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Flight MH370 carrying tonnes of "mangosteens" - and Li-Ion batteries?



 
 
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 01:12 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.travel.air,misc.consumers
Dan Rather
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Default Flight MH370 carrying tonnes of "mangosteens" - and Li-Ion batteries?

So MH370 was carring several tones of "mangosteens" ?

http://www.eantioxidantjuice.com/wp-...angosteen.jpeg

Mmmm yummy. Those look good.

But really - the CEO of the airline says the plane was carrying "tonnes
of mangosteens" - ?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Was there a load-shift in the cargo hold on take-off?

Were there Li-Ion batteries on the plane? Did they self-combust, or
were they damaged by a shift of cargo upon take off?

Are there no smoke detectors in the cargo hold?

Surely if there were detectors, they would have alerted the crew to
danger (and thus allow the crew to send out radio message) before comms
equipment became disabled.

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Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of
Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after
DENYING it

* When asked days ago, he said it was carrying 'tonnes of mangosteens'
* Li batteries have caused 140 mid-air incidents in last 20 years
* The devices are commonly used in mobile phones and laptops
* Classed as dangerous by The International Civil Aviation Organisation
* Reignites theory that flight may have crashed after on-board fire
* Expert said it re-affirm belief that flames started in cargo hold
* One cargo plane crashed in 2010 after attempting an emergency landing
* Battery caught fire and filled the flight deck with smoke

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...30_634x447.jpg

A long way south: The southern search zone is one of the most remote
places on Earth

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Two pieces of wreckage that are possibly from the missing Malaysian
Airlines Flight 370 - one estimated to be 78ft in size - have been found
to the west of Australia, it was announced today. Pictured: Satellite
pictures released by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority of the
object thought to be related to the search for MH370
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Malaysian Airlines today confirmed that flight MH370 had been carrying
highly flammable lithium-ion batteries in its cargo hold, re-igniting
speculation that a fire may have caused its disappearance.

The admission by CEO Ahmad Jauhari comes four days after he denied the
aircraft was carrying any dangerous items and nearly two weeks after the
plane went missing.

He said the authorities were investigating the cargo, but did not regard
the batteries as hazardous - despite the law dictating they are classed
as such - because they were packaged according to safety regulations.

The revelation has thrown the spotlight back on the theory that the
Boeing 777 may have been overcome by a fire, rendering the crew and
passengers unconscious after inhaling toxic fumes.

Lithium-ion batteries - which are used in mobile phones and laptops -
have been responsible for a number of fires on planes and have even
brought aircraft down in recent years.

According to US-based Federal Aviation Administration, lithium-ion
batteries carried in the cargo or baggage have been responsible for more
than 140 incidents between March 1991 and February 17 this year, it was
reported by Malaysiakini.

In rare cases, aircraft have been destroyed as a result of fires started
from the devices, although they have been cargo planes in both
incidents.

In one case, UPS Airlines Flight 6 crashed while attempting an emergency
landing in September 2010 en route from Dubai to Cologne in Germany.

Flight MH370 disappeared from radar screens two weeks ago on March 8
after taking off from Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing.

The second day of a new search, concentrating on a desolate area in the
southern Indian Ocean, failed to locate two possible pieces of debris
from the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777.

Aircraft and ships scoured the seas around 2,500 km off the coast of the
Australian city of Perth, for 10 hours before darkness fell. Australian
officials have vowed to continue the search tomorrow.

Billie Vincent, the former head of security for the U.S. Federal
Aviation Administration, said the revelation re-affirmed his belief that
flames started in the cargo hold, destroying the aircraft's
communication systems then filling the cabin with toxic fumes.

This, he says, would have overwhelmed the passengers but may have given
the pilots a chance to divert the aircraft for an emergency landing.

He told Air Traffic Management: 'The data released thus far most likely
points to a problem with hazardous materials.

This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the
cargo hold either improperly packaged or illegally shipped or both.'

It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent
believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the
controls properly.

Responding to a question at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur, Mr
Jauhari said: 'We carried some lithium-ion small batteries, they are
not big batteries and they are basically approved under the ICAO (The
International Civil Aviation Organisation) under dangerous goods.

'They (lithium-ion batteries) are not dangerous goods per se, but in
terms (of) they are (being) declared as dangerous goods under ICAO.'

He insisted they were checked several times to ensure they complied with
the guidelines.

'Airlines do that all the time, it is not just Malaysia Airlines. These
goods are being flown by many airlines as cargo anyway, (which) is based
on ICAOs ruling,' he added.

When asked earlier this week if there was hazardous cargo on board, Mr
Jauhari said no, adding that it was carrying 'three to four tonnes of
mangosteens'.

The United Arab Emirates General Civil Aviation Authority blamed the
crash, which killed the crew, on the batteries which it believed may
have 'auto-ignited' and filled the flight deck with smoke.

The batteries have also caused problems in the cabin including a flight
attendant and two passengers who were burned when they handled a mobile
phone and spare battery in September 2012.

Six months earlier, a lithium battery caught fire inside one passenger's
personal air purifier.

The incident prompted to the ICAO to introduce a new rule last year
stating that any cargo with more than two lithium-ion batteries be
packaged under hazardous goods regulations.

Malaysia Airlines has not responded to a call from MailOnline.

Today the transcript of the last communication between the flight deck
of the missing plane and ground control emerged.

