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Aditional thoughts
Hi, group!
Returning to the net after a break. Still no additional posts appearing here. As I think that this group is worthwhile, will contribute one for the enjoyment [or censure...] of any readers worldwide. Friday here, Federal election here tomorrow. We. in Australia, may know which party wins in a couple of days, or possibly a week from now. That is the way the system works here. I don't propose to try to try to explain it, although it is one of the "fairest" systems I that I know of. Of course, as anyone who reads my posts will probably know, I can be a bit "sardonic" about any or all "elections", here or in the U.S., U.K. or anywhere else for that matter A matter of vocabulary...and out of kindness I wont mention any names, of For the benefit of readers who might have not the word in their vocabulary, [including a couple of possibilities who spring to mind] I will, of course, give a definition. After all, every human has some learning potential. ----- Adjective * S: (adj) sardonic (disdainfully or ironically humorous; scornful and mocking) "his rebellion is the bitter, sardonic laughter of all great satirists"- Frank Schoenberner; "a wry pleasure to be...reminded of all that one is missing"- Irwin Edman \ http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sardonic I, of course, am only being mildly sardonic in my relationships with some posters on this group, who shall not be named, of course. :-) Actually, I am a fairly "polite kangaroo" unless some posters want to accuse me of lying, directly or indirectly However, I think that I might cope with them in much way that our pet cat copes with the odd flea. I don't threaten anyone else on groups, with an "express" or "implied" threat. Perhaps this is due to my belief that I.S.P.severs keep a record of all posts for seven years or so. Unlikely? ... You might as well ask me if someone from our part of the world, say an Australian, might choose to live in, say a place such as the southwest U.S., such as Texas. Still, a lot of things are possible. Do bears defecate in the woods? Could a Pope be female? Life is full of similar surprises, after all! The universe includes lots of stars, perhaps lots of habitable planets. It seems to have been around a long time. Given a possible infinity of worlds, and enough time, almost anything is "possible". Including a large variety of possibly sentient beings, with a large variety of possible "personalities". To go back the other way, even in a spiral arm of our particular galaxy, remote from the galactic centre, there is a minor star, that we call the "sun", with a number of "planets" orbiting around it. Eight or nine, depending on whether one considers "Pluto" as a planet. One of these, which we call "Earth" contains a truly astonishing variety of life. Even the apparently dominant genus and species known as "Homo sapiens". Over 6.5 billion of us. One would think that we could somehow manage to get along with one another. Yet we obviously cannot, or there wouldn't be any wars. Can even a comparatively small subset of "humans" with Internet access manage to "get along"? If the reader thinks so, have a look at "Usenet". Or even this particular group. A very small sub,sub, sub, set. How many on rec.travel.australia+nz? Perhaps a thousand or two humans even read it, as a generous estimate. How many regularly post on it? 1,000 at best, perhaps. Can these1,000 humans possibly "get along" with one another? It doesn't seem so, does it? Not to mention any names, but most of these seem unable to even tolerate, let alone understand, one another. If a group of 1,500 [at most] cannot manage to do so, is it any wonder that humans have wars? For example, in the U.S. "Civil War" was there actually much difference between the average American residing north or south of the Mason-Dixon line? Face it, folks. If Americans could not get along with one another, historically at least, how can we hope to get along with the rest of the world? Anyone willing to comment on this post? ...Or is just too hard for most of you? Cheers, Kangaroo16 |
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Aditional thoughts
K16: one more glass of wine?
love to read yr epistels.. ready to leave to oz. for the 7th time next week. Keep posting R. belgium "kangaroo16" schreef in bericht ... Hi, group! Returning to the net after a break. Still no additional posts appearing here. As I think that this group is worthwhile, will contribute one for the enjoyment [or censure...] of any readers worldwide. Friday here, Federal election here tomorrow. We. in Australia, may know which party wins in a couple of days, or possibly a week from now. That is the way the system works here. I don't propose to try to try to explain it, although it is one of the "fairest" systems I that I know of. Of course, as anyone who reads my posts will probably know, I can be a bit "sardonic" about any or all "elections", here or in the U.S., U.K. or anywhere else for that matter A matter of vocabulary...and out of kindness I wont mention any names, of For the benefit of readers who might have not the word in their vocabulary, [including a couple of possibilities who spring to mind] I will, of course, give a definition. After all, every human has some learning potential. ----- Adjective * S: (adj) sardonic (disdainfully or ironically humorous; scornful and mocking) "his rebellion is the bitter, sardonic laughter of all great satirists"- Frank Schoenberner; "a wry pleasure to be...reminded of all that one is missing"- Irwin Edman \ http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sardonic I, of course, am only being mildly sardonic in my relationships with some posters on this group, who shall not be named, of course. :-) Actually, I am a fairly "polite kangaroo" unless some posters want to accuse me of lying, directly or indirectly However, I think that I might cope with them in much way that our pet cat copes with the odd flea. I don't threaten anyone else on groups, with an "express" or "implied" threat. Perhaps this is due to my belief that I.S.P.severs keep a record of all posts for seven years or so. Unlikely? ... You might as well ask me if someone from our part of the world, say an Australian, might choose to live in, say a place such as the southwest U.S., such as Texas. Still, a lot of things are possible. Do bears defecate in the woods? Could a Pope be female? Life is full of similar surprises, after all! The universe