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Shooting at Northern Illinois.
In Alan S
wrote: On 16 Feb 2008 18:01:00 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote: In Alan S wrote: After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the private weapons from the public.... I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Did it actually "work" in Australia? Did Australian criminals dutifully line up and turn in their guns? Or were guns only confiscated from the law-abiding? Read the article. Look at the deaths by firearms. That's not the question. Did Australian criminals dutifully line up and turn in their guns? Or were guns only confiscated from the law-abiding? Are you completely unconcered about crime in general, being peculiarly fixated on only those involving firearms? -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN |
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Shooting at Northern Illinois.
In message sechumlib
wrote: On 2008-02-15 13:55:26 -0500, DevilsPGD said: The act was already illegal. Several steps leading up to the act were illegal. Why would one more law on top of a set of illegal acts make any difference? Because the laws in existence are totally inadequate, largely because of opposition by the NRA and other gun nuts. What we need are A LOT of anti-gun laws, nationally as well as locally, and time for them to be in operation for a while before we evaluate their effectiveness. Any other questions? Yes, actually. Since the acts involved were already illegal, why do you think additional laws would help? |
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Shooting at Northern Illinois.
Alan S wrote:
On 16 Feb 2008 18:01:00 GMT, Bert Hyman wrote: In Alan S wrote: After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the private weapons from the public.... I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Did it actually "work" in Australia? Did Australian criminals dutifully line up and turn in their guns? Or were guns only confiscated from the law-abiding? Read the article. Look at the deaths by firearms. And the crims probably still have their guns but consider how many massacres these days are by known criminals and how many are by people with no criminal record? Was the guy in Illinois a prior crim? The guys in Columbine? You would have been happier if they mixed up a batch of TATP and made bombs? It's not the weapon that's dangerous, it's the desire to kill at any cost including one's own life that's dangerous. Remember, the _worst_ "masscre" in US history was committed with commercial airliners, second worst with gasoline, the ones with firearms are way down on the list. With regard to Illinois, there was a time when he likely would not have been allowed to own a firearm, but various lawsuits aimed at protecting nuts got the laws changed so that one's civil liberties cannot be abrogated unless one is "adjudicated criminally insane". Note that these suits were not brought by "the gun lobby", they were mostly brought by the ACLU and other professional do-gooders. With regard to Columbine, the "guys" were in fact prohibited from owning firearms both due to their age and their criminal history and in fact obtained them unlawfully with the aid of accomplices, at least one of whom has been imprisoned for doing so. The real story though is not the guns, the real story is that if they had been more competent at making bombs then there would have been far, far more dead. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Shooting at Northern Illinois.
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Mike O'Sullivan wrote: Jim Davis wrote: I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware, but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from neighbouring states? No. No state does. |
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Shooting at Northern Illinois.
In article ,
Bert Hyman wrote: In Mike O'Sullivan wrote: Jim Davis wrote: I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware, but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from neighbouring states? Federal law, of course. How so? |
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Shooting at Northern Illinois.
In Shawn Hirn
wrote: In article , Bert Hyman wrote: In Mike O'Sullivan wrote: Jim Davis wrote: I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware, but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from neighbouring states? Federal law, of course. How so? In general, firearms can only be sold to residents of the state in which the sale is performed. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30] May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State? A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3)] -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN |
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