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Ooops. That's more than a dozen. All too easy.


Educate yourself.

Discover the difference between assertion and proof.

You educate yourself. The proof is in the observations that we can all
see. Open your eyes.

Funny how people demanded a list of countries where Capitalism works,
then when challenged to produce the list where Socialism works they
duck and run with little comments like you made above.

Sounds like an admission of loss to me.

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SNIP


Now let's make of list of countries that are converting to Capitalism
and the people are seeing an enormous benefit (they are better off now
than they were before): China, Indonesia, Thailand, Angola for
starters.

How about countries embracing Socialism and watching their economies
get killed and people hurt? Like France?

OK. Your turn. What Socialist countries have made their citizens lives
better? Your list, please?

John. Don't bother - he/she "Tchiowa", completely fails yet again, to
understand the transitory nature of international economics and politics.
God help us I say. I'm tempted to go on with this and quote Hoover pre 1929
but for now resist the temptation, for I am sure in the fullness of time it
will need to be stated on this ng

Translated to English you are saying that you really don't understand
what Capitalism and Socialism mean and how they affect people's lives
in the real world.

Don't quote Hoover or anyone else from previous centuries. Look at
people and the way they live *TODAY* to see the results of your
misconceived economic system.

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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Sounds like an admission of loss to me.


Ah, perceptions ....

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SNIP

understand the transitory nature of international economics and politics.
God help us I say. I'm tempted to go on with this and quote Hoover pre
1929
but for now resist the temptation, for I am sure in the fullness of time
it
will need to be stated on this ng

Translated to English you are saying that you really don't understand
what Capitalism and Socialism mean and how they affect people's lives
in the real world.

Don't quote Hoover or anyone else from previous centuries. Look at
people and the way they live *TODAY* to see the results of your
misconceived economic system.

I'll quote who I damm well like, thank you.

"Tchiowa", I don't think you are stupid, but I am beginning to wonder if
your insouciance is a pose ? Or again, you have it all figured out and what
is the use of fretting about the past and the future will look after itself
? St Mathew had something to say about this and it's worth a another look
Ch6 V28 to 34 and is very comforting in the larger scheme of things and
highly recommended.

Comments like yours - they live *TODAY* to see the results of your
misconceived economic system. - have, I am sad to say, echoes from the past
; somewhat recent (1987) and MANY times over previous Centuries. I hope for
your sake you survive the next onslaught on the *system* better than
millions before you.

Quoting you again - Translated to English you are saying that you really
don't understand
what Capitalism and Socialism etc - Some truth in that. But who does,
unless the whole history is evaluated and not just a tiny bit of it ?.

This really is the last time "Tchiowa", that reply to you on this issue.

DN

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understand the transitory nature of international economics and politics.
God help us I say. I'm tempted to go on with this and quote Hoover pre
1929
but for now resist the temptation, for I am sure in the fullness of time
it
will need to be stated on this ng

Translated to English you are saying that you really don't understand
what Capitalism and Socialism mean and how they affect people's lives
in the real world.

Don't quote Hoover or anyone else from previous centuries. Look at
people and the way they live *TODAY* to see the results of your
misconceived economic system.

I'll quote who I damm well like, thank you.

"Tchiowa", I don't think you are stupid, but I am beginning to wonder if
your insouciance is a pose ? Or again, you have it all figured out and what
is the use of fretting about the past and the future will look after itself
? St Mathew had something to say about this and it's worth a another look
Ch6 V28 to 34 and is very comforting in the larger scheme of things and
highly recommended.

No, it's much more simple than that. Capitalism and Socialism have
real life effects on real live people in the real world that we live
in. Debating over who said what in which century is completely
irrelevant to that reality.

Quoting you again - Translated to English you are saying that you really
don't understand what Capitalism and Socialism etc -
Some truth in that. But who does,
unless the whole history is evaluated and not just a tiny bit of it ?.

???? Who does? Everyone. At least everyone who wants to look at it.

You don't need to know the history of a system in order to know how it
works and how it affects people. Do you need to know the history of
the automobile to decide whether a Ford or Toyota is best for your
needs? Do you need to understand Bernoulli's Principle to know that
flying is safe? Or which airline to choose?

Your attempt at debating centuries old writings is nothing more than
an attempt to divert attention away from the real world.

I've been in Berkeley. Worked there for a while. Went to school there
for a while. I know the game.

This really is the last time "Tchiowa", that reply to you on this issue.

Not surprising. In the meantime, try looking at what Socialism did to
a billion Chinese and a quarter of a billion Russians and maybe you'll
begin to understand. The maybe you can reply to yourself.

Oh go and jump idiot


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understand the transitory nature of international economics and
politics.
God help us I say. I'm tempted to go on with this and quote Hoover
pre
1929
but for now resist the temptation, for I am sure in the fullness of
time
it
will need to be stated on this ng

Translated to English you are saying that you really don't understand
what Capitalism and Socialism mean and how they affect people's lives
in the real world.