The final 54 minutes of dialogue between Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah,
co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid and air traffic controllers is captured from
take off until the moment Hamid uttered the last message: 'Alright, good
night.'

Two minutes later the plane's transponder was disabled.

The transcript shows the moment the plane took an unexpected turn west,
over north Malaysia coincided with the point at which air traffic
controllers in Kuala Lumpur handed over to their Vietnamese colleagues
in Ho Chi Minh City.

Former British Airways pilot Stephen Buzdygan told The Telegraph, if he
was planning to steal an aeroplane, that would be the moment to choose.

He said: 'There might be a bit of dead space between the air traffic
controllers It was the only time during the flight they would maybe
not have been able to be seen from the ground.'

From the first sign-in at 12.36am local time, when the plane was on the
ground in Kuala Lumpur, co-pilot Hamid gave regular and routine updates,
alerting air traffic controllers to the plane's location, ascent and
altitude.

'The communication up until the plane went to the changeover [to
Vietnam] sounds totally normal,' Mr Mr Buzdygan said. 'Ive done it
hundreds of times. It is perfectly normal.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hly-flammable-
lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 05:18 PM posted to rec.travel.air
nam sak
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Default Flight MH370 carrying tonnes of "mangosteens" - and Li-Ion batteries?

I am getting to the point where I am beginning to hope they never find
out what happened to MH 370.

It just might give Malayians a big enough kick up their backsides to
start doing something about their ridiculous political system.

Why not just make the President of Singapore the President of
Malaysia? What difference would it make?

Democracy has never existed in Malaysia let alone died.






On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 09:12:22 -0400, Dan Rather
wrote:

So MH370 was carring several tones of "mangosteens" ?

http://www.eantioxidantjuice.com/wp-...angosteen.jpeg

Mmmm yummy. Those look good.

But really - the CEO of the airline says the plane was carrying "tonnes
of mangosteens" - ?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Was there a load-shift in the cargo hold on take-off?

Were there Li-Ion batteries on the plane? Did they self-combust, or
were they damaged by a shift of cargo upon take off?

Are there no smoke detectors in the cargo hold?

Surely if there were detectors, they would have alerted the crew to
danger (and thus allow the crew to send out radio message) before comms
equipment became disabled.

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Old March 22nd, 2014, 05:27 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Randy Hudson
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Default Flight MH370 carrying tonnes of "mangosteens" - and Li-Ion batteries?

In article ,
nam sak wrote:

Why not just make the President of Singapore the President of
Malaysia? What difference would it make?


There isn't enough commonality between their interests.

Remember that Singapore was part of Malaysia from 1963 to 1965, and left by
unanimous agreement, the only thing that Singapore and Malaysia had agreed
on all that time.

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Old March 23rd, 2014, 09:13 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Flight MH370 carrying tonnes of "mangosteens" - and Li-Ion batteries?

People should not get what they want. They should get what they need. And I know what Malaysia badly needs. It involves a size 10 and several sets of buttocks. And no that is not a reference to Anwar Ibrahim.

If Singapore was given control over Malaysia then Malaysia would be in a far better position than it is today. It would also likely solve the problem in southern Thailand.

Actually, come to think of it, if Indonesia was put in charge of Malaysia then it would be in a far better position than it is today. Compared to Malaysia Indonesia is a moderate, cosmopolitan paradise.

Then again if Postman Pat was put in charge of Malaysia it would be in a far better position so I guess my argument is pretty futile other than to say that what passes for 'democracy' is generally futile pretty much everywhere in the world not just Malaysia. It's just ผักชีโรยหน้า.

It is particularly futile where I live (UK) which would not know democracy if it bit it on the leg. At 50+ I am beginning to despair that I will never see democracy in my own country in my lifetime. So much for 'human rights'..

Anyway enough of my rant for today. Back to the search for MH 370.




On Saturday, 22 March 2014 17:27:40 UTC, Randy Hudson wrote:
In article ,



There isn't enough commonality between their interests.



Remember that Singapore was part of Malaysia from 1963 to 1965, and left by

unanimous agreement, the only thing that Singapore and Malaysia had agreed

on all that time.


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Old March 23rd, 2014, 02:31 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Bert[_2_]
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Default Flight MH370 carrying tonnes of "mangosteens" - and Li-Ion batteries?

In
" wrote:

People should not get what they want. They should get what they need.


And who gets to decide what they need?

And I know what Malaysia badly needs.


I see. And you're prepared to use force to make sure they get it?

...
At 50+ I am beginning to despair that I will never see democracy in my
own country in my lifetime.


Now, that's funny.

--
St. Paul, MN
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 06:07 PM posted to rec.travel.air
nam sak
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Default Flight MH370 carrying tonnes of "mangosteens" - and Li-Ion batteries?

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:31:23 +0000 (UTC), Bert
wrote:

In
" wrote:

People should not get what they want. They should get what they need.


And who gets to decide what they need?



Margaret Thatcher. Even as a corpse she would still be better than
any other option.


And I know what Malaysia badly needs.


I see. And you're prepared to use force to make sure they get it?


No more than they do every second of every minute of every hour of
every day.



...
At 50+ I am beginning to despair that I will never see democracy in my
own country in my lifetime.


Now, that's funny.



I have to agree with that. 65% of the electorate deciding almost 90%
of members of parliament. Any vote that is not for the winner in a
given constituency is just trashed. Absolutely hilarious. Apparently
it's called 'democracy'. How we all laughed.
 




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