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Travelling to Rio
Dear Mr. Pan,
P E T E R P A N wrote: You call the initial post below by this dumb loser Kurko a mild comment? I hate to know what would be considered rude and offensive by Brazilians! Let me see: there was only one f-word, one comment regarding the wisdom of your behavior, and a suggestion regarding your participation in the genetic pool. No mention of race, sexual orientation or capacity, Hitler, graphic obscenity, profanity or blasphemy, and no mention to your parents, grandparents or (at least in the initial post) your whole culture and nationality. For Usenet? oh, yes, it is mild. Insulting, but mildly so. I posted the bad experience to warn other tourists from running into the same problem! This stupid jerk Kurko blamed the whole incident on me, the victim, instead of the muggers! Is that how Brazilians approach life? Is that fair? I think we had already established that Mr. Kurko is not Brazilian. And pointing risky behavior is NOT the same as blaming the victim. My husband was once robbed in Torino of all his money, after letting his wallet on a table for a couple of minutes, while talking to a friend. Of course the thief is the guilty part, but knowing this did not prevent my husband from feeling, as Mr. Kurko would put it, “a stupid ****” for not paying enough attention to his wallet. Regarding your intentions in posting your bad experience, well, I would rather not to comment on that. People are free to read the post and take their conclusions. (snip) Did you see any constructive suggestions from these dumb, nasty jerks Kurko and JohnM on how the crimes and threats levels in Rio can be reduced? Or are they just trying to shut me up and cover up the crimes situation in Rio like they are losing their money and their pride big time because of my posts? Again, neither Mr. Kurko nor JohnM are Brazilians—although I should point out that JohnM is the author of an excellent book on Brazil, much more revealing, thoughtful insights, with many more denounces about organized crime, denounces of inequality and wrongdoings, portraits of life in favelas, tourist traps, in Rio, São Paulo, Amazon, Recife, Rio Grande do Sul, Minas Gerais and many other places, than any of your posts. No, it is not a flattering book—not in the easy sense of the word—but it is very passionate. I am very disappointed in ignorant, dishonest, rude and abusive people like Kurko and JohnM. I am disappointed in you for siding with these 2 pieces of trash against the truth, and against my attempt to shine some light on this horrible crime problems in Rio, so some good can be done. Mr. Pan , I don’t understand how you can be possibly disappointed in me. I mean, I am one of those people among which you “found, through my own experience, some serious flaws of characters [in theBrazilian people in Rio]”, you know, one of those with “disturbingly bad attitudes [among various young, old, educated and wealthy Brazilians in Rio, Sao Paolo etc…]. What, I just found out that I am very likely to pee on the streets! (Hopefully, my mother will never know.) So I wonder how I can have brought you any disappointment, when your “opinions of Brazil and her people, after much reviews of the events, facts and rationalizations, to be honest, [are already] very low,” or as you put in another post, “that Brazil is a very unsafe, lawless place, populated by a lot of dumb savages” (that would be me) who “would p*ss on sidewalks and someone else' cars on the busy streets of Rio in broad day light, who should be removed from the gene pool!” Mostly Brazilians, according to you, can be characterized as “uncivilized jerks” [Mr. Kurko’s attitude--did I mentioned that he is not Brazilian?--is supposed to be “typical of many, if not the majority, Brazilians I encountered.”], and show a “lack of honesty [that] is the complete opposite of the people in Argentina and US!” We belong to “the country of dumb, unprincipled losers” and “some Brazilians and residents of Brazil do appear to have probably the worst, the most uncivil attitudes among the peoples I visited!” All of this in a quite ugly city/ country, as “the scenaries in Rio is [sic] much poorer than many places in North America, Europe, Asia, the Caribbean... Rio is full of homeless, undesirables people sleeping on the streets, watching tourists intensely for the opportunities to commit crimes!” What a terrible contrast with the “friendly, fun, warm, honest, civilized, law-abiding Americans!” Considering such low expectations, I can’t understand how I can have disappointed you. But you know what? I find out that I really don’t care. Neither do I care in engaging in discussions--about Brazil/Rio/Brazilians/whatever—with you. You are, of course, entitled to your views about Brazil/Rio/Brazilians/whatever. I am entitled to be selective regarding my interlocutors. If you believe that it is because I feel some kind of “deep shame” about myself and my society, “that prevent” me “from discussing some of these problems openly and honestly, at any level, emotional, intellectual or educational…” it is just too bad. I will, of course, thank you wholeheartedly for your very sincere intentions of shining “some light on this horrible crime problems in Rio [at the Usenet], so some good can be done”, as your “heart is for these poor people” in the favelas of Rio, for whom you have already manifested such warm feelings. Sincerely, Lise |
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