san francisco from SFO

David & Barbara Schmidt wrote:
I never said I was an expert.

Nor have I. Some, however, might believe that I might be.

I was just trying to share my experience.

The trains/cable cars run throughout the city

You could not possibly have experienced that here since the '40s.

The California Street Cable Car DOES go to Van Ness Avenue. Well,
about fifty feet from it.

You could not possibly have experienced the California Street Cable
Car NOT going to Van Ness Avenue since the inception of the line.

so that would be a lot of walking on those hilly streets.

Hilly streets? Van Ness Avenue? Well, maybe the last two blocks going
down to Aquatic Park but there are no hotels on those blocks.

We were there last Summer for the 4th of July and had a delightful
time.

Your visit demonstrably made you a non-authority.

I don't know where you call home but I wouldn't presume to make
comments about it such as you've made about my home.
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Un San Francisqueño en San Francisco.
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ - http://geocities.com/iconoc/
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Icono Clast's self-importance has made it actually believe:

David & Barbara Schmidt wrote:
With [six] people and a Grandma, I would set up riding in a
shuttle van.

I'd be inclined to try to negotiate a price of about $50. If money's
the concern, the obvious is to take BART. Although I don't know, I
believe you can get a transfer that will be good on an electric bus
up Van Ness Avenue to your hotel. The Jack Tar/Cathedral Hlll's on
the other side of the street. The Holiday Inn's on the side you'll be.

Contact your hotel and they should be able to set it up for you.

The trains/cable cars run throughout the city

They do? News t'me!

but don't go right up to Van Ness,

The California Street Cable Car DOES go to Van Ness Avenue. Well,
about fifty feet from it.

so that would be a lot of walking on those hilly streets.

Hilly streets? Van Ness Avenue? Well, maybe the last two blocks going
down to Aquatic Park but there are no hotels on those blocks.

I get a real kicker out of "Icono Clast" as it so SELF-convinced that it
knows all the (WHEW!) "secrets" about "ESSEFF" but the big cracker (note
the pun) is that "Icono Clast" is NOTHING more than another arriver into
"ESSEFF" that goes on to "discover" "ALL" the "GREAT" "THINGS" about "ALL
OF" "ESSEFF" and then goes on to tell everyone that "Icono Clast" "KNOWS
ALL" about "EVERYTHING" about "ESSEFF"......

BUT the PATHETIC thing about "Icono Clast" is NOTHING more than a
pre-dotcom carpetbagger.......go to "Icono Clast"'s website: The "SEE IT
ALL" sites in "Icono Clast"'s website says all there needs to be known
about how well "Icono Clast" "knows" about the REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

HERE'S A HINT "Icono Clast": San Bruno; San Jose, Brazil, Persia, Russia,
Moscow, Athens, Geneva, Phelan, Miraloma, Plymouth, Broad, Onondaga,
Cayuga, ALEMANY, Bosworth, Chenery, Cutler, La Playa, Noreiga, Balboa,
Fulton,........ though it must really be nice to THINK that YOU know
everything and anything there is to know about SF as shown by your "trust
me this IS IT ABOUT ESSEFF" website.....

BTW: SURELY YOU KNOW THIS: "Hilly streets? Van Ness Avenue? Well, maybe
the last two blocks going
down to Aquatic Park...."...... WRONG: Van Ness from Golden Gate to
O'Farrell.

HERE'S ANOTHER HINT "Icono Clast": ride a bike (BICYCLE) in "ESSEFF" and
you will find out what consitutes "hills" and ESPECIALLY with a bicycle
you will find THE REAL SAN FRANCISCO.






We were there last Summer for the 4th of July and had a delightful
time.

Your visit demonstrably made you a non-authority.
__________________________________________________ _________________
Un San Francisqueño en San Francisco.
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ - http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 --- IClast at SFbay Net

SlipperySlope wrote:

Put down the bong, dude...or at least put some new water in it...