includes lots of stars, perhaps lots of habitable planets. It seems to have been around a long time. Given a possible infinity of worlds, and enough time, almost anything is "possible". Including a large variety of possibly sentient beings, with a large variety of possible "personalities". To go back the other way, even in a spiral arm of our particular galaxy, remote from the galactic centre, there is a minor star, that we call the "sun", with a number of "planets" orbiting around it. Eight or nine, depending on whether one considers "Pluto" as a planet. One of these, which we call "Earth" contains a truly astonishing variety of life. Even the apparently dominant genus and species known as "Homo sapiens". Over 6.5 billion of us. One would think that we could somehow manage to get along with one another. Yet we obviously cannot, or there wouldn't be any wars. Can even a comparatively small subset of "humans" with Internet access manage to "get along"? If the reader thinks so, have a look at "Usenet". Or even this particular group. A very small sub,sub, sub, set. How many on rec.travel.australia+nz? Perhaps a thousand or two humans even read it, as a generous estimate. How many regularly post on it? 1,000 at best, perhaps. Can these1,000 humans possibly "get along" with one another? It doesn't seem so, does it? Not to mention any names, but most of these seem unable to even tolerate, let alone understand, one another. If a group of 1,500 [at most] cannot manage to do so, is it any wonder that humans have wars? For example, in the U.S. "Civil War" was there actually much difference between the average American residing north or south of the Mason-Dixon line? Face it, folks. If Americans could not get along with one another, historically at least, how can we hope to get along with the rest of the world? Anyone willing to comment on this post? ...Or is just too hard for most of you? Cheers, Kangaroo16 |
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Aditional thoughts
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:57:43 +0100, "maxi"
wrote in : K16: one more glass of wine? As the King James version of the Bible advises, in 1 Timothy 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." Or, in Latin, 23 noli adhuc aquam bibere sed vino modico utere propter stomachum tuum et frequentes tuas infirmitates http://vul.scripturetext.com/1_timothy/5.htm Or in Dutch, Drink niet langer water alleen, maar gebruik een weinig wijn, om uw maag en uw menigvuldige zwakheden. http://svg.scripturetext.com/1_timothy/5.htm Not that I think you require a translation, but just as reminder to Yanks that languages other than English are spoken in the world.:-) [Not that they, or Australians for that matter, speak "proper" English. :-) ] As it happened, I wrote the post before I entered the subject line, and inadvertently left out the extra "d". :-) I won't bother to correct it, of course. Such small lapses don't bother me that much. Like most of mankind, I'm not perfect, and don't pretend to be. :-) Perhaps one of the more obsessive/compulsive members of this group will change it if and when they reply to the post? Perhaps my subconscious led me to this unintentional experiment? Perhaps my interpretation of the word "little" in 1 Timothy 5:23 is a bit too liberal? ... But then again, I have other " infirmities" in addition to age. Not as many as some of my critics, of course, at least I'm not overly obsessive/compulsive! Those who are might want to check the accuracy of my quote. If so, perhaps they will check the first two verses in 1 Timothy 5? :-) To save them the trouble, though: "1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; 2 The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity." After all, they may not have a Bible handy.... Thanks for your reply, Maxi, nice to know that there is at least someone who reads my posts! love to read yr epistels.. ready to leave to oz. for the 7th time next week. Nice to hear that you like Australia, Maxi! Have you considered migrating here? Has Belgium managed to form a government yet? It says a lot for the residents there that they can manage to get along without one! Could Americans or even Australians cope? The Civil War would seem to indicate otherwise. Somalia has had a few rough years. Those who don't follow world news can always consult Wikipedia to try to catch up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Somalia Keep posting I intend to, although perhaps not as frequently in the next 3 or four weeks. Still little or no posting activity from the USA, though. Perhaps they are recovering from Thanksgiving? Or have taken Friday off for a 4 day holiday? When I left the U.S. if a holiday such as Christmas Day fell on a Sunday, people still had to go to work on Monday. I was pleasantly surprised by the Australian practice. Not only is the 26th of December a national holiday [Boxing Day] but if any holiday fell on a Sunday, they got the next day off in lieu of the "double holiday". The "normal working week" was from Monday to Friday. Say 9 AM to 4 or 5 PM. Even if working on the minimum legal wage, if they chose to work outside these hours, they got more per hour for working outside of "normal working hours". If they chose to work on a Saturday, they got 1.5 times their normal hourly rate. On a Sunday, twice their hourly rate, or a "double time" loading. On a public holiday, "triple time" or 3 times their normal hourly rate. Management staff were paid a salary, not an hourly rate, and they were expected to be willing to work outside of "normal" hours. Of course, supermarkets and most other shops only were open 9 to 5, and closed on weekends. So an unmarried worker might have to shop during morning "tea break" (15 minutes), lunch (one hour) or afternoon "tea break" (15 minutes). A few years later, Thursday evening shopping was introduced when the shops stayed open until 7 or 8 PM. In the US at the time one had to work for a given employer for a year before even being allowed an annual holiday of two weeks. At that time, the annual paid holiday here was 4 to 6 weeks. Perhaps not that unusual in other countries, but in Australia someone going on as 4 to 6 weeks holiday got a "leave loading". 