Don't quote Hoover or anyone else from previous centuries. Look at
people and the way they live *TODAY* to see the results of your
misconceived economic system.

I'll quote who I damm well like, thank you.

"Tchiowa", I don't think you are stupid, but I am beginning to wonder
if
your insouciance is a pose ? Or again, you have it all figured out and
what
is the use of fretting about the past and the future will look after
itself
? St Mathew had something to say about this and it's worth a another
look
Ch6 V28 to 34 and is very comforting in the larger scheme of things and
highly recommended.

No, it's much more simple than that. Capitalism and Socialism have
real life effects on real live people in the real world that we live
in. Debating over who said what in which century is completely
irrelevant to that reality.

Quoting you again - Translated to English you are saying that you really
don't understand what Capitalism and Socialism etc -
Some truth in that. But who does,
unless the whole history is evaluated and not just a tiny bit of it ?.

???? Who does? Everyone. At least everyone who wants to look at it.

You don't need to know the history of a system in order to know how it
works and how it affects people. Do you need to know the history of
the automobile to decide whether a Ford or Toyota is best for your
needs? Do you need to understand Bernoulli's Principle to know that
flying is safe? Or which airline to choose?

Your attempt at debating centuries old writings is nothing more than
an attempt to divert attention away from the real world.

I've been in Berkeley. Worked there for a while. Went to school there
for a while. I know the game.

This really is the last time "Tchiowa", that reply to you on this issue.

Not surprising. In the meantime, try looking at what Socialism did to
a billion Chinese and a quarter of a billion Russians and maybe you'll
begin to understand. The maybe you can reply to yourself.

"Matt" wrote in message ...
Oh go and jump idiot

Well, that response tells us a lot about the intelligence level of
those supporting Socialism, doesn't it?

5555555555555

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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SNIP


Your attempt at debating centuries old writings is nothing more than
an attempt to divert attention away from the real world.

This really is the last time "Tchiowa", that reply to you on this issue.

Not surprising. In the meantime, try looking at what Socialism did to
a billion Chinese and a quarter of a billion Russians and maybe you'll
begin to understand. The maybe you can reply to yourself.

What am I to do with you "Tchiowa" ?

The work of the Worlds Philosophers is a waste of time then, eh? We , ooops,
you, can't benefit from their work is what you are really saying, although
you may not be conscious of this.

So, if it is convenient to quote the billions of Chinese and Russians who
suffered, why is it not convenient to examine the untold billions who have
died before them, world wide, and try and understand why? You see, all you
are doing is cutting the cake of history, into thin slices, thence claim to
understand the 'isms. ALL economic and political systems have made
contributions to the billions of people you refer too.

You see "Tchiowa", I attempted and failed, to draw you out from your glib
political slogans and the "real world" you so fondly embrace, to a much
larger canvas, which remains unfinished yet and which, if we are not
careful, be finished with more blood on the canvas.

I think about the future. I live in the present. I have a great deal of
respect for what recorded history has taught us. I am pessimistic how world
leaders handle the information gained from history and surprised how they
largely go unchallenged. And that "Tchiowa" is a very dangerous state to
live in, now or in the future.Count your self lucky having thus far, gone
unscathed.

DN

And the way you have been carrying on tells everyone
to kill file you name or put up with the biggest load of
dribble I have heard in quite a while and that really says it.
Why dont you go to some more appropriate group if you
want to carry on with that thread an dyou load of crap.
Freda

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"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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"Matt" wrote in message
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Oh go and jump idiot

Well, that response tells us a lot about the intelligence level of
those supporting Socialism, doesn't it?

5555555555555

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:44:03 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

Do you need to understand Bernoulli's Principle to know that
flying is safe? Or which airline to choose?

No, and anyway it's a gross oversimplification. But spelling his name
right might help. :-)

Not surprising. In the meantime, try looking at what Socialism did to
a billion Chinese and a quarter of a billion Russians and maybe you'll
begin to understand. The maybe you can reply to yourself.

Actually, in both cases, one might build a case to the effect that it
served them quite well.

Particularly for China, the peasant leader Mao and his peasant rebellion
(in the best Chinese tradition BTW) certainly helped rebuild a country
that had been mired in a hopeless civil war, torn between small time
warlords and their presonal interests. Make no mistake, without Mao,
China would be much much worse today. Not htat this has much to do with
socialism, except to the effect that they used the label.

Russia is more controversial. Still, before 1917, Russia was a mediaval
backwater. And the fall of the soviet regime was precipitated by the cold
war and the incapacity of the relatively poor country that Russia was (and
always had been) to compete on military spending.

Futhermore, it's not that now that Russia is no longer socialist it is now
significantly better. Most problems are structural and cultural. Largely
orthogonal to the ideology of the day.