--
Best
Greg


Icono Clast's self-importance has made it actually believe:

David & Barbara Schmidt wrote:
With [six] people and a Grandma, I would set up riding in a
shuttle van.

I'd be inclined to try to negotiate a price of about $50. If money's
the concern, the obvious is to take BART. Although I don't know, I
believe you can get a transfer that will be good on an electric bus
up Van Ness Avenue to your hotel. The Jack Tar/Cathedral Hlll's on
the other side of the street. The Holiday Inn's on the side you'll be.

Contact your hotel and they should be able to set it up for you.

The trains/cable cars run throughout the city

They do? News t'me!

but don't go right up to Van Ness,

The California Street Cable Car DOES go to Van Ness Avenue. Well,
about fifty feet from it.

so that would be a lot of walking on those hilly streets.

Hilly streets? Van Ness Avenue? Well, maybe the last two blocks going
down to Aquatic Park but there are no hotels on those blocks.

I get a real kicker out of "Icono Clast" as it so SELF-convinced that it
knows all the (WHEW!) "secrets" about "ESSEFF" but the big cracker (note
the pun) is that "Icono Clast" is NOTHING more than another arriver into
"ESSEFF" that goes on to "discover" "ALL" the "GREAT" "THINGS" about "ALL
OF" "ESSEFF" and then goes on to tell everyone that "Icono Clast" "KNOWS
ALL" about "EVERYTHING" about "ESSEFF"......

BUT the PATHETIC thing about "Icono Clast" is NOTHING more than a
pre-dotcom carpetbagger.......go to "Icono Clast"'s website: The "SEE IT
ALL" sites in "Icono Clast"'s website says all there needs to be known
about how well "Icono Clast" "knows" about the REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

HERE'S A HINT "Icono Clast": San Bruno; San Jose, Brazil, Persia, Russia,
Moscow, Athens, Geneva, Phelan, Miraloma, Plymouth, Broad, Onondaga,
Cayuga, ALEMANY, Bosworth, Chenery, Cutler, La Playa, Noreiga, Balboa,
Fulton,........ though it must really be nice to THINK that YOU know
everything and anything there is to know about SF as shown by your "trust
me this IS IT ABOUT ESSEFF" website.....

BTW: SURELY YOU KNOW THIS: "Hilly streets? Van Ness Avenue? Well, maybe
the last two blocks going
down to Aquatic Park...."...... WRONG: Van Ness from Golden Gate to
O'Farrell.

HERE'S ANOTHER HINT "Icono Clast": ride a bike (BICYCLE) in "ESSEFF" and
you will find out what consitutes "hills" and ESPECIALLY with a bicycle
you will find THE REAL SAN FRANCISCO.






We were there last Summer for the 4th of July and had a delightful
time.

Your visit demonstrably made you a non-authority.
__________________________________________________ _________________
Un San Francisqueño en San Francisco.
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ - http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 --- IClast at SFbay Net

Rather than bitch about me, "SlipperySlope", point out the errors you
find on the "Don't-miss Sights in San Francisco" page
http://geocities.com/iconoc/Articles/Sights.html, at the site at
Right in the sig, and/or contribute its omissions. But please,
"SlipperySlope", if you find an error, tell about it here. If you
don't, we can safely presume that you could not find one as I believe
you won't. That would mean, of course, that the information on the
page is correct.

What you think might be wrong with me isn't relevant. If there's
something wrong with the information at the site, tell me and I'll
correct it. Something missing? I'll add it. A better site? I'll give
it a link. Simple, ¿no?

***

"SlipperySlope" wrote:
Icono Clast's self-importance has made it actually believe: I get
a real kicker out of "Icono Clast" as it so SELF-convinced that
it knows all the (WHEW!) "secrets" about "ESSEFF"

Noöne "knows all the (WHEW!) 'secrets' about" my home. Anyone who
makes that claim is to be doubted.

but the big cracker (note the pun) is that "Icono Clast" is
NOTHING more than another arriver into "ESSEFF" that goes on to
"discover" "ALL" the "GREAT" "THINGS" about "ALL OF" "ESSEFF" and
then goes on to tell everyone that "Icono Clast" "KNOWS ALL"
about "EVERYTHING" about "ESSEFF"......

