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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
...From the perspective of the Kurdish people -- and I dare say the majority of the Iraqi people -- it was worth it, he said. War is never a good option, but given our history and the brutality of Saddams regime, it may have been the only other option to end the genocidal campaign waged by Saddam... ....All Iraqis lived under a regime that had complete disdain for human life, he said. Executions and killings continued at will. Thousands of Iraqis were being sent to the mass graves.. Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around.... google any part of the above if you are really interested to hear anything about this from the Iraqi perspective |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ПеаБраин wrote:
Bloomberg 04/08/13: *"Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi" “...From the perspective of the Kurdish people -- and I dare say the majority of the Iraqi people -- it was worth it,” he said. “War is never a good option, but given our history and the brutality of Saddam’s regime, it may have been the only other option to end the genocidal campaign waged by Saddam... ...“All Iraqis lived under a regime that had complete disdain for human life,” he said. “Executions and killings continued at will. Thousands of Iraqis were being sent to the mass graves.. Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around....” The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! Yet we have not invaded! google any part of the above if you are really interested *to hear anything about this from the Iraqi perspective |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir
wrote: On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote: Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around.... The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! Yet we have not invaded! The Turks have not dropped poison gas on them either... |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Apr 11, 6:06*am, Bill wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote: Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around.... The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! * Yet we have not invaded! The Turks have not dropped poison gas on them either... You don't think they have bombed villages; by the way we gave those poison gases to Saddam! |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:40:42 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir
wrote: On Apr 11, 6:06*am, Bill wrote: On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote: Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around.... The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! * Yet we have not invaded! The Turks have not dropped poison gas on them either... You don't think they have bombed villages; In Turkey? I don't know but I doubt it. by the way we gave those poison gases to Saddam! Cite please. While lots of people talk about nerve gas being used in the Halabja gas attacks all the casualties treated by anyone only showed the symptoms of Mustard Gas poisoning. Using the Levinstein Process you can make the filthy stuff in quantity in any small chemical works. The precursors are freely available in quantity in the international chemical market, although anyone buying a few of tonnes of disulphur dichloride these days may cause some raised eyebrows and a couple of sleepless nights in the intelligence agencies of the world... But if you have a synthetic fabric industry in the country it'll be there in quantity anyway... |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Apr 11, 11:49*am, Bill wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:40:42 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 11, 6:06*am, Bill wrote: On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote: Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around.... The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! * Yet we have not invaded! The Turks have not dropped poison gas on them either... You don't think they have bombed villages; In Turkey? I don't know but I doubt it. *by the way we gave those poison gases to Saddam! Cite please. http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html Personal meeting between Saddam and Rumsfeld American poison gas for Saddam, courtesy of Rumsfeld By Daan de Wit This article has been translated into English by Marienella Meulensteen By having a personal meeting with Saddam Hussein in 1983, the American Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld took care of it that American companies started to deliver poison gas to Iraq. He cleared the way 'for U.S. companies to sell Baghdad biological and chemical weapons components, including anthrax and bubonic plague cultures, according to newly declassified U.S. Government documents', as it is to be read in The Times. 'Mr Rumsfelds 90-minute meeting with Saddam, preceded by a warm handshake [...] was captured on film [...]'. See the footage at the bottom of this article. The policy of the U.S. lasted until just before the attack on Kuwait The Washington Post writes: 'Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.' The Times: 'The policy was followed with such vigour over the next seven years that on July 25, 1990, only one week before Saddam invaded Kuwait, the U.S. Ambassador to Baghdad met Saddam to assure him that President Bush wanted better and deeper relations.' That same Ambassador, April Glaspie, gave Saddam the green light for the invasion of Kuwait (see this DeepJournal). U.S. main supplier Saddam 'To prevent Iraqi defeat in the Iran-Iraq war, which was started by Iraq and lasted from 1980 to 1988, the Reagan Administration began supplying Saddam with battlefield intelligence on Iranian troop movements. By the end of the decade, Washington had authorised the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications. These included poisonous chemicals and biological viruses, among them anthrax and bubonic plague.' Up to this day, the