15%, from memory. So if a worker at the time was making, say, the equivalent of US$ 4 an hour, the time he spent on holiday was calculated at an hourly rate [for the standard working week] wasn't 35 hours at $4 an hour, but $4.60 an hour. So if he was going on a six week paid holiday, he would get $4.60 * 35 * 6. To save readers reaching for their calculators, he was normally working for $4 an hour for a 35 hour week, which was $140 a week. Workers were normally paid fortnightly [every two weeks] so his he would be paid this amount less federal tax. [No state tax, no social security tax] Before tax, therefore, $280 a fortnight. In cash. Holiday pay, though, as stated above, this would be $4.60 * 35 * 6 gross, before tax, $966. [or the equivalent of $161 a week, or $322 a fortnight, before tax] I don't remember the details of the federal tax payable at the time. Still a goodly amount in those days, paid in advance, in cash of course, before he left for his holiday. Thus, he was paid more for his holiday time than his normal working rate. Why? Well many workers, especially tradesmen, normally worked some overtime. So the 15% holiday loading compensated him for the lost opportunities for overtime when on holiday. So if any readers wonder why Australia was then known as a paradise for workers, now you should know. :-) Today, though, things are rather different. There are "workplace agreements" which have changed these conditions. However, they do have some benefits. Stores and other businesses can afford to stay open longer. The workers get a higher wage or salary to compensate for lost benefits. On the other hand, some employers draw up rather tough agreements, and this is an issue in today's Federal election. With luck, the results will be pretty predictable by tomorrow [Sunday] However, some seats will be closely contested, so we might not have a final result for a week or more. Someone will probably criticize my post for providing too much [or too little] information. Still, the upshot of all this is that Australia is still a fine place to live and work. Potential immigrants should know this, but I won't bother to cross post. Have already suggested that they follow this group as well as theirs, after all, a word to the wise should be sufficient. _verbum sapienti (sat est)_ 'a word (is enough) to the wise' (abbr. verb. sap.). http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../d0013520.html or http://tinyurl.com/2fgoln Anyway, thanks again for the post. With a bit of luck, we might see some today from Yanks in the U.S.A.:-) Cheers, Kangaroo16 R. belgium "kangaroo16" schreef in bericht .. . Hi, group! Returning to the net after a break. Still no additional posts appearing here. As I think that this group is worthwhile, will contribute one for the enjoyment [or censure...] of any readers worldwide. Friday here, Federal election here tomorrow. We. in Australia, may know which party wins in a couple of days, or possibly a week from now. That is the way the system works here. I don't propose to try to try to explain it, although it is one of the "fairest" systems I that I know of. Of course, as anyone who reads my posts will probably know, I can be a bit "sardonic" about any or all "elections", here or in the U.S., U.K. or anywhere else for that matter A matter of vocabulary...and out of kindness I wont mention any names, of For the benefit of readers who might have not the word in their vocabulary, [including a couple of possibilities who spring to mind] I will, of course, give a definition. After all, every human has some learning potential. ----- Adjective * S: (adj) sardonic (disdainfully or ironically humorous; scornful and mocking) "his rebellion is the bitter, sardonic laughter of all great satirists"- Frank Schoenberner; "a wry pleasure to be...reminded of all that one is missing"- Irwin Edman \ http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sardonic I, of course, am only being mildly sardonic in my relationships with some posters on this group, who shall not be named, of course. :-) Actually, I am a fairly "polite kangaroo" unless some posters want to accuse me of lying, directly or indirectly However, I think that I might cope with them in much way that our pet cat copes with the odd flea. I don't threaten anyone else on groups, with an "express" or "implied" threat. Perhaps this is due to my belief that I.S.P.severs keep a record of all posts for seven years or so. Unlikely? ... You might as well ask me if someone from our part of the world, say an Australian, might choose to live in, say a place such as the southwest U.S., such as Texas. Still, a lot of things are possible. Do bears defecate in the woods? Could a Pope be female? Life is full of similar surprises, after all! The universe includes lots of stars, perhaps lots of habitable planets. It seems to have been around a long time. Given a possible infinity of worlds, and enough time, almost anything is "possible". Including a large variety of possibly sentient beings, with a large variety of possible "personalities". To go back the other way, even in a spiral arm of our particular galaxy, remote from the galactic centre, there is a minor star, that we call the "sun", with a number of "planets" orbiting around it. Eight or nine, depending on whether one considers "Pluto" as a planet. One of these, which we call "Earth" contains a truly astonishing variety of life. Even the apparently dominant genus and species known as "Homo sapiens". Over 6.5 billion of us. One would think that we could somehow manage to get along with one another. Yet we obviously cannot, or there wouldn't be any wars. Can even a comparatively small subset of "humans" with Internet access manage to "get along"? If the reader thinks so, have a look at "Usenet". Or even this particular group. A very small sub,sub, sub, set. How many on rec.travel.australia+nz? Perhaps a thousand or two humans even read it, as a generous estimate. How many regularly post on it? 1,000 at best, perhaps. Can these1,000 humans possibly "get along" with one another? It doesn't seem so, does it? Not to mention any names, but most of these seem unable to even tolerate, let alone understand, one another. If a group of 1,500 [at most] cannot manage to do so, is it any wonder that humans have wars? For example, in the U.S. "Civil War" was there actually much difference between the average American residing north or south of the Mason-Dixon line? Face it, folks. If Americans could not get along with one another, historically at least, how can we hope to get along with the rest of the world? Anyone willing to comment on this post? ...Or is just too hard for most of you? Cheers, Kangaroo16 |
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belgium joke...
Funny that you know and read about this belgium joke...