Really? I've lived here since taking my first breath, at the corner
of Post and Scott.

BUT the PATHETIC thing about "Icono Clast" is NOTHING more than a
pre-dotcom carpetbagger.......go to "Icono Clast"'s website:

http://geocities.com/iconoc/

The "SEE IT ALL" sites in "Icono Clast"'s website says all there
needs to be known about how well "Icono Clast" "knows" about the
REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

The information's for tourists, not us. The phrases "[can] see it
all" and "the real San Francisco" have never been at the site and I
cannot recall having ever used either in this, or any other, forum. A
search for each phrase "did not match any documents".

For those who don't know, the names below are streets.

HERE'S A HINT "Icono Clast": San Bruno [Avenue];

Y'wanna send tourists to that part of town? Why?

San Jose, Brazil, Persia, Russia, Moscow, Athens, Geneva, Phelan,
Miraloma, Plymouth, Broad, Onondaga, Cayuga, ALEMANY, Bosworth,
Chenery,

Those are streets in the Excelsior and Glen Park, not exactly parts
of town for short-term tourists.

Cutler, La Playa, Noreiga, Balboa, Fulton,........

Those streets are in the Parkside, Sunset, and Richmond, not exactly
parts of town for short-term tourists.

though it must really be nice to THINK that YOU know everything
and anything there is to know about SF as shown by your "trust me
this IS IT ABOUT ESSEFF" website.....

Noöne knows "everything and anything there is to know" about my home.
Anyone who makes that claim is to be doubted.

your "trust me this IS IT ABOUT ESSEFF" website.....

Attributing that quote to me is a falsification.

If you know of a site that provides more, more accurate, more useful,
more comprehensive, and/or better information than mine, recommend
it. If I agree, I'll add a link to it. Had you included such a URL,
your post might have had a recognizable point.

BTW: SURELY YOU KNOW THIS: "Hilly streets? Van Ness Avenue? Well,
maybe the last two blocks going down to Aquatic Park...."......
WRONG: Van Ness from Golden Gate to O'Farrell.

[Deleted what I said to quote what punk-tilous said] "What they
consider "hills" in [the Texas hill country] is nothing more that a
bump on the road in the [San Francisco] Bay Area."

HERE'S ANOTHER HINT "Icono Clast": ride a bike (BICYCLE) in
"ESSEFF" and you will find out what consitutes "hills" and
ESPECIALLY with a bicycle you will find THE REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

I've ridden bicycles for thousands of miles here. In fact, I used to
be a bicycle messenger (mentioned at the site). When BART's bicycle
program was initiated, I was among the second hundred to receive a
permit.

Rather than bitch about me, why don't you point out the errors you
can find on the "Don't-miss Sights in San Francisco" page
http://geocities.com/iconoc/Articles/Sights.html at the site at
Right in the sig?

Rather than bitch about me, why don't you suggest adding things that
might have been omitted from the page? Dave Hatunen, a regular in
this group, is credited for the suggestions he's made. So have
National Park Ranger Craig Glassner and radio personality and
restaurateur David Kaye for their contributions. I don't see any
contribution from "SlipperySlope". Rather than bitch about me,
"SlipperySlope", point out the page's errors so that they can be
corrected and/or contribute its omissions so that they can be
included. Simple, ¿no?