Americans have problems to keep the Plague inside their laboratories. Today it became known that the lost Plague samples from the Texan university have been found again.'According to an affidavit sworn by Howard Teicher, a former National Security Council official during the Reagan Administration, the U.S. actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third-country arms sales to Iraq to make sure Iraq had the military weaponry required. Mr. Teicher said that William Casey, the former CIA Director, used a Chilean front company to supply Baghdad with cluster bombs.' Anthrax 'A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee disclosed that dozens of biological agents were shipped to Iraq in the mid-1980s under license from the U.S. Commerce Department, including strains of anthrax. Anthrax has been identified by the Pentagon as a key component of Saddams biological weapons program.' Anthrax, the stuff that scared everyone so much some time ago (except for Vice President Cheney, because he had been vaccinated long before) because Al Qaida was sending it around, until it became known that it originated from an American army laboratory. Halabja 'In November 1983, a month before Mr. Rumsfelds first visit to Baghdad, George Shultz, the Secretary of State, was given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops were resorting to almost daily use of CW (chemical weapons) against the Iranians.' The Times as well as the Washington Post cite in this connection the well-known poison gas attack on the Kurds in Halabja, but that was alleged to have been committed by Iran and not by Irak. See part one in this series http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/...mical-weapons/ headline: The Ties That Blind How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons How Reagan Armed Saddam with Chemical Weapons by NORM DIXON On August 18, 2002, the New York Times carried a front-page story headlined, "Officers say U.S. aided Iraq despite the use of gas". Quoting anonymous US "senior military officers", the NYT "revealed" that in the 1980s, the administration of US President Ronald Reagan covertly provided "critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war". The story made a brief splash in the international media, then died. While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraqs 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagans Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regimes repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraqs Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. excerpt: A 1994 US Senate report revealed that US companies were licenced by the commerce department to export a "witchs brew" of biological and chemical materials, including bacillus anthracis (which causes anthrax) and clostridium botulinum (the source of botulism). The American Type Culture Collection made 70 shipments of the anthrax bug and other pathogenic agents. The report also noted that US exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare facilities and chemical warhead filling equipment. US firms supplied advanced and specialised computers, lasers, testing and analysing equipment. Among the better-known companies were Hewlett Packard, Unisys, Data General and Honeywell. Billions of dollars worth of raw materials, machinery and equipment, missile technology and other "dual-use" items were also supplied by West German, French, Italian, British, Swiss and Austrian corporations, with the approval of their governments (German firms even sold Iraq entire factories capable of mass-producing poison gas). Much of this was purchased with funds freed by the US CCC credits. The destination of much of this equipment was Saad 16, near Mosul in northern Iraq. Western intelligence agencies had long known that the sprawling complex was Iraqs main ballistic missile development centre. Blum reported that Washington was fully aware of the likely use of this material. In 1992, a US Senate committee learned that the commerce department had deleted references to military end-use from information it sent to Congress about 68 export licences, worth more than $1 billion. In 1986, the US defence departments deputy undersecretary for trade security, Stephen Bryen, had objected to the export of an advanced computer, similar to those used in the US missile program, to Saad 16 because "of the high likelihood of military end use". The state and commerce departments approved the sale without conditions. In his book, The Death Lobby: How the West Armed Iraq, Kenneth Timmerman points out that several US agencies were supposed to review US exports that may be detrimental to US "national security". However, the commerce department often did not submit exports to Husseins Iraq for review or approved them despite objections from other government departments. On March 16, 1988, Iraqi forces launched a poison gas attack on the Iraqi Kurdish village of Halabja, killing 5000 people. While that attack is today being touted by senior US officials as one of the main reasons why Hussein must now be "taken out", at the time Washingtons response to the atrocity was much more relaxed. Just four months later, Washington stood by as the US giant Bechtel corporation won the contract to build a huge petrochemical plant that would give the Hussein regime the capacity to generate chemical weapons. ... While lots of people talk about nerve gas being used in the Halabja gas attacks all the casualties treated by anyone only showed the symptoms of Mustard Gas poisoning. Using the Levinstein Process you can make the filthy stuff in quantity in any small chemical works. The precursors are freely available in quantity in the international chemical market, although anyone buying a few of tonnes of disulphur dichloride these days may cause some raised eyebrows and a couple of sleepless nights in the intelligence agencies of the world... But if you have a synthetic fabric industry in the country it'll be there in quantity anyway...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask anI...