almost 170 days since elections: no goverment yet. (we go for the guiness record)...Blame it on the french part, and.. no, we don't want to join the netherlands. We go for freestate flanders, and the belgium frank has to come back, and we want bruges as the capital not brussels and we want the next olimpic games in antwerp! Migrating? we do as the birds do, we stay 4 5 months and return R "kangaroo16" schreef in bericht ... On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:57:43 +0100, "maxi" wrote in : K16: one more glass of wine? As the King James version of the Bible advises, in 1 Timothy 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." Or, in Latin, 23 noli adhuc aquam bibere sed vino modico utere propter stomachum tuum et frequentes tuas infirmitates http://vul.scripturetext.com/1_timothy/5.htm Or in Dutch, Drink niet langer water alleen, maar gebruik een weinig wijn, om uw maag en uw menigvuldige zwakheden. http://svg.scripturetext.com/1_timothy/5.htm Not that I think you require a translation, but just as reminder to Yanks that languages other than English are spoken in the world.:-) [Not that they, or Australians for that matter, speak "proper" English. :-) ] As it happened, I wrote the post before I entered the subject line, and inadvertently left out the extra "d". :-) I won't bother to correct it, of course. Such small lapses don't bother me that much. Like most of mankind, I'm not perfect, and don't pretend to be. :-) Perhaps one of the more obsessive/compulsive members of this group will change it if and when they reply to the post? Perhaps my subconscious led me to this unintentional experiment? Perhaps my interpretation of the word "little" in 1 Timothy 5:23 is a bit too liberal? ... But then again, I have other " infirmities" in addition to age. Not as many as some of my critics, of course, at least I'm not overly obsessive/compulsive! Those who are might want to check the accuracy of my quote. If so, perhaps they will check the first two verses in 1 Timothy 5? :-) To save them the trouble, though: "1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; 2 The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity." After all, they may not have a Bible handy.... Thanks for your reply, Maxi, nice to know that there is at least someone who reads my posts! love to read yr epistels.. ready to leave to oz. for the 7th time next week. Nice to hear that you like Australia, Maxi! Have you considered migrating here? Has Belgium managed to form a government yet? It says a lot for the residents there that they can manage to get along without one! Could Americans or even Australians cope? The Civil War would seem to indicate otherwise. Somalia has had a few rough years. Those who don't follow world news can always consult Wikipedia to try to catch up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Somalia Keep posting I intend to, although perhaps not as frequently in the next 3 or four weeks. Still little or no posting activity from the USA, though. Perhaps they are recovering from Thanksgiving? Or have taken Friday off for a 4 day holiday? When I left the U.S. if a holiday such as Christmas Day fell on a Sunday, people still had to go to work on Monday. I was pleasantly surprised by the Australian practice. Not only is the 26th of December a national holiday [Boxing Day] but if any holiday fell on a Sunday, they got the next day off in lieu of the "double holiday". The "normal working week" was from Monday to Friday. Say 9 AM to 4 or 5 PM. Even if working on the minimum legal wage, if they chose to work outside these hours, they got more per hour for working outside of "normal working hours". If they chose to work on a Saturday, they got 1.5 times their normal hourly rate. On a Sunday, twice their hourly rate, or a "double time" loading. On a public holiday, "triple time" or 3 times their normal hourly rate. Management staff were paid a salary, not an hourly rate, and they were expected to be willing to work outside of "normal" hours. Of course, supermarkets and most other shops only were open 9 to 5, and closed on weekends. So an unmarried worker might have to shop during morning "tea break" (15 minutes), lunch (one hour) or afternoon "tea break" (15 minutes). A few years later, Thursday evening shopping was introduced when the shops stayed open until 7 or 8 PM. In the US at the time one had to work for a given employer for a year before even being allowed an annual holiday of two weeks. At that time, the annual paid holiday here was 4 to 6 weeks. Perhaps not that unusual in other countries, but in Australia someone going on as 4 to 6 weeks holiday got a "leave loading". 15%, from memory. So if a worker at the time was making, say, the equivalent of US$ 4 an hour, the time he spent on holiday was calculated at an hourly rate [for the standard working week] wasn't 35 hours at $4 an hour, but $4.60 an hour. So if he was going on a six week paid holiday, he would get $4.60 * 35 * 6. To save readers reaching for their calculators, he was normally working for $4 an hour for a 35 hour week, which was $140 a week. Workers were normally paid fortnightly [every two weeks] so his he would be paid this amount less federal tax. [No state tax, no social security tax] Before tax, therefore, $280 a fortnight. In cash. Holiday pay, though, as stated above, this would be $4.60 * 35 * 6 gross, before tax, $966. [or the equivalent of $161 a week, or $322 a fortnight, before tax] I don't remember the details of the federal tax payable at the time. Still a goodly amount in those days, paid in advance, in cash of course, before he left for his holiday. Thus, he was paid more for his holiday time than his normal working rate. Why? Well many workers, especially tradesmen, normally worked some overtime. So the 15% holiday loading compensated him for the lost opportunities for overtime when on holiday. So if any readers wonder why Australia was then known as a paradise for workers, now you should know. :-) Today, though, things are rather different. There are "workplace agreements" which have changed these conditions. However, they do have some benefits. Stores and other businesses can afford to stay open longer. The workers get a higher wage or salary to compensate for lost benefits. On the other hand, some employers draw up rather tough agreements, and this is an issue in today's Federal election. With luck, the results will be pretty predictable by tomorrow [Sunday] However, some seats will be closely contested, so we might not have a final result for a week or more. Someone will probably criticize my post for providing too much [or too little] information. Still, the upshot of all this is that Australia is still a fine place to live and work. Potential immigrants should know this, but I won't bother to cross post. Have already suggested that they follow this group as well as theirs, after all, a word to the wise should be sufficient. _verbum sapienti (sat est)_ 'a word (is enough) to the wise' (abbr. verb. sap.). http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../d0013520.html or http://tinyurl.com/2fgoln Anyway, thanks again for the post. With a bit of luck, we might see some today from Yanks in the U.S.A.:-) Cheers, Kangaroo16 R. belgium "kangaroo16" schreef in bericht . .. Hi, group! Returning to the net after a break. Still no additional posts appearing here. As I think that this group is worthwhile, will contribute one for the enjoyment [or censure...] of any readers worldwide. Friday here, Federal election here tomorrow. We. in Australia, may know which party wins in a couple of days, or possibly a week from now. That is the way the system works here. I don't propose to try to try to explain it, although