But please, "SlipperySlope", if you find an error, tell about it
here. Jump, shout, and carry on in glee about what you found. Of
course, if you don't do that, we can safely presume that you could
find neither an error nor a significant omission as I believe you
cannot. That would mean, of course, that the information on the page
is correct in which case your post is pointless, my response to it of
no value, and the few who might have read this far have wasted their
time.
__________________________________________________ _________________
Un San Francisqueño en San Francisco.
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ - http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 --- IClast at SFbay Net

P.S.
I'll be out of town 'til the Sixth. You have plenty of time to try to
make a mis-informant of me.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:37:51 GMT, SlipperySlope
wrote:

I get a real kicker out of "Icono Clast" as it so SELF-convinced that it
knows all the (WHEW!) "secrets" about "ESSEFF" but the big cracker (note
the pun) is that "Icono Clast" is NOTHING more than another arriver into
"ESSEFF" that goes on to "discover" "ALL" the "GREAT" "THINGS" about "ALL
OF" "ESSEFF" and then goes on to tell everyone that "Icono Clast" "KNOWS
ALL" about "EVERYTHING" about "ESSEFF"......

BUT the PATHETIC thing about "Icono Clast" is NOTHING more than a
pre-dotcom carpetbagger.......go to "Icono Clast"'s website: The "SEE IT
ALL" sites in "Icono Clast"'s website says all there needs to be known
about how well "Icono Clast" "knows" about the REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

IconoClast does have a somewhat grating manner, and he and I have
had our differences over the last decade, enough so that he
actually hunted me down at work in Palo Alto one day to see what
I looked like, but they've been pretty picky-picky (one dispute
was over the significance of a shopping mall on the Peninsula),
but in general IC does, indeed know a great deal about SF.

HERE'S A HINT "Icono Clast": San Bruno; San Jose, Brazil, Persia, Russia,
Moscow, Athens, Geneva, Phelan, Miraloma, Plymouth, Broad, Onondaga,
Cayuga, ALEMANY, Bosworth, Chenery, Cutler, La Playa, Noreiga, Balboa,
Fulton,........ though it must really be nice to THINK that YOU know
everything and anything there is to know about SF as shown by your "trust
me this IS IT ABOUT ESSEFF" website.....

You lost me. What have Brazil and Persia to do with it?

BTW: SURELY YOU KNOW THIS: "Hilly streets? Van Ness Avenue? Well, maybe
the last two blocks going
down to Aquatic Park...."...... WRONG: Van Ness from Golden Gate to
O'Farrell.

Hm. That four block stretch is a hill, but I wouldn't call it
hilly. I've pushed a baby stroller up it a few times. In general,
Van Ness is not a hilly street, not for San Francisco, in any
case, although, admittedly, it does rise and fall over a long
hill.

HERE'S ANOTHER HINT "Icono Clast": ride a bike (BICYCLE) in "ESSEFF" and
you will find out what consitutes "hills" and ESPECIALLY with a bicycle
you will find THE REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

My goodness, if you can't navigate Van Ness on a bicycle you
don't belong on a bicycle.

************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 04:25:04 -0700, Icono Clast
wrote:

Rather than bitch about me, "SlipperySlope", point out the errors you
find on the "Don't-miss Sights in San Francisco" page
http://geocities.com/iconoc/Articles/Sights.html, at the site at
Right in the sig, and/or contribute its omissions. But please,
"SlipperySlope", if you find an error, tell about it here. If you
don't, we can safely presume that you could not find one as I believe
you won't. That would mean, of course, that the information on the
page is correct.

Ooh. A challenge! now lemme see, should I???

Nah. To hell with it.

[...]

HERE'S A HINT "Icono Clast": San Bruno [Avenue];

Y'wanna send tourists to that part of town? Why?

San Jose, Brazil, Persia, Russia, Moscow, Athens, Geneva, Phelan,
Miraloma, Plymouth, Broad, Onondaga, Cayuga, ALEMANY, Bosworth,
Chenery,

Those are streets in the Excelsior and Glen Park, not exactly parts
of town for short-term tourists.

Oh. Now I get it! He meant *streets*

Cutler, La Playa, Noreiga, Balboa, Fulton,........

Those streets are in the Parkside, Sunset, and Richmond, not exactly
parts of town for short-term tourists.