chatnoir wrote;
...by the way we gave those poison gases to Saddam! Did US companies sell Iraq commerical insecticides, common commerical chemicals and medical research biological materials which can also produce vaccines. Yes we did. But when to comes to commercial insecticides and common commercial chemicals we are pretty low on the list for the bad guys. The big player here which people like you never heard of or mention are the West Germany companies like Karl Kolb (google it) that *built*, *equipped* and *supplied* *Seven* Chemical Weapons Plants in Iraq! The German Company Karl Kolb that is specialized in equipping chemical laboratories played a crucial role in supplying the defunct regime over the past 30 years with toxic chemical materials through a middleman who helped Dr Amir al-Sa'di. And actually the Italians built the 1st CW Plant. Try not believing everything below just use it as a guide to *Factually* check out their claims. If you do you might not like the results. ---------------------------------------------- And as far as the US sending "biological materials" to Iraq here's a good place to start. "It is inaccurate to state that the ATCC shipments of biological materials during the 1980s constituted "arming" the Iraqis with "WMDs." Most of the biological materials in question that are distributed from these clearinghouses go into legitimate medical research (obviously many BW agents have their origins in horrific animal diseases that occur in nature). This is why those strains were dual-use items subject to Commerce Department jurisdiction, and not military articles subject to approval by State. Moreover, the samples were not themselves suitable for use in direct biological warfare applications; a great deal of additional R&D work must be done in order create a "weaponized" strain. These samples were stepping stones to a weapon, in the same way that certain kinds of fertilizer are stepping stones to a car bomb. This is not the same as shipping filled warheads full of anthrax from Maryland to Baghdad." ------------------------------------------ The British government also financed a chlorine factory that was intended to be used for manufacturing mustard gas. Many other countries contributed as well; since Iraq's nuclear program in the early 1980s was officially viewed internationally as for energy production, not weapons, there were no UN prohibitions against it. An Austrian company gave Iraq calutrons for enriching uranium. The nation also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, which can hardly be said to be for energy. Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gases to Iraq. The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gases to Iraq. Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions. India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gases. Luxembourg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors. Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq's chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales. China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare. Portugal provided yellowcake between 1980 and 1982. Niger provided yellowcake in 1981." [BTW 550 metric tons of Yellowcake Uranium was found in Iraq after the 1st Gulf War. It was sold to Canada by Iraq a few years ago to process for commercial use. The US supplied security and transport] -------------------------------------------- www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html Iraqi Scientist Reports on German, Other Help for Iraq Chemical Weapons Program Al Zaman (London) December 1, 2003 Article by Dr Khalil Ibrahim Al Isa, a nuclear science researcher, in Paris: Fresh information on the Iraqi chemical program; Iraqi money and German brains cooperated in building chemical weapons (FBIS Translated Text) Historically, the Germans have been the uncontested masters in the discovery, production, and development of lethal poison gases used in warfare, such as mustard gas that is identified by the chemical compound symbol of C1Ch2-Ch2-S-Ch2-Ch2CI. This gas was discovered by German scientists and was first used in 1917. There is also the nerve gas Tabun that was discovered in 1937 by the German scientist G-Farden. Later, a similar gaseous chemical compound called the nerve gas Sarin was discovered. These two gases are highly effective in totally paralyzing muscle movement. In other words, the nervous system is totally paralyzed and this paralysis leads to involuntary bowel movements that ultimately lead to the death of the victim within minutes. German scientists also discovered cyanide acid, which is a more complex chemical compound. It contains the compound Zyklon-B that was used as a weapon of annihilation in Auschwitz. During the First World War of 1914-1918, the gases used by the Germans led to the death of one million British and French soldiers. The horrific scenes of the victims drove world public opinion to impose stringent checks on the conduct of warfare in the protocol that was issued in 1925. This was the first international document that banned warring countries from using chemical and biological weapons, which were considered to be weapons of mass destruction during wartime. Unfortunately, the protocol did not stop countries from conducting scientific research and tests in this field. In 1930, more than 40 countries signed this protocol and Iraq was one of the signatories. It continued to be in force and by 1989, 165 countries had signed it. However, the countries of the world continued to violate the Geneva protocol by developing new and modern methods in the art of the mass murder and annihilation of humanity. In the middle of the 1930s, the Germans developed more types of toxic gases. The German scientist Gerharder discovered