it is one of the "fairest" systems I that I know of. Of course, as anyone who reads my posts will probably know, I can be a bit "sardonic" about any or all "elections", here or in the U.S., U.K. or anywhere else for that matter A matter of vocabulary...and out of kindness I wont mention any names, of For the benefit of readers who might have not the word in their vocabulary, [including a couple of possibilities who spring to mind] I will, of course, give a definition. After all, every human has some learning potential. ----- Adjective * S: (adj) sardonic (disdainfully or ironically humorous; scornful and mocking) "his rebellion is the bitter, sardonic laughter of all great satirists"- Frank Schoenberner; "a wry pleasure to be...reminded of all that one is missing"- Irwin Edman \ http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sardonic I, of course, am only being mildly sardonic in my relationships with some posters on this group, who shall not be named, of course. :-) Actually, I am a fairly "polite kangaroo" unless some posters want to accuse me of lying, directly or indirectly However, I think that I might cope with them in much way that our pet cat copes with the odd flea. I don't threaten anyone else on groups, with an "express" or "implied" threat. Perhaps this is due to my belief that I.S.P.severs keep a record of all posts for seven years or so. Unlikely? ... You might as well ask me if someone from our part of the world, say an Australian, might choose to live in, say a place such as the southwest U.S., such as Texas. Still, a lot of things are possible. Do bears defecate in the woods? Could a Pope be female? Life is full of similar surprises, after all! The universe includes lots of stars, perhaps lots of habitable planets. It seems to have been around a long time. Given a possible infinity of worlds, and enough time, almost anything is "possible". Including a large variety of possibly sentient beings, with a large variety of possible "personalities". To go back the other way, even in a spiral arm of our particular galaxy, remote from the galactic centre, there is a minor star, that we call the "sun", with a number of "planets" orbiting around it. Eight or nine, depending on whether one considers "Pluto" as a planet. One of these, which we call "Earth" contains a truly astonishing variety of life. Even the apparently dominant genus and species known as "Homo sapiens". Over 6.5 billion of us. One would think that we could somehow manage to get along with one another. Yet we obviously cannot, or there wouldn't be any wars. Can even a comparatively small subset of "humans" with Internet access manage to "get along"? If the reader thinks so, have a look at "Usenet". Or even this particular group. A very small sub,sub, sub, set. How many on rec.travel.australia+nz? Perhaps a thousand or two humans even read it, as a generous estimate. How many regularly post on it? 1,000 at best, perhaps. Can these1,000 humans possibly "get along" with one another? It doesn't seem so, does it? Not to mention any names, but most of these seem unable to even tolerate, let alone understand, one another. If a group of 1,500 [at most] cannot manage to do so, is it any wonder that humans have wars? For example, in the U.S. "Civil War" was there actually much difference between the average American residing north or south of the Mason-Dixon line? Face it, folks. If Americans could not get along with one another, historically at least, how can we hope to get along with the rest of the world? Anyone willing to comment on this post? ...Or is just too hard for most of you? Cheers, Kangaroo16 |
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:16:26 +0100, "maxi"
wrote in : Funny that you know and read about this belgium joke... Not really, as I do try to keep up with interesting news. :-) almost 170 days since elections: no goverment yet. (we go for the guiness record)... But the country is still holding together, is it not? Actually, am a bit curious about the day to day impact on citizens. Are pensions still being paid? Are government employees still being paid? Is the medical system still funded? ------------------- November 11th, 1975 The Age - November 12, 1975 The Dismissal of the Whitlam Government on November 11, 1975 was the most dramatic political event in the history of Australia's Federation. Edward Gough Whitlam's Labor government had been elected on December 2, 1972 and was the first Labor government in 23 years. Australia's Prime Minister for 16 years was Robert Menzies, whose Liberal Party governed in coalition with the Country Party. After Menzies' retirement in 1966, the government went into a steady decline until it was defeated by Whitlam. The new government was elected in a climate of great hope and optimism. It's demise a mere three years later at the hands of the Senate and the Governor-General is a fascinating political story that is still relevant to this day. What Happened? A brief overview of what happened on November 11, 1975 and why it remains a significant event in Australian political history.... [more at] http://whitlamdismissal.com/ Blame it on the french part, and.. no, we don't want to join the netherlands. From what I have heard, the French can be a bit difficult. On the positive side, the French Revolution happened before the American Revolution, and they did develop the metric system. On the other hand, I personally find it a bit amusing that they are concerned with the "purity" of the French language. Consider "American English" which has a lot of words from other languages, derived, or even copied, from German, Mexican, and so on. We go for freestate flanders, and the belgium frank has to come back, and we want bruges as the capital not brussels and we want the next olimpic games in antwerp! I, like many migrants, don't happen to have such Nationalistic feelings, although plenty of "Yanks" do. Some don't seem to have yet recovered from the U.S. Civil War. The American Civil War (1861–1865) was a civil war between the United States of America (the "Union") and the Southern slave states of the newly-formed Confederate States of America under Jefferson Davis. The Union included all of the free states and the five slaveholding border states and was led by Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party. Republicans opposed the expansion of slavery into territories owned by the United States, and their victory in the presidential election of 1860 resulted in seven Southern states declaring their secession from the Union even before Lincoln took office.[1] The Union rejected secession, regarding it as rebellion. . . [more at] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War One of the major issues was "state rights". Perhaps they should migrate to Australia, where the states do jealously guard their rights? Migrating? we do as the birds do, we stay 4 5 months and return Interesting. I went back to the U.S. once, decades ago, but didn't stay long. Only long enough to make enough money to get back here, actually. Too crowded, to high a population density. For instance, consider visiting a "National Park". When I was a kid, anyone could visit one, pitch camp anywhere, had a lot of "freedom of action". Last I heard, a few years ago now, a visitor had to stay in a "designated area", and had to "book" this about six weeks in advance. Probably necessary, considering the present population density there. Perhaps over 70 people per square mile. Australia is only slightly smaller than the continental U.S. and, at most, has about 1.5 people per square mile. Even this is a bit misleading as most of the population lives within 70 km or so from the coast in the major cities. Some years ago I was a bit surprised to find that some city areas of England had more people per square mile than Hong Kong. Haven't ever visited England, but have visited Hong Kong, so I personally find this hard to even conceive of. Still, no reason to disbelieve the statistics, though I couldn't imagine living in England, or even managing to exist there. Do I ever plan to revisit the USA? Not really. Too crowded when I left. I would probably say the wrong thing to someone and be murdered. :-) Compared to Australia, seems to be a pretty violent country, actually. It will be interesting to see how the U.S. Supreme Court interprets the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution in a few months time, and the possible reaction to same. Personally, I would like to observe the reaction from a comparatively safe distance. :-) Polls closed now in Eastern Australian States. Current results so far, indicates a win for Labor. See: Labor sweeps to victory. http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2007/ Still, it is a close race, and we may not know for sure for a while yet, although in another eight hours or so I expect to know a lot more than I do now, and might be able to make an educated guess. :-) Actually, the way things are going at the moment, might know for sure when I listen to the news tomorrow morning. 9:12 PM in Sydney as write these words. If I decide to stay up late, I might even know for sure tonight. Just rechecked the above ABC link. At the moment, 56 Seats won by the Liberal/Country Party coalition, 62 Seats predicted . Labor has 80 Seats won, 86 Seats predicted 76 seats required for victory 2 Seats won by other candidates 62.0 % counted | Updated Sat Nov 24 09:15PM Still, as the old saying goes, "The Opera isn't over until the fat lady sings." Cheers, Kangaroo16 R "kangaroo16" schreef in bericht .. . On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:57:43 +0100, "maxi" wrote in : K16: one more glass of wine? As the King James version of the Bible advises, in 1 Timothy 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." Or, in Latin, 23 noli adhuc aquam bibere sed vino modico utere propter stomachum tuum et frequentes tuas infirmitates http://vul.scripturetext.com/1_timothy/5.htm Or in Dutch, Drink niet langer water alleen, maar gebruik een weinig wijn, om uw maag en uw menigvuldige zwakheden. http://svg.scripturetext.com/1_timothy/5.htm Not that I think you require a translation, but just as reminder to Yanks that languages other than English are spoken in the world.:-) [Not that they, or Australians for that matter, speak "proper" English. :-) ] As it happened, I wrote the post before I entered the subject line, and inadvertently left out the extra "d". :-) I won't bother to correct it, of course. Such small lapses don't bother me that much. Like most of mankind, I'm not perfect, and don't pretend to be. :-) Perhaps one of the more obsessive/compulsive members of this group will change it if and when they reply to the post? Perhaps my subconscious led me to this unintentional experiment? Perhaps my interpretation of the word "little" in 1 Timothy 5:23 is a bit too liberal? ... But then again, I have other " infirmities" in addition to age. Not as many as some of my critics, of course, at least I'm not overly obsessive/compulsive! Those who are might want to check the accuracy of my quote. If so, perhaps they will check the first two verses in 1 Timothy 5? :-) To save them the trouble, though: "1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; 2 The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity." After all, they may not have a Bible handy.... Thanks for your reply, Maxi, nice to know that there is at least someone who reads my posts! love to read yr epistels.. ready to leave to oz. for the 7th time next week. Nice to hear that you like Australia, Maxi! Have you considered migrating here? Has Belgium managed to form a government yet? It says a lot for the residents there that they can manage to get along without one! Could Americans or even Australians cope? The Civil War would seem to indicate otherwise. Somalia has had a few rough years. Those who don't follow world news can always consult Wikipedia to try to catch up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Somalia Keep posting I intend to, although perhaps not as frequently in the next 3 or four weeks. Still little or no posting activity from the USA, though. Perhaps they are recovering from Thanksgiving? Or have taken Friday off for a 4 day holiday? When I left the U.S. if a holiday such as Christmas Day fell on a Sunday, people still had to go to work on Monday. I was pleasantly surprised by the Australian practice. Not only is the 26th of December a national holiday [Boxing Day] but if any holiday fell on a Sunday, they got the next day off in lieu of the "double holiday". The "normal working week" was from Monday to Friday. Say 9 AM to 4 or 5 PM. Even if working on the minimum legal wage, if they chose to work outside these hours, they got more per hour for working outside of "normal working hours". If they chose to work on a Saturday, they got 1.5 times their normal hourly rate. On a Sunday, twice their hourly rate, or a "double time" loading. On a public holiday, "triple time" or 3 times their normal hourly rate. Management staff were paid a salary, not an hourly rate, and they were expected to be willing to work outside of "normal" hours. Of course, supermarkets and most other shops only were open 9 to 5, and closed on weekends. So an unmarried worker might have to shop during morning "tea break" (15 minutes), lunch (one hour) or afternoon "tea break" (15 minutes). A few years later, Thursday evening shopping was introduced when the shops stayed open until 7 or 8 PM. In the US at the time one had to work for a given employer for a year before even being allowed an annual holiday of two weeks. At that time, the annual paid holiday here was 4 to 6 weeks. Perhaps not that unusual in other countries, but in Australia someone going on as 4 to 6 weeks holiday got a "leave loading". 15%, from memory. So if a worker at the time was making, say, the equivalent of US$ 4 an hour, the time he spent on holiday was calculated at an hourly rate [for the standard working week] wasn't 35 hours at $4 an hour, but $4.60 an hour. So if he was going on a six week paid holiday, he would get $4.60 * 35 * 6. To save readers reaching for their calculators, he was normally working for $4 an hour for a 35 hour week, which was $140 a week. Workers were normally paid fortnightly [every two weeks] so his he would be paid this amount less federal tax. [No state tax, no social security tax] Before tax, therefore, $280 a fortnight. In cash. Holiday pay, though, as stated above, this would be $4.60 * 35 * 6 gross, before tax, $966. [or the equivalent of $161 a week, or $322 a fortnight, before tax] I don't remember the details of the federal tax payable at the time. Still a goodly amount in those days, paid in advance, in cash of course, before he left for his holiday. Thus, he was paid more for his holiday time than his normal working rate. Why? Well many workers, especially tradesmen, normally worked some overtime. So the 15% holiday loading compensated him for the lost opportunities for overtime when on holiday. So if any readers wonder why Australia was then known as a paradise for workers, now you should know. :-) Today, though, things are rather different. There are "workplace agreements" which have changed these conditions. However, they do have some benefits. Stores and other businesses can afford to stay open longer. The workers get a higher wage or salary to compensate for lost benefits. On the other hand, some employers draw up rather