I don't think of the Sunset as hilly anyway, although the entire
district exists on one huge long upgrade.


************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen wrote:
Icono Clast wrote:
point out the errors you find on the "Don't-miss Sights in San
Francisco" page
http://geocities.com/iconoc/Articles/Sights.html, at the site
at Right in the sig, and/or contribute its omissions. But
please, "SlipperySlope", if you find an error, tell about it
here. If you don't, we can safely presume that you could not
find one as I believe you won't. That would mean, of course,
that the information on the page is correct.

Ooh. A challenge! now lemme see, should I???

Nah. To hell with it.

Whew! You're among the few . . .

I don't think of the Sunset as hilly anyway, although the entire
district exists on one huge long upgrade.

Ahem. Depends upon which way yer a'goin'.


Hatunen wrote:
SlipperySlope wrote:
"Icono Clast" "knows" about the REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

IconoClast does have a somewhat grating manner,

Y'mean I'm not the nicest guy on the 'Net? Damn!

and he and I have had our differences over the last decade, enough
so that he actually hunted me down at work in Palo Alto one day
to see what I looked like,

Was at your home in Daly City, too.

but they've been pretty picky-picky (one dispute was over the
significance of a shopping mall on the Peninsula),

Hummm. Don't remember that one.

but in general IC does, indeed know a great deal about SF.

Thank you. So do you.

BTW: SURELY YOU KNOW THIS: "Hilly streets? Van Ness Avenue?
Well, maybe the last two blocks going down to Aquatic
Park...."...... WRONG: Van Ness from Golden Gate to O'Farrell.

Hm. That four block stretch is a hill, but I wouldn't call it
hilly . . . although, admittedly, it does rise and fall over a
long hill.

HERE'S ANOTHER HINT "Icono Clast": ride a bike (BICYCLE) in
"ESSEFF" and you will find out what consitutes "hills" and
ESPECIALLY with a bicycle you will find THE REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

My goodness, if you can't navigate Van Ness on a bicycle you don't
belong on a bicycle.

Rim shot!
__________________________________________________ _________________
A San Franciscan in 47.452 mile² San Francisco.
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ - http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 --- IClast at SFbay Net

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:06:27 -0700, Icono Clast
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:

I don't think of the Sunset as hilly anyway, although the entire
district exists on one huge long upgrade.

Ahem. Depends upon which way yer a'goin'.


Or downgrade. Or no grade if you're traveling along an avenue.

Hatunen wrote:
SlipperySlope wrote:
"Icono Clast" "knows" about the REAL SAN FRANCISCO.

IconoClast does have a somewhat grating manner,

Y'mean I'm not the nicest guy on the 'Net? Damn!

and he and I have had our differences over the last decade, enough
so that he actually hunted me down at work in Palo Alto one day
to see what I looked like,

Was at your home in Daly City, too.

Ah, yes. For the wake, wasn't it? Forgot about that. I appreciate
that.

but they've been pretty picky-picky (one dispute was over the
significance of a shopping mall on the Peninsula),

Hummm. Don't remember that one.

You called Tanforan a major regional mall.


************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen wrote:
(one dispute was over the
significance of a shopping mall on the Peninsula),

Icono Clast said:
Hummm. Don't remember that one.

You called Tanforan a major regional mall.

I did? Sure it was I? As you know, I don't think regionally and
regard shopping malls with great disdain.
__________________________________________________ _________________
A San Franciscan who's stickin' t'the union!
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ - http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 --- IClast at SFbay Net

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:06:05 -0700, Icono Clast
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
(one dispute was over the
significance of a shopping mall on the Peninsula),

Icono Clast said:
Hummm. Don't remember that one.

You called Tanforan a major regional mall.

I did? Sure it was I? As you know, I don't think regionally and
regard shopping malls with great disdain.

My apologies. I Googled it and it was a poster by name of Ric
Silver who made the claim.


************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *