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127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 wrote:
Hatunen wrote: Oh, and I should add, that's the way voting works; some people don't get their way. I don't get to vote in NY New York sent its National Guard into New Jersey to force you to pay taxes to them? miguel -- Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/ |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:40:29 -0500, 127.0.0.1 wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:56:59 -0500, "Bill" wrote: "127.0.0.1" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:04:20 -0700, Hatunen wrote: Oh, and I should add, that's the way voting works; some people don't get their way. I don't get to vote in NY You live in a state. That state helps subsidize NYC regional transit. You vote for state representatives. I don't live in ny, next nonsensical conclusion Look, don't fool yourself. If New York City were to vanish tomorrow, Connecticut and New Jersey would soon have the economy of Nebraska. -------- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero dot it. |
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(RJ) wrote in message ... Hatunen wrote: [snip] Oh, and I should add, that's the way voting works; some people don't get their way. What an inane response! Actually, it's the underpinning of democracy. The minority agree to be ruled (within some defined limits) by the majority. We have a representative republic, not a democracy. |
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127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 wrote:
B wrote: Look, don't fool yourself. If New York City were to vanish tomorrow, Connecticut and New Jersey would soon have the economy of Nebraska. 1. nonsense 2. exactly what would be wrong with that? New Jersey and Connecticut are currently about the richest states in the country. Nebraska isn't. 3. why should people outside NYC support NYC? They don't. NYC is a huge net contributor to the federal budget. That money then goes out to the hinterlands. miguel -- Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/ |
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And this has WHAT to do with AMTRAK----which is the subject line?
djb RJ wrote: me wrote: (RJ) wrote in message ... Hatunen wrote: [snip] Oh, and I should add, that's the way voting works; some people don't get their way. What an inane response! Actually, it's the underpinning of democracy. The minority agree to be ruled (within some defined limits) by the majority. We have a representative republic, not a democracy. |
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127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 wrote:
(Miguel Cruz) wrote: 3. why should people outside NYC support NYC? They don't. NYC is a huge net contributor to the federal budget. That money then goes out to the hinterlands. miguel, you don't appear to have a clue, when I HAVE TO PAY A $7 toll to cross a bridge in order to subsidize nyc's mass transit, I am not supporting the "hinterlands" I may not have stated my point that clearly. More tax money leaves New York City than comes in. This is (obviously, assuming Newtonian conservation principles apply to money) not the case everywhere. So your bridge toll may go in part to New York-area transit, but at the same time New Yorkers are paying even more money to support programs way outside the city. miguel -- Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/ |
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"127.0.0.1" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:39:32 -0500, "Bill" wrote: "127.0.0.1" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:26:12 -0700, Hatunen wrote: There's nothing wrong with government subsidies, per se. IF the people want them. your statements are all well and good but in some places like NYC, the taxation to support city transit riders reaches far and wide to tax people who receive no benefits from mass transit, and that is where resentment for government subsidies begins Even people who don't ride trains in the NYC area benefit Without the mass transit, the traffic would be much worse than it already is. Plus the City itself would not be able to function, leading to an economic collapse that would effect all non-transit riders in the Metro area. I don't care about traffic around NYC, yet I still subsidize their mass transit Do you care about the economic survival of NYC? That effects an area much wider than NYC or even the NYC metro area. |
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"127.0.0.1" wrote in message news On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:53:43 -0500, "Bill" wrote: "127.0.0.1" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:20:28 GMT, Rita wrote: Especially in New York City. One can't imagine what the city would be like without it. Imagine if everyone attempted to drive a car to work and then park it. people who live 20-50-80 miles away are tolled and taxed to provide that mass transit in NYC, I rarely go into to NYC, and you can be sure that my region is not served by NYC transit so why should I support their mass transit? Because if you're within 80 miles of NYC, your local economy depends on a healthy NYC, and that depends on mass transit. that's a bunch of BS, our area has nothing to do with nyc's economy. according to census data less than 12% of the population here commutes to NYC You obviously don't understand economics. NYC's economic region is much wider than NYC. Without NYC, the surrounding areas would have much, much smaller economies. How many people commute to areas outside of NYC which depend on the NYC regional economic engine? How many people from that area (assuming you are outside of that area) come to your area to recreate, purchase property, frequent businesses? I live 150 miles from NYC. However I appreciate the influence that NYC has on the economy of my region. And I'm happy to pay a few pennies of my gas or other taxes to help the NYC region have a functioning mass transit system without which many more of them would want to move up here. |
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