tough agreements, and this is an issue in today's Federal election. With luck, the results will be pretty predictable by tomorrow [Sunday] However, some seats will be closely contested, so we might not have a final result for a week or more. Someone will probably criticize my post for providing too much [or too little] information. Still, the upshot of all this is that Australia is still a fine place to live and work. Potential immigrants should know this, but I won't bother to cross post. Have already suggested that they follow this group as well as theirs, after all, a word to the wise should be sufficient. _verbum sapienti (sat est)_ 'a word (is enough) to the wise' (abbr. verb. sap.). http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/d.../d0013520.html or http://tinyurl.com/2fgoln Anyway, thanks again for the post. With a bit of luck, we might see some today from Yanks in the U.S.A.:-) Cheers, Kangaroo16 R. belgium "kangaroo16" schreef in bericht ... Hi, group! Returning to the net after a break. Still no additional posts appearing here. As I think that this group is worthwhile, will contribute one for the enjoyment [or censure...] of any readers worldwide. Friday here, Federal election here tomorrow. We. in Australia, may know which party wins in a couple of days, or possibly a week from now. That is the way the system works here. I don't propose to try to try to explain it, although it is one of the "fairest" systems I that I know of. Of course, as anyone who reads my posts will probably know, I can be a bit "sardonic" about any or all "elections", here or in the U.S., U.K. or anywhere else for that matter A matter of vocabulary...and out of kindness I wont mention any names, of For the benefit of readers who might have not the word in their vocabulary, [including a couple of possibilities who spring to mind] I will, of course, give a definition. After all, every human has some learning potential. ----- Adjective * S: (adj) sardonic (disdainfully or ironically humorous; scornful and mocking) "his rebellion is the bitter, sardonic laughter of all great satirists"- Frank Schoenberner; "a wry pleasure to be...reminded of all that one is missing"- Irwin Edman \ http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sardonic I, of course, am only being mildly sardonic in my relationships with some posters on this group, who shall not be named, of course. :-) Actually, I am a fairly "polite kangaroo" unless some posters want to accuse me of lying, directly or indirectly However, I think that I might cope with them in much way that our pet cat copes with the odd flea. I don't threaten anyone else on groups, with an "express" or "implied" threat. Perhaps this is due to my belief that I.S.P.severs keep a record of all posts for seven years or so. Unlikely? ... You might as well ask me if someone from our part of the world, say an Australian, might choose to live in, say a place such as the southwest U.S., such as Texas. Still, a lot of things are possible. Do bears defecate in the woods? Could a Pope be female? Life is full of similar surprises, after all! The universe includes lots of stars, perhaps lots of habitable planets. It seems to have been around a long time. Given a possible infinity of worlds, and enough time, almost anything is "possible". Including a large variety of possibly sentient beings, with a large variety of possible "personalities". To go back the other way, even in a spiral arm of our particular galaxy, remote from the galactic centre, there is a minor star, that we call the "sun", with a number of "planets" orbiting around it. Eight or nine, depending on whether one considers "Pluto" as a planet. One of these, which we call "Earth" contains a truly astonishing variety of life. Even the apparently dominant genus and species known as "Homo sapiens". Over 6.5 billion of us. One would think that we could somehow manage to get along with one another. Yet we obviously cannot, or there wouldn't be any wars. Can even a comparatively small subset of "humans" with Internet access manage to "get along"? If the reader thinks so, have a look at "Usenet". Or even this particular group. A very small sub,sub, sub, set. How many on rec.travel.australia+nz? Perhaps a thousand or two humans even read it, as a generous estimate. How many regularly post on it? 1,000 at best, perhaps. Can these1,000 humans possibly "get along" with one another? It doesn't seem so, does it? Not to mention any names, but most of these seem unable to even tolerate, let alone understand, one another. If a group of 1,500 [at most] cannot manage to do so, is it any wonder that humans have wars? For example, in the U.S. "Civil War" was there actually much difference between the average American residing north or south of the Mason-Dixon line? Face it, folks. If Americans could not get along with one another, historically at least, how can we hope to get along with the rest of the world? Anyone willing to comment on this post? ...Or is just too hard for most of you? Cheers, Kangaroo16 |
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:16:26 +0100, "maxi"
wrote: snip almost 170 days since elections: no goverment yet. (we go for the guiness record)...Blame it on the french part, and.. no, we don't want to join the netherlands. Not even one day since ours and we already have a result. We'll have a new government as soon as the Labor leader, Kevin Rudd can present himself to the Governor-General. Presumably that will happen on Monday. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest |
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:09:22 +1100, Alan S
wrote in : On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:16:26 +0100, "maxi" wrote: snip almost 170 days since elections: no goverment yet. (we go for the guiness record)...Blame it on the french part, and.. no, we don't want to join the netherlands. Not even one day since ours and we already have a result. We'll have a new government as soon as the Labor leader, Kevin Rudd can present himself to the Governor-General. Presumably that will happen on Monday. So you stayed up to get the result as well, Alan! I thought that it might be news tomorrow, or even later, as I thought that it might have been a bit closer. I was willing to stay up to midnight or so, and was a bit surprised when John Howard conceded defeat on the 11 PM news on the ABC with only around 76% of the vote in. As I wrote in an earlier post, I don't anticipate any great change in travel or immigration policies. What are your feelings on this? Cheers, Kangaroo16 Cheers, Alan, Australia |
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:46:01 GMT, kangaroo16
wrote: wrote in : On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:16:26 +0100, "maxi" wrote: snip almost 170 days since elections: no goverment yet. (we go for the guiness record)...Blame it on the french part, and.. no, we don't want to join the netherlands. Not even one day since ours and we already have a result. We'll have a new government as soon as the Labor leader, Kevin Rudd can present himself to the Governor-General. Presumably that will happen on Monday. So you stayed up to get the result as well, Alan! I thought that it might be news tomorrow, or even later, as I thought that it might have been a bit closer. I was willing to stay up to midnight or so, and was a bit surprised when John Howard conceded defeat on the 11 PM news on the ABC with only around 76% of the vote in. As I wrote in an earlier post, I don't anticipate any great change in travel or immigration policies. What are your feelings on this? Cheers, Kangaroo16 Thank you for the brevity. He has won this election on a mainly "me-too" set of policies in areas other than three key issues. Those are withdrawal from Iraq, industrial relations and signing Kyoto. On almost all other matters Rudd has indicated little change is intended. However, I suspect that he will be a bit less tough on illegal immigrants and boat people. I sincerely hope he keeps his promises on economic issues. Past performance by Labor governments doesn't fill one with confidence in that department. I note that the AU$ dropped 6c over the past two weeks. Possibly that was just coincidental with the realisation that Labor was going to win, but I doubt it. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest |
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:13:30 +1100, Alan S
wrote in : On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:46:01 GMT, kangaroo16 wrote: wrote in : [snip] As I wrote in an earlier post, I don't anticipate any great change in travel or immigration policies. What are your feelings on this? Cheers, Kangaroo16 Thank you for the brevity. Thank you for not being rude and impolite in your requests. Perhaps I should keep posts a bit more brief, although I might compensate for this by sending more posts. He has won this election on a mainly "me-too" set of policies in areas other than three key issues. Those are withdrawal from Iraq, industrial relations and signing Kyoto. I agree with you here! It will be interesting to see the results of the next U.S. election. I think that the Supreme Court decision on the 2nd amendment is going to be a major issue, though. Lets hope that this is all it is. :-( There are worse possible outcomes. I notice that some major parties around the world are tending to be less extreme and jockeying for a more centrist position. On almost all other matters Rudd has indicated little change is intended. However, I suspect that he will be a bit less tough on illegal immigrants and boat people. Quite possibly he will be. Still, I wouldn't be suprised if we eventually found out that there are more illegal immigrants that come in by air than on boats. Either smuggled into remote airstrips or simply overstaying their visas. I also wonder how many U.S. military people deserted while here on R&R leave during the Vietnam war. I'm here legally, but in decades here I've only been asked to produce my passport & visa around ten times, at a guess. It would be interesting to know how often Australians visiting the U.S., studying there, or working there are asked. I sincerely hope he keeps his promises on economic issues. Past performance by Labor governments doesn't fill one with confidence in that department. True, especially the "banana republic" speech by then Treasurer Paul Keating. I bet it didn't long for that news to flash around the world, and it resulted in a dramatic drop in the A$ at the time. Still, to be fair, the world is now a global economy, and whoever is in power they cannot really exert much influence. As indicated by the world economics of the sub-prime mortgage fiasco in the U.S.A. Both the U.K. and Australian markets, and banks, have reacted to this. Some U.K. banks, such as Northern Rock seem to be in a lot of trouble. Have you been following this saga? If not, check the news, or even the blogs on the BBC site, such as: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/ Nor do we know yet how it will all play out in the U.S. At least two factors to watch here. Firstly, we don't currently know just how much exposure they have to the sub-prime crisis. Secondly, a lot of home buyers there have been sucked into loans that involve a very low "honeymoon" period where their repayments are lower than market rates for a few months. In the next few months, though, their monthly payments are likely to dramatically increase. As the old saying goes, "There is no such thing as a free lunch." The US$ is dropping, setting new lows in relation to the Euro. Gold is still going up, as is the price of crude oil, which is flirting with a price of nearly $US 100 a barrel. Not good news for petrol prices, and also remember that in many parts of the US home heating is a necessity in winter and many are dependant on heating oil or L.P.G. Earlier today I listened to an interesting program on ABC Radio National which featured a speech by a U.S. Economist discussing the current and historical political system in the U.S.A. -------------------- Sunday 25 November 2007 Listen Now - 25112007 | Where is the Middle Class? Princeton Professor of Economics Paul Krugman talks about how the New Deal society has been dismantled in America, and the reasons for it. He brings it back to a revival of Southern issues about race being used by the 'Movement Conservatives' to undo various social policies during the present administration. Paul Krugman is also a writer and columnist for the New York Times. ------------------------ Readers can listen to it at: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/ I don't know how long it will be before a transcript is available. Lots of interesting info in it though, including his comment that most Americans feel they are in the "middle class", and most don't know much about the rest of the world. If you or other readers have time to listen to it, or read the transcript when it appears, I, for one, would like see their reactions posted. I think it fair to say that some Americans will find it very controversial. As things still very slow on these groups, have been looking around a bit this morning. Found a very interesting news item which hadn't seen on other sites, although a few days old. --------------------- SA premier wages war on bikies as 'terrorists' Article from: The Courier-Mail November 21, 2007 12:00am "BIKIE gangs such as the Hells Angels, the Gypsy Jokers and the Finks will be banned in South Australia under new laws the State Government says are the toughest in the world. Premier Mike Rann, pictured, yesterday declared bikie gangs "terrorists within our community", saying they are involved in drug trafficking, murder, extortion, intimidation and firearms smuggling. "This is an evil within our nation and we in South Australia intend to lead Australia in the fight against bikie gangs," he said. . . . [Details at] http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...95-421,00.html Alternatively, http://tinyurl.com/38yuwr I note that the AU$ dropped 6c over the past two weeks. Possibly that was just coincidental with the realisation that Labor was going to win, but I doubt it. Perhaps, although the sub-prime crisis is still causing a lot of nervousness on both stock markets and currency exchange rates. Consider, too, that countries like China have a lot of money tied up in US Gov't securities. In addition, the oil producing countries are still pricing oil in US dollars. If you and others dig around the business and financial news, there is some concern that both may decide that the Euro may a better choice. Cheers, Kangaroo16 Cheers, Alan, Australia |
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kangaroo16 wrote:
It will be interesting to see the results of the next U.S. election. I think that the Supreme Court decision on the 2nd amendment is going to be a major issue, though. Please enlighten me as to which Supreme Court decision you are referring. In my rarely humble opinion, the gun problem in the US is due to candy-ass judges not sentencing perps who use guns to hard time in the slammer. Gun ownership is available in Australia. But use one to commit a crime and you get a "Go directly to Jail, Do Not Pass GO, and Do Not Collect $200" card and there are no "Get Out of Jail Free" cards. The US Judiciary needs Judge Attitude Training from the Aussies, the Brits, etc. Dick |
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