a new form of nerve gases, such as Soman and Sarin. He also developed the gas Tabun that paralyzes the muscles of the air ducts in the lungs resulting in instant death. After the second Gulf war, the major powers drafted a new treaty that was debated by the members of the Security Council in 1992 and ratified in 1993 by 162 countries, including the Arab countries of Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain. This treaty prohibited the production, proliferation, and stockpiling of chemical weapons as the world saw the tragic images of the victims of the defunct regime over one decade. The treaty also imposed restrictions and surveillance of the world's commercial trade transactions in dual-use chemical products with specifications similar to those cited in the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. The effects of the Iraqi-Iranian war (subhead) In the mid-1970s when the Ibn-al-Haytham Research and Studies Center was established, Iraq began to conduct research work to test and produce old and new poison gases. Local cadres and capabilities were devoted to this effort. International support, especially by the two parts of Germany, was crucial in activating the Iraqi chemical program. The first use by the Iraqi army of poisonous compounds appeared on the battlefield during the battles against Iran, especially during the hotly contested clashes in Hawr al-Huwazah in 1983. According to the data available to UNSCOM, there are 15 centers to produce and develop poisonous gas for military use. These are located in various regions in Iraq, especially in the areas of Samarra, Al-Fallujah, Akashat, Bayji, Al-Sharqat, and Salman Bak. Seven of these big centers have been destroyed and the rest were put under permanent surveillance. The defunct regime succeeded in establishing a complex network of companies, individuals, and countries to help it in importing what it needed from the international markets. The regime's efforts focused on importing raw materials, equipment, factories, and military industrialization technology. In fact, the Iraqi establishments made a lot of progress in this regard. They developed the production of toxic compounds, with the exception of mustard gas, such as the nerve gas Sarin, the nerve gas Tabun, and a complex material called VX. They also produced the highly toxic liquid called Toxic B that is highly destructive. They also produced gases that attack blood cells, such as hydrocyanic acid; gases that cause suffocation such as Phosgene; gases that force involuntary vomiting such as Admicit (name of gas as transliterated); tear gas such as Chloroespotophiton (name of gas as transliterated); and gases that cause hallucinations such as SD. All these poison gases are lethal and lead to paralysis. They also have a long-lasting harmful effect on the environment. They cause color mutations in plants and crops and are fatal to many types of animals and creatures. On 20 December 1998, the New York Times reported that the Security Council and the defunct regime were still in disagreement regarding the regime's claims that it had unilaterally destroyed its chemical weapons while the special commission is still seeking evidence to verify this claim. The international imports network and the German role between 1982 and 1990 (subhead) In early 1979, Iraq built the first factory to produce insecticides with the help of Italian engineers. The factory was built in the region of Akashat at a cost of $50 million. A security system was also built to protect the factory that cost another $60 million. The building of this factory experienced many problems, such as espionage attempts by the Mosad, the Israeli intelligence service. The western companies that dealt with the defunct regime -- for instance Australian and Dutch firms -- exported a lot of materials related to this field of production. For instance, the Dutch firm KBS sold Iraq large quantities of Thiodilyco (name as transliterated), a material that is essential in the production of mustard gas, at a cost of 1.5 million Marks. Multinational Italian firms also supplied Iraq with 60 tons of Oxycklorure (name as transliterated), a phosphoric material that is also used in chemical industries that can be put to dual-use. As for the French companies, they exported to Iraq large quantities of a gas (not further identified) that can be used in warfare. This gas was exported across the borders from Italy and Turkey. This transaction was concluded through the mediation of the German Company Karl Kolb. A confidential report issued on 21 August 1990 by Helmut Hossman (name as transliterated), the Economy Minister of then West Germany, confirmed that the German companies had the lion's share in these transactions. The report said that since 1983, West German companies have exported to Iraq huge quantities of raw materials, equipment, and small industrial factories to produce poison gases. The report also said that these companies participated directly in building the Sa'd Project, the Iraqi chemical project, and the construction of the military complex in Al-Taji. The role of German companies in building the Iraqi nuclear program (subhead) The German Company Karl Kolb that is specialized in equipping chemical laboratories played a crucial role in supplying the defunct regime over the past 30 years with toxic chemical materials through a middleman who helped Dr Amir al-Sa'di. Al-Sa'di prepared for his doctorate in chemistry in this institution and married a German woman. He worked in the Iraqi chemical project and was in charge of coordinating the defunct regime's transactions and requirements with the management of the Karl Kolb company. In October 1985, the operations of this company ceased by order of the German judiciary