
to medium range flights (say: flights shorter than 5 hours) in that region
are also on smaller aircraft.

Why the difference in the aircraft used between continents?


Trying to provoke JF and the apologists of our favorite White Elephant?
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Old April 23rd, 2004, 11:53 PM
Not the Karl Orff
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?

In article ,
devil wrote:

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:27:17 +0200, Sjoerd wrote:

As far as I know, there are no airlines (or perhaps very few?) that do
intra-European scheduled flights on large planes such as B747, B777, A330 or
A340. On the other hand, in Asia it is very normal that short to medium
distance flights are performed on these larger aircraft. I am not sure about
North and South America, Africa and Australia, but believe that most short
to medium range flights (say: flights shorter than 5 hours) in that region
are also on smaller aircraft.

Why the difference in the aircraft used between continents?


Trying to provoke JF and the apologists of our favorite White Elephant?


Nah, I think he, Nik, JF and AJC genuinely believe that big is beautiful.
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Old April 24th, 2004, 12:47 AM
Scott
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:59:30 +0100, "freeda"
wrote:

As far as I know, there are no airlines (or perhaps very few?) that do
intra-European scheduled flights on large planes such as B747, B777, A330

or
A340. On the other hand, in Asia it is very normal that short to medium
distance flights are performed on these larger aircraft. I am not sure

about
North and South America, Africa and Australia, but believe that most short
to medium range flights (say: flights shorter than 5 hours) in that region
are also on smaller aircraft.

Why the difference in the aircraft used between continents?


The largest I have seen lately is an A321 between the longer European
routes and an LH A310 between LHR and FRA.
But, a few years ago, before 'EuroTunnel', most flights between LHR and CDG
used to be 767's


3 years ago I rode in an A310 CPH-FRA.

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Old April 24th, 2004, 01:57 AM
Vitaly Shmatikov
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?

In article ,
freeda wrote:

The largest I have seen lately is an A321 between the longer European
routes and an LH A310 between LHR and FRA.


Aeroflot still uses big planes on some intra-European flights: A310
to LHR and CDG, even 777 to LHR several times a week. BA, too, uses
767 on one of their two LHR-DME flights.

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Old April 24th, 2004, 02:22 AM
MC
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?


"Sjoerd" wrote in message
...
As far as I know, there are no airlines (or perhaps very few?) that do
intra-European scheduled flights on large planes such as B747, B777, A330

or
A340. On the other hand, in Asia it is very normal that short to medium
distance flights are performed on these larger aircraft. I am not sure

about
North and South America, Africa and Australia, but believe that most short
to medium range flights (say: flights shorter than 5 hours) in that region
are also on smaller aircraft.

Why the difference in the aircraft used between continents?

Sjoerd



I think the largest are the 767 and A320 both of which I flew on a recent
trip to Hungary from th UK. One there and the other back.

MC


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Old April 24th, 2004, 06:20 PM
Martin Stahl
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Default Why no large planes on intra-European flights?


"freeda" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
As far as I know, there are no airlines (or perhaps very few?) that do
intra-European scheduled flights on large planes such as B747, B777, A330

or
A340. On the other hand, in Asia it is very normal that short to medium
distance flights are performed on these larger aircraft. I am not sure

about
North and South America, Africa and Australia, but believe that most short
to medium range flights (say: flights shorter than 5 hours) in that region
are also on smaller aircraft.

Why the difference in the aircraft used between continents?


The largest I have seen lately is an A321 between the longer European
routes and an LH A310 between LHR and FRA.
But, a few years ago, before 'EuroTunnel', most flights between LHR and CDG
used to be 767's


Lufthansa regularly uses A300 on some of its European and domestic routes.
Regularly, A300 is used from Frankfurt to Munich, Hamburg, and Berlin,
as well as often to Rom, Athens, London and other European cities.

Martin
 




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