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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
wrote in message news:BC696E24.21516%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... in article , Jim Davis Sr. at wrote on 3/1/04 10:23 PM: What I'm trying to say is that the "Estate", if any, that this guy has left will probably not be sufficient for his surviving family to live on for the rest of their lives. If the estate is sued, the innocent survivors will be the ones to suffer. It's not their fault that he decided to take a header off the bridge or building. Agreed, but by the same token, it's not the airline or the pax's fault either. He could have killed himself in a way that did not impact them. If doing so in a way that impacts hundreds of others affects any surviving family (and you're assuming there is one).....I feel for them but I can't quite reach. Balancing the equities, the innocent pax/airline deserves any resources over those of the alleged widows and orphans. Probably just wanted to leave on impression, make a splash, paint the town red, go out with a bang, and other insensitive remarks. 6 billion people, 100 billion reasons every day, their call, pity about the bystanders. If we distinguish only how they self-extinguish, and that only for our convenience, how can we then expect they care to make it convenient for us? There will be no resources, fairly easy to prove no responsibility due to mental state, also likely no insurance for same reason. Then there are things like disposal and cleanup costs. Sanitation gets high priority. 1.5% of deaths are suicides. Probablity of a suicide increased greatly amonst those immediately associated. Suicides affect people far more than accidents or natural causes. Emergency services see this all the time but the differences is in preparation and expectation. A rock that treated 5 heart-attacks and 3 car crashes today may fold when they find a pet budgie dead at home, then have chicken for tea. We don't know what other circumstances may have prompted the management decision. Their call. e.g. the odds of a similar recent event with an associate are not insignificant |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
budgie wrote:
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:27:19 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote: in article , budgie at wrote on 3/1/04 8:44 PM: We all have stress from various sources at various times. Do we get to knock off work (including in the airline industry) because we had a fight with a spouse or the dog died or..... I take it you haven't personally experienced a jumper. Does finding a horse's head in my bed count? Nope, that's just a personal affront from an individual. Trust me, the sight of a jumper going past - and of the splatter mess fifteen floors below - is not easily forgotten. And that was thirty-odd years back. 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor, presumably because there was no 13th floor. |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
"nobody" wrote in message ... Roland Perry wrote: For the crew, wouldn't it have been better to have *some* passengers which would have helped take their mind off the trauma ? For instance, take 50% of the scheduled pax, and add a psychiatrist to talk to crew between the service and during crew rest periods. Not at all. By having no passengers on-board it would have allowed the crew to at least get some rest knowing that they could deal with matters in privacy - they would have taken seats in First and Business Class, most would have slept as much as possible. Having passengers on board - even a few - would have meant that they couldn't just spread out and "go tropo" if required. Good on Air NZ in this instance. It's a far cry from how this would have been handled even a few years ago. -- Mr Scebe Losers always whine about their 'best'. Winners go home and **** the prom queen". ~Sean Connery in "The Rock" |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC681C7D.2147B%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... in article , James Robinson at wrote on 2/29/04 10:34 PM: I bet the hold was filled with cargo. That revenue would offset some, if not all, of the cost. not on that little notice. Absolutely. There is always plenty of cargo going on these flights. There would be standby items that would be put on depending on how much fuel was required. It probably allowed them to clear some of the backlog. -- Mr Scebe Losers always whine about their 'best'. Winners go home and **** the prom queen". ~Sean Connery in "The Rock" |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
"Alan" wrote in message ... Yeah, I can see it in the training manual now: "Procedures to be Followed When a Human Body Falls from the Sky onto Cabin Crew Transport. 1. Remove body. 2. Clean windscreen thoroughly before proceeding. 3 ...." 4. Check appearance. -- Mr Scebe Losers always whine about their 'best'. Winners go home and **** the prom queen". ~Sean Connery in "The Rock" |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
Terry Russell wrote:
"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC696E24.21516%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTORE PLY.ns.sympatico.ca... in article , Jim Davis Sr. at wrote on 3/1/04 10:23 PM: What I'm trying to say is that the "Estate", if any, that this guy has left will probably not be sufficient for his surviving family to live on for the rest of their lives. If the estate is sued, the innocent survivors will be the ones to suffer. It's not their fault that he decided to take a header off the bridge or building. Agreed, but by the same token, it's not the airline or the pax's fault either. He could have killed himself in a way that did not impact them. If doing so in a way that impacts hundreds of others affects any surviving family (and you're assuming there is one).....I feel for them but I can't quite reach. Balancing the equities, the innocent pax/airline deserves any resources over those of the alleged widows and orphans. Probably just wanted to leave on impression, make a splash, paint the town red, go out with a bang, and other insensitive remarks. 6 billion people, 100 billion reasons every day, their call, pity about the bystanders. If we distinguish only how they self-extinguish, and that only for our convenience, how can we then expect they care to make it convenient for us? There will be no resources, fairly easy to prove no responsibility due to mental state, also likely no insurance for same reason. Then there are things like disposal and cleanup costs. Sanitation gets high priority. 1.5% of deaths are suicides. Probablity of a suicide increased greatly amonst those immediately associated. Suicides affect people far more than accidents or natural causes. Emergency services see this all the time but the differences is in preparation and expectation. A rock that treated 5 heart-attacks and 3 car crashes today may fold when they find a pet budgie dead at home, then have chicken for tea. We don't know what other circumstances may have prompted the management decision. Their call. e.g. the odds of a similar recent event with an associate are not insignificant Just how many people jump of Motorway Bridges in LA Try finding the figures |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
mtravelkay wrote:
budgie wrote: On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:27:19 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote: in article , budgie at wrote on 3/1/04 8:44 PM: We all have stress from various sources at various times. Do we get to knock off work (including in the airline industry) because we had a fight with a spouse or the dog died or..... I take it you haven't personally experienced a jumper. Does finding a horse's head in my bed count? Nope, that's just a personal affront from an individual. Trust me, the sight of a jumper going past - and of the splatter mess fifteen floors below - is not easily forgotten. And that was thirty-odd years back. 15 years ago, while on a temp assignment in LA while working at IBM in Austin. during the development of AIX/PS2 at Locus Software in the Herbel Life building, I was staying at the Marriott LAX. One night a bunch of us were coming back from dinner. In front of the hotel was a body draped in a sheet. Apparently, someone jumped from the 14th floor, presumably because there was no 13th floor. While I can not point to figures! LA is suicde heaven for motorway bridge jumpers. But what happened to the good old Kiwi attitude that dealt with these sort of things |
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Sheep shaggers head home alone after LA suicide
"Sean" wrote in message news:jpm740po89mrgvhs290l31ujtonkr7fet9@newsgroups ... Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote: I, for one, would have been completely ticked. Sure, it sounds insensitive, but crap happens. Do they cancel a flight if the pilot's dog dies? No? I would think that would affect the pilot a lot more than some stranger while you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was imperative that the sheep shaggers be flown home immediately to be with their fluffy white sheep. It has been demonstrated in studies that they recover faster whilst in the company of their romantic partners. Plonk! /pix |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
Mr Scebe wrote:
"Alan" wrote in message .. . Yeah, I can see it in the training manual now: "Procedures to be Followed When a Human Body Falls from the Sky onto Cabin Crew Transport. 1. Remove body. 2. Clean windscreen thoroughly before proceeding. 3 ...." 4. Check appearance. And do not alarm passangers or they will demand free stuff |
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