after it sold Iraq two electronic systems that test toxic gas inhalation levels. These are used in closed gas chambers where they measure toxic gas reactions with biological tissues. They also measure the level of their effect on animals, such as dogs, donkeys, and mules as well as humans. These gases were tested on prisoners that opposed the Iraqi regime. The German engineering company NPI in Frankfurt expressed its regrets for the conduct of its colleagues in Karl Kolb in providing Iraq with the necessary technology to build its program to produce poison gases. These gases were used by the Iraqi regime in its wars against its neighbors and its own people. The German companies also sold Iraq seven chemical factories and launchers that could be used as chemical weapons. The Karl Kolb company, that has been under judicial investigation and prosecution since October 1985, also built a camp near Baghdad to test six laboratory units specialized in producing chemical materials to protect plants from locusts. These were sent to the complex in Al-Samarra. In the early 1980s, engineers from NVA, an East German company, built a complex near Baghdad to test chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. It was designed like the non-conventional weapons testing center in East Germany. It is equipped to protect against radiation. It consists of special buildings that are equipped with stations to remove traces of toxicity from equipment, personnel, and military materiel. In 1984, the German economic monitoring organization gave in to pressures from German public opinion and dispatched two experts to Iraq to inspect the two factories in the Samarra complex. After they returned to their country, they expressed strong suspicions regarding the magnitude of the security systems guarding chemical factories that produce insecticides. One of them testified in the lawsuit against Karl Kolb. He now claims that he was duped at the time by the defunct regime. The Samarra Factories (subhead) The factories in the Samarra complex used to produce and stockpile the three lethal gas compounds of mustard gas, Tabun gas, and cyanide acid. Each time, the defunct regime claimed that the factories in Samarra was a complex of scientific research laboratories to produce pharmaceuticals and insecticides to protect the fluoride in the soil. German scientists estimate the production capacity of the Samarra complex at thousands of tons per year. This was also confirmed in the 1984 report published by the US Central Intelligence Agency. The report said that the factories in Sammara were producing lethal nerve gases. Later, the US government provided the German government with evidence related to the activities of this complex. The evidence was in the form of satellite images that revealed six-story buildings buried underground. The West German government rejected the evidence claiming that it did not prove anything against Iraq. This US insistence really worried the German Karl Kolb engineers and technicians that worked in the Samarra factories. They were so worried that Israel might bomb the Samarra complex that they hastened to build shelters to protect the personnel and the warehouses were the poison gases were stored. The horrible images of death of the victims of Iraq's chemical weapons in the town of Halabja in 1988 drove the West German authorities to take legal action after a lawsuit was filed against the German companies. The German federal organs to prevent customs crimes started procedures to identify the German companies that exported materials and equipment to Iraq that are used in the production of poison gases. Incriminating Evidence (subhead) The investigators gathered incriminating evidence and seized large quantities of chemical materials and equipment weighing about four tons while hundreds of witnesses testified. The West German government filed an official lawsuit in the spring of 1991 and the criminal court charged seven senior officials in the large German company of providing the defunct regime with essential components to manufacture chemical weapons in the Samarra complex and the Al-Fallujah complex. By 1989, Germany's huge role had turned Iraq into the biggest country in the Middle East producing gases that can be used in warfare. An Iraqi ambassador attending the Paris conference on chemical weapons has stated, "Iraq is now receiving a huge number of persistent requests from Third World countries that want to buy Iraqi chemical weapons". The last warning from the US intelligence services to the West German authorities came in the fall of 1990. Germany was warned about the serious dangers entailed in the sale of poisonous gases to Iraq by German companies. Germany was told that the Iraqis were producing the highly toxic cyanide acid in the German factories. This gas is highly toxic when inhaled. Near the end of 1990, this fact drove the United States and the United Kingdom to review the protection equipment of their armies since this type of gas can defeat and destroy gas masks. We can safely say that the two parts of Germany transferred technologies that go in the manufacture and development of chemical weapons by the defunct regime. German scientists and cadres were also highly instrumental on the ground. This was corroborated in all the reports on the criminal investigations that were held by the West German law courts. It was also corroborated in the report published by the Federal Technology Organization in Zurich. The Swiss committee of experts and scientists published a 50-page report that accused West Germany of supplying the defunct regime with chemical plants specialized in the manufacture of mustard gas, Tabun, and cyanide acid. The defunct regime established two German companies that were part