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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
Dear allies, welcome to the age of digital fascism... :
Millions of visitors from some of the United States' closest allies soon will have to be fingerprinted and photographed before entering the country, U.S. officials said yesterday. Officials said the requirements of the U.S. VISIT program will be expanded this fall to cover about 13 million travelers each year from 27 countries, including Australia, Britain and Japan, whose citizens are allowed to travel within the United States for as many as 90 days without a visa. The program -- an effort to track down criminals, suspected terrorists and travelers who overstay visas -- began Jan. 5 and now applies mainly to about 19 million visitors each year from Central and South America, Africa and Asia. The expansion, which will take effect by Sept. 30, means only diplomats and travelers from Mexico and Canada will not be fingerprinted and photographed when they enter the United States through 115 airports and 14 seaports, said Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security at the Department of Homeland Security. ... Here is a list of the 27 countries in the Visa Waiver Program whose citizens will have to be photographed and fingerprinted on arrival in the United States under a new program announced today. Andorra Austria AUSTRALIA Belgium Brunei Denmark Finland France Germany Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Liechtenstein Luxembourg Monaco Netherlands New Zealand Norway PORTUGAL San Marino Singapore Slovenia SPAIN Sweden Switzerland UNITED KINGDOM U.S. Will Fingerprint 13 Million More in Fall - Visitors From Close Allies To Be Photographed, Too - By Christopher Lee and Sara Kehaulani Goo - Washington Post Staff Writers - Saturday, April 3, 2004; Page A01 ----- Air America: The greatest CIA-operation ever !!! |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:27:28 +0200 Oelewapper said...
The expansion, which will take effect by Sept. 30, means only diplomats and travelers from Mexico and Canada will not be fingerprinted and photographed when they enter the United States through 115 airports and 14 seaports, said Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security at the Department of Homeland Security. ... So presumably the easiest way to get in to the US without these stupid fingerprint and photograph checks is to say fly in to Canada and cross over the border by road.... -- Phil Richards London |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
Oelewapper schrieb: snip The expansion, which will take effect by Sept. 30, means only diplomats and travelers from Mexico and Canada will not be fingerprinted and photographed when they enter the United States Don't these countries make up the majority of people entering the US? |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
And the American's wonder why US airlines are going broke? This looks like
the final nail in the coffin for UA and AA. When will George ever wake up and realise he's not John Wayne.. "Oelewapper" wrote in message ... Dear allies, welcome to the age of digital fascism... : Millions of visitors from some of the United States' closest allies soon will have to be fingerprinted and photographed before entering the country, U.S. officials said yesterday. Officials said the requirements of the U.S. VISIT program will be expanded this fall to cover about 13 million travelers each year from 27 countries, including Australia, Britain and Japan, whose citizens are allowed to travel within the United States for as many as 90 days without a visa. The program -- an effort to track down criminals, suspected terrorists and travelers who overstay visas -- began Jan. 5 and now applies mainly to about 19 million visitors each year from Central and South America, Africa and Asia. The expansion, which will take effect by Sept. 30, means only diplomats and travelers from Mexico and Canada will not be fingerprinted and photographed when they enter the United States through 115 airports and 14 seaports, said Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security at the Department of Homeland Security. ... Here is a list of the 27 countries in the Visa Waiver Program whose citizens will have to be photographed and fingerprinted on arrival in the United States under a new program announced today. Andorra Austria AUSTRALIA Belgium Brunei Denmark Finland France Germany Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Liechtenstein Luxembourg Monaco Netherlands New Zealand Norway PORTUGAL San Marino Singapore Slovenia SPAIN Sweden Switzerland UNITED KINGDOM U.S. Will Fingerprint 13 Million More in Fall - Visitors From Close Allies To Be Photographed, Too - By Christopher Lee and Sara Kehaulani Goo - Washington Post Staff Writers - Saturday, April 3, 2004; Page A01 ----- Air America: The greatest CIA-operation ever !!! |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
Just listened to a report on BBC Radio4, and well, after thoughtful
