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France, the culture wars over head scarves
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:06:55 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote: Earl Evleth writes: Whatever, the issue is not simple, the culture war wages. The only party without an opinion is God. Did she tell you that? ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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Earl Evleth staggered to the nearest keyboard and
wrote: Are you aware of the anti-Hispanic sentiment in the USA!! My wife is a first-generation Hispanic immigrant, so yes. There is no denying that there is some anti-Hispanic sentiment in the USA. But it is not widespread beyond a few redneck elements and is certainly not officially sanctioned. My in-laws have never had any trouble outside of an incident at a gas station many years ago in the deep South. At the risk of opening a new can of worms, I suspect that anti-Hispanic sentiment in the USA is comparable to anti-Semitism in France: there's no denying it exists to some extent, but it appears more wide and deep from the outside than from the inside. Language protectionism is pretty strong, Anglos don`t want any instruction in Spanish. Which Anglos? Maybe a few protectionists. The "English-only" movement is generally regarded as a fringe group. In fact Spanish is by far the most commonly studied foreign language in the USA. Languages don`t need protecting, they take a course of evolution which is largely uncontrolled by those who speak it. Agreed. But try telling that to the Academie Française. :-) -- hambu n hambu hodo |
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In article ,
"Donna Evleth" wrote: Dans l'article , B a écrit : As far as I'm concerned, the government should make no rules about the wearing of any religious garb unless absolutely necessary. I can see that it would be necessary to forbid the wearing of a face veil for an identity card photo and it might be necessary to forbid wearing a Roman toga while on duty as a firefighter. However, in the case of headscarves (or yarmulkes) in school, I don't see any reason why the government or the school should have anything to say about it. The fact that many Muslims don't want to wear veils is irrelevant. If many young Catholics don't want to go to Mass, the government has no reason to outlaw going to Mass. One of the problems in the schools involves course material. The scarves are not really compatible with physical education (required in France as it is in the US) or with chemistry labs. Chemistry is optional, depending on the student, but physical education is not. The physical education requirement has often been gotten around by the family providing false medical certificates, so that the girls will be excused from PE, so that they don't have to remove their scarves at any time. I don't approve of this. I do not approve of a law banning the headscarves, but I do feel that everyone should respect the school curriculum. Donna Evleth Do you think they should have to remove the scarf to get a picture for a driver's license ? jay Thu, Dec 11, 2003 -- Legend insists that as he finished his abject... Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move." |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:28:33 +0100, Earl Evleth
wrote: Language protectionism is pretty strong, Anglos don`t want any instruction in Spanish. If you are talking about formal bilingual education programs, they were a failed experiment in California. They did not die because anglos were protecting the English language. They died because English immersion is more effective, and teachers and administrators are increasingly being evaluated (and funded) according to standardized testing results. Gordon |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:43:58 +0100, Earl Evleth
wrote: On 11/12/03 18:45, in article , "Charles Hawtrey" wrote: Language protectionism is pretty strong, Anglos don`t want any instruction in Spanish. Which Anglos? Maybe a few protectionists. The "English-only" movement is generally regarded as a fringe group. In fact Spanish is by far the most commonly studied foreign language in the USA. I thought the reaction in California was fairly strong? California voters and legislators have turned down attempts to discriminate against Hispanics and Spanish. In fact, the recently recalled governor, Grey Davis, was elected to office against a previous governor who had expressed favor of a law to limit Hispanic rights (i.e., those of non-citizens). That is not to say there is not a group of California curmudgeons who regard the Hispanics with panic. ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:50:22 GMT, Gordon Forbess
wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:28:33 +0100, Earl Evleth wrote: Language protectionism is pretty strong, Anglos don`t want any instruction in Spanish. If you are talking about formal bilingual education programs, they were a failed experiment in California. They did not die because anglos were protecting the English language. They died because English immersion is more effective, and teachers and administrators are increasingly being evaluated (and funded) according to standardized testing results. Bilingual education is also now out in Arizona as well, save for certain cases. As in California, a significant part of the Hispanic population is opposed to bilingual education as being totally ineffective in serving the needs of their children. ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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Dans l'article , B a écrit : As far as I'm concerned, the government should make no rules about the wearing of any religious garb unless absolutely necessary. I can see that it would be necessary to forbid the wearing of a face veil for an identity card photo and it might be necessary to forbid wearing a Roman toga while on duty as a firefighter. However, in the case of headscarves (or yarmulkes) in school, I don't see any reason why the government or the school should have anything to say about it. The fact that many Muslims don't want to wear veils is irrelevant. If many young Catholics don't want to go to Mass, the government has no reason to outlaw going to Mass. One of the problems in the schools involves course material. The scarves are not really compatible with physical education (required in France as it is in the US) or with chemistry labs. Chemistry is optional, depending on the student, but physical education is not. The physical education requirement has often been gotten around by the family providing false medical certificates, so that the girls will be excused from PE, so that they don't have to remove their scarves at any time. I don't approve of this. I do not approve of a law banning the headscarves, but I do feel that everyone should respect the school curriculum. Donna Evleth |
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