of a network of hundreds of fictitious companies to conceal Iraq's purchases and to oversee the exportation of suspect materials to Iraq. These companies are TDG-SEG-Industrieanlagen, Krefeld, RFA and H + H Metalform, Drensteinfurt, RFA. The scandal that enabled the ousted dictatorship Saddam Husayn to procure means to produce chemical weapons is in fact a scandal that affects Germany first and foremost. As for the other countries -- such as the Italians, the Swedes, the French, the Dutch, the Americans, and others -- they can claim that they were duped by the defunct regime. However, until the whole truth comes out in the future, everyone should shoulder the responsibility and blame for the death of 5,000 victims in Halabjah, the thousands of victims of the Iranian army, and the thousands of victims in the steadfast Al-Ahwar region. All these were the victims of the arsenal of death that was built with German brains and Iraqi money. The Iraqi people have every right to prepare an indictment sheet against the German government and its companies for directly assisting the defunct dictatorial regime in mercilessly killing and annihilating Iraqis. And this government should compensate the victims of the German chemical weapons in Iraq. (Description of Source: London Al-Zaman in Arabic -- London-based independent Iraqi daily providing coverage of Arab and international issues, including extensive reporting on Iraqi opposition activities; has an anti-Iraqi regime orientation, and is headed by the former editor of the Iraqi daily Al-Jumhuriyah) |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ПеаБраин wrote:
Bloomberg 04/08/13: *"Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi" “...From the perspective of the Kurdish people -- and I dare say the majority of the Iraqi people -- it was worth it,” he said. “War is never a good option, but given our history and the brutality of Saddam’s regime, it may have been the only other option to end the genocidal campaign waged by Saddam... ...“All Iraqis lived under a regime that had complete disdain for human life,” he said. “Executions and killings continued at will. Thousands of Iraqis were being sent to the mass graves.. Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around....” google any part of the above if you are really interested *to hear anything about this from the Iraqi perspective It was good for the winners and bad for the losers. The Shiites and Kurds won and the Sunnis lost. It was also bad for America because Iraq is now, or soon will be, a close ally of Iran. |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Apr 10, 8:53*pm, mg wrote:
On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ПеаБраин wrote: Bloomberg 04/08/13: *"Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi" “...From the perspective of the Kurdish people -- and I dare say the majority of the Iraqi people -- it was worth it,” he said. “War is never a good option, but given our history and the brutality of Saddam’s regime, it may have been the only other option to end the genocidal campaign waged by Saddam... ...“All Iraqis lived under a regime that had complete disdain for human life,” he said. “Executions and killings continued at will. Thousands of Iraqis were being sent to the mass graves.. Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around....” google any part of the above if you are really interested *to hear anything about this from the Iraqi perspective .................................................. .................................................. ......... It was good for the winners and bad for the losers. The Shiites and Kurds won and the Sunnis lost. It was also bad for America because Iraq is now, or soon will be, a close ally of Iran. Questionable. Translation, News & Analysis of Contemporary Islamic Thought The Future of Iran-Iraq Relations "...a number of factors also indicate the unlikelihood of Iraq becoming future a satellite of Iranian interests. While Iraq’s Shi’ites may share a common religious denominator with Iranians, their Arab Iraqi traditions remain a guiding force in their identity. This is true in part as a result of their relatively recent conversion to the sect from Sunnism, which occurred in the 19th and 20th centuries, leaving them with strong ties to their Arab tribal roots that often trump identification with their Persian counterparts. During the Iran- Iraq war, for that matter, most Iraqi Shi’ites identified with their Arab identity rather than that of their Iranian co-religionists....' |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:53:42 -0700 (PDT), mg
wrote: On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote: Bloomberg 04/08/13: *"Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi" ...From the perspective of the Kurdish people -- and I dare say the majority of the Iraqi people -- it was worth it, he said. War is never a good option, but given our history and the brutality of Saddams regime, it may have been the only other option to end the genocidal campaign waged by Saddam... ...All Iraqis lived under a regime that had complete disdain for human life, he said. Executions and killings continued at will. Thousands of Iraqis were being sent to the mass graves.. Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around.... google any part of the above if you are really interested *to hear anything about this from the Iraqi perspective It was good for the winners and bad for the losers. The Shiites and Kurds won and the Sunnis lost. It was also bad for America because Iraq is now, or soon will be, a close ally of Iran. I doubt that. The Iraqis are Arabs and the Iranians are Persians and they traditionally haven't got on too well. |
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