consideration... even if it means giving in to Bush & Ashcroft and their lousy Patriot Act / TIA program, I would probably settle for the so-called "compromise": http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/li...a_20040403.ram Better have people's fingerprints taken at US airports without the so-called 'new generation of biometric EU-passports' (in my case simply meaning no longer visiting the US), rather than having no fingerprints taken at US airports in exchange for the EU member countries having biometric passports imposed on them by the present (fascist ?) regime in Washington ... ----- Air America: The greatest CIA-operation ever !!! |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:56:26 -0700, "Gary L. Dare"
wrote: Marie Lewis wrote: They were not going to the USA, or even entering Spain. They lived there. Like the 911 culprits. And they had full visas. Actually, better than the 9/11 culprits since some of the Spain conspirators are/were permanent residents or naturalized citizens, plus a couple of native Spaniards of the criminal persuasion who supplied them but did not know what the ultimate goal was. The 9/11 culprits had visitor visa overstayers as well as some on valid visas. I don't know if the news ever made it across the pond but the US has seen nearly 40 US citizens convicted in terror-related cases including the "Portland Seven" and the "Buffalo Eight" - 14 out of 15 were born Americans, native-born like the eight apprehended last week in the UK and the one in Canada ... Even with electronic monitoring by all of the wealthy countries, all would have been allowed entry to home. gld Here's a couple of ways the CIA and FBI failed the public. I don't believe that the CIA and FBI had hardly enough Arab translators. All the FBI is concerned with is a quick criminal prosecution. The FBI should have made an attempt to turn one or more of the Buffalo Eight in order to gather intelligence on Al Quada. |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:17:46 -0400, Stephen Harding
wrote: Representative government means just that; *my* Senator or Congressman should reflect *my* concerns, not the citizens of France. If he does, then he pays the political price for not doing what *I* want him to do. Well, I hope most of his constituents want him not act as if the US is in a world of its own. To be more specific, maybe every poster on rta isn't entitled to have his beliefs stated and considered by the US government but I believe governments should have a voice in how their citizens are treated at immigration in other countries. Freedom travel is essential to getting business done and I personally think it's right up there with other major human freedoms. In that sense your congressman should indeed consider the concerns of the gov't of France and a bunch of other countries. |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
nobody wrote:
But if a government captures your own body's information (fingerprints, DNA, eye retina scan etc), then they "own" part of your body/identity. Ahhh, those commies are trying to affect the "purity of my vital bodily fluids". ** (** General Jack D. Ripper - from Dr. Strangelove.) |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"
Chad Irby wrote:
James Robinson wrote: "Big Brother" is not restricted to totalitarian regimes. Again, being a democracy, does it make it better that they take photos and fingerprints from everybody? But I don't see you complaining about the *real* Big Brother problem of all of the security cameras in England... I don't consider that a particular problem, since they aren't automatically tracking my whereabouts. It is no worse than the systems already in place in the US. Have you looked at the ceiling in your local Walmart to see how many cameras they have? The problem I have with taking fingerprints is that they are specifically using them to track people, and marry up to central databases of info on what I read in libraries, who I send Emails to, and what I purchase with my credit card. That is a much more insidious agenda than simply replacing the beat policeman's eyes with a camera. Good idea. Let's all pass out assault weapons so the terrorists can get hold of them more easily. And don't register them, so you can't find them. Another fool who thinks that outlawing and/or registering firearms will keep criminals and terrorists from getting them... My intent was to expose the inconsistency in your argument. You have no problem with the government tracking peoples movements and maintaining a database on your activities, but complain about the simple registration of firearms, when you acknowledge that is a waste of time. |
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Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors!!!"
Stephen Harding wrote:
Well the US and Europe are going their separate ways. I'm hoping the divorce is a rapid one personally, and certainly better for both I've come to believe. There is an old saying that people who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it. In the case of isolationism, the US has tried that numerous times before, and has thoroughly regretted it each time. You had better rethink you position. |
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