vaccination info

"Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message
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nightjar cpb@ wrote:
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Waiting lists are about how long it takes to get treatment within the
NHS. For example, I was referred to an NHS eye specialist. The waiting
list to see the specialist was three months long. The waiting list to
have an operation once he had seen me was about 18 hours long.

Colin Bignell

That's really quick work to schedule an operating theatre.

It was a torn retina, which counts as an emergency. However, a chap waiting
for a routine cataract operation had been telephoned to come in a week
earlier than scheduled for the same morning session, so they must have had a
couple of cancellations.

Colin Bignell

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Markku Grönroos wrote:

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You don't have to be a physician to tell what inoculations are
required: none - unless you are coming from a country in which yellow
fewer is endemic. Naturally every tourist should have been vaccinated
against polio, tetanus and tuberculosis when travelling in primitive
parts of the world (like Morocco).

So you are a TB expert using an unusual medium to recommend a
tuberculosis vaccine for patients who you have not met? If TB is so
dangerous we may all have to avoid places like Morocco.

I wonder why there is so much being spent on clinical trials if you have
an answer for the problem?

I wonder why don't you consult your shrink more frequently. You would
benefit more than anyone else by doing so.

Markku, you got caught pushing a vaccination which from the US CDC web
site is at best an emergency measure given the serious number of
transmissions of TB from the most common vaccine.

Get used to having to face reality.

I say in the lines above: "Naturally every tourist should have been
vaccinated against polio, tetanus and tuberculosis when travelling in
primitive parts of the world". I take it so that even you have gotten a shot
or two as a small child to get a life time immunity against
tuberculosis.......

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I say in the lines above: "Naturally every tourist should have been
vaccinated against polio, tetanus and tuberculosis when travelling in
primitive parts of the world". I take it so that even you have gotten a
shot or two as a small child to get a life time immunity against
tuberculosis.......

It is very unclear that such travel justifies the risks associated with
the tuberculosis vaccine. If you are stuck living there it may be worth
I have not said that vaccination should take place for this particular trip.
I said travellers should have been vaccinated.

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Markku Grönroos wrote:


"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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I say in the lines above: "Naturally every tourist should have been
vaccinated against polio, tetanus and tuberculosis when travelling in
primitive parts of the world". I take it so that even you have gotten a
shot or two as a small child to get a life time immunity against
tuberculosis.......

It is very unclear that such travel justifies the risks associated with
the tuberculosis vaccine. If you are stuck living there it may be worth

I have not said that vaccination should take place for this particular
trip. I said travellers should have been vaccinated.

Unless it is needed for the particular trip the medical information I get
is that a tuberculosis vaccination is not recommended.

As I said, you have got a shot or two as a few month old.

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Markku Grönroos wrote:


"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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Markku Grönroos wrote:

"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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I say in the lines above: "Naturally every tourist should have been
vaccinated against polio, tetanus and tuberculosis when travelling in
primitive parts of the world". I take it so that even you have gotten
a shot or two as a small child to get a life time immunity against
tuberculosis.......

It is very unclear that such travel justifies the risks associated
with the tuberculosis vaccine. If you are stuck living there it may
be worth

I have not said that vaccination should take place for this particular
trip. I said travellers should have been vaccinated.

Unless it is needed for the particular trip the medical information I
get is that a tuberculosis vaccination is not recommended.

As I said, you have got a shot or two as a few month old.

And as I said not likely a tuberculosis vaccination is far too risky.

It doesn't matter what you say.

On Jan 23, 9:13*pm, (John Kulp) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:15:37 +0100, Dusty Furtile Morrocan

wrote:

Of course not. *They would look them up on the internet or call an
innoculation center which has them, either or which this guy could
do.. *Meanwhile, he would die sitting on the waitlist to see a doctor
in the UK.

You mean 15 minutes wait would kill a Brit?

I've waited that long in a queue at Tesco!

15 minutes. *Right. *That why when I was in the UK last week that was
another of those endless discussions on the BBC on all the waiting
lines in the NHS. *Probably because guys like this don't just look up
their questions on the internet and go clog the lines.

The waiting bemoaned on the BBC is for access to specialists, or
(particularly) for certain operations such as hip replacements. As
David says, seeing a GP (family doctor) is generally not a problem.
(And in fact, you don't need to see a doctor for travel inoculations -
the practice nurse can do them.)

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Markku Grönroos wrote:


"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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Markku Grönroos wrote:

"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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Markku Grönroos wrote:

"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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I say in the lines above: "Naturally every tourist should have been
vaccinated against polio, tetanus and tuberculosis when travelling
in primitive parts of the world". I take it so that even you have
gotten a shot or two as a small child to get a life time immunity
against tuberculosis.......

It is very unclear that such travel justifies the risks associated
with the tuberculosis vaccine. If you are stuck living there it may
be worth

I have not said that vaccination should take place for this
particular trip. I said travellers should have been vaccinated.

Unless it is needed for the particular trip the medical information I
get is that a tuberculosis vaccination is not recommended.

As I said, you have got a shot or two as a few month old.

And as I said not likely a tuberculosis vaccination is far too risky.

It doesn't matter what you say.

It does when it is supported by the CDC.


http://www.cdc.gov/tb/pubs/tbfactsheets/BCG.htm

You have been vaccinated against tuberculosis yourself as a few month old. I
have been vaccinated against tuberculosis. Jehova's Witnesses aren't.

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Markku Grönroos wrote:


"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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Markku Grönroos wrote:

"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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Markku Grönroos wrote:

"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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Markku Grönroos wrote:


"Frank F. Matthews" kirjoitti
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I say in the lines above: "Naturally every tourist should have
been vaccinated against polio, tetanus and tuberculosis when
travelling in primitive parts of the world". I take it so that
even you have gotten a shot or two as a small child to get a life
time immunity against tuberculosis.......


It is very unclear that such travel justifies the risks associated
with the tuberculosis vaccine. If you are stuck living there it
may be worth

I have not said that vaccination should take place for this
particular trip. I said travellers should have been vaccinated.

Unless it is needed for the particular trip the medical information
I get is that a tuberculosis vaccination is not recommended.

As I said, you have got a shot or two as a few month old.

And as I said not likely a tuberculosis vaccination is far too risky.

It doesn't matter what you say.

It does when it is supported by the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/tb/pubs/tbfactsheets/BCG.htm

You have been vaccinated against tuberculosis yourself as a few month
old. I have been vaccinated against tuberculosis. Jehova's Witnesses
aren't.

At least you are consistently wrong.

No. I am not. Consult your child health centre.

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It is easier to consult my medical history information. I have had many
vaccinations in my life but not one for TB.

That's funny because in about all countries it has been a standard procedure
to vaccine the newly born population against tuberculosis. When I was a
child it was called Calmette vaccination.

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I understand that. Marku not only does not but he insists he knows ny
medical background better than I do. I cannot resist pointing his idiocy
out to him each time.

In any case it is likely that the situation is current and not historical.

I believe you have gotten few shots as a child - apart from morphine, of
course. Anyways, immunity, even partial is a very good idea for people
travelling in primitive parts of the world where tuberculosis is common.
This is what I initially said and as that the comment is reasonable. We have
seen these programmes in about all countries in which children have been
vaccinated en masse against tuberculosis during the last decades. Not in
vain for sure. So, if anyone is going to - say Morocco - it is very
advisable that he or she is vaccinated against the disease.