Passengers Aboard Flight Delayed 18 Hours

"nobody" wrote in message
news:1104592928.92d9c0d90987f37539fd43bf74bbf887@t eranews...
JohnT wrote:
It is no problem at all. They have US Passports. That proves their
right
to re-enter their Countru of citizenship.

Lets say terrorist Tim McVeight had gho on holidays after doing his big
job in
Oklahoma City. Upon his return to the USA, under normal circumstances,
the
immigration agent would get a big red message on his screen "this is a
wanted
terrorist, capture and send to jail immediatly".

A cursory look at a passport from some small town policeman wouldn't be
sufficient.

I hadn't realise that such a massive level of paranoia exists in the USA.
And in the case you postulate, someone is deemed to be guilty before
being charged with any offence?

JohnT

"nobody" wrote in message
news:1104592928.92d9c0d90987f37539fd43bf74bbf887@t eranews...
JohnT wrote:
It is no problem at all. They have US Passports. That proves their
right
to re-enter their Countru of citizenship.

Lets say terrorist Tim McVeight had gho on holidays after doing his big
job in
Oklahoma City. Upon his return to the USA, under normal circumstances,
the
immigration agent would get a big red message on his screen "this is a
wanted
terrorist, capture and send to jail immediatly".

A cursory look at a passport from some small town policeman wouldn't be
sufficient.

I hadn't realise that such a massive level of paranoia exists in the USA.
And in the case you postulate, someone is deemed to be guilty before
being charged with any offence?

JohnT

Roland Perry wrote:

[1] And not just planes, Eurostar trains from Paris to London have had
similar extended imprisonments of the passengers when technical faults
have happened at an inconvenient place.

That's interesting. I know they've had issues with stowaways under the trains,
but I thought that had been resolved when they closed the refugee camp in
France.

Hope they don't stop the train in the tunnel. I'd be bouncing off the ceiling if
that happened with me on board.

In message 1104592566.df1a34b6fa09fb8a5f77911ac5bc6850@teran ews, at
10:25:53 on Sat, 1 Jan 2005, nobody remarked:
[1] And not just planes, Eurostar trains from Paris to London have had
similar extended imprisonments of the passengers when technical faults
have happened at an inconvenient place.

If a train is stuck in the middle of nowhere without any platforms to allow
pax to safely disembark, and if the tracks aren't "protected" (eg: all train
traffic stopped), then it truly is unsafe to allow many passengers off the
train, especially on the british sectiosn with the 3rd rail carrying
electricity on the ground, as opposed to overhead wires).

The worst incident involved a train stopped only a mile or two from
Waterloo, and a few hundred yards from the nearest domestic railway
station:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2739345.stm

In the airline case, it wasn't a safety issue, it was an administrative issue
where someone made decision that they could not allow pax off the plane.

Eurostar's problems are entirely administrative, also (otherwise they
could safely evacuate by any number of means including bringing another
train alongside).
--
Roland Perry

In message 1104592566.df1a34b6fa09fb8a5f77911ac5bc6850@teran ews, at
10:25:53 on Sat, 1 Jan 2005, nobody remarked:
[1] And not just planes, Eurostar trains from Paris to London have had
similar extended imprisonments of the passengers when technical faults
have happened at an inconvenient place.

If a train is stuck in the middle of nowhere without any platforms to allow
pax to safely disembark, and if the tracks aren't "protected" (eg: all train
traffic stopped), then it truly is unsafe to allow many passengers off the
train, especially on the british sectiosn with the 3rd rail carrying
electricity on the ground, as opposed to overhead wires).

The worst incident involved a train stopped only a mile or two from
Waterloo, and a few hundred yards from the nearest domestic railway
station:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2739345.stm

In the airline case, it wasn't a safety issue, it was an administrative issue
where someone made decision that they could not allow pax off the plane.

Eurostar's problems are entirely administrative, also (otherwise they
could safely evacuate by any number of means including bringing another
train alongside).
--
Roland Perry

In message 1104593511.4ebd5e240bcc0f65e6333885ed28a848@teran ews, at
10:41:39 on Sat, 1 Jan 2005, nobody remarked:
International Air/Ground space. Be careful what you wish for, if US
immigration halls were really US soil (in the sense of US law applying
in the way you imply), then I think they'd need to reconsider some of
their practices.

Treatment of airside passengers is governened by treaties which the USA signed
and adopted.

Exactly. And the OP should note that this somewhat different to being on
American soil.

--
Roland Perry

In message 1104593511.4ebd5e240bcc0f65e6333885ed28a848@teran ews, at
10:41:39 on Sat, 1 Jan 2005, nobody remarked:
International Air/Ground space. Be careful what you wish for, if US
immigration halls were really US soil (in the sense of US law applying
in the way you imply), then I think they'd need to reconsider some of
their practices.

Treatment of airside passengers is governened by treaties which the USA signed
and adopted.

Exactly. And the OP should note that this somewhat different to being on
American soil.

--
Roland Perry

In message , at 15:53:23 on Sat, 1 Jan
2005, JohnT remarked:
immigration agent would get a big red message on his screen "this is a
wanted
terrorist, capture and send to jail immediatly".

A cursory look at a passport from some small town policeman wouldn't be
sufficient.

I hadn't realise that such a massive level of paranoia exists in the USA.

Look around you.

And in the case you postulate, someone is deemed to be guilty before
being charged with any offence?

Apparently:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3678694.stm
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 15:53:23 on Sat, 1 Jan
2005, JohnT remarked:
immigration agent would get a big red message on his screen "this is a
wanted
terrorist, capture and send to jail immediatly".

A cursory look at a passport from some small town policeman wouldn't be
sufficient.

I hadn't realise that such a massive level of paranoia exists in the USA.

Look around you.

And in the case you postulate, someone is deemed to be guilty before
being charged with any offence?

Apparently:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3678694.stm
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:

The worst incident involved a train stopped only a mile or two from
Waterloo, and a few hundred yards from the nearest domestic railway
station:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2739345.stm


Thank you for the reference.