Irish European Attitudes towards George Bush

As a Bruce Springsteen Fan (I got this from the offical website) and also
living in one of the most beautiful areas in Ireland where I meet a large
number of American Tourists who cannot understand the Irish/European
attitudes to George Bush. Anyway read this speech from Al Gore it is indeed
very good

Regards
Gerald Horgan
http://www.dingle-region.com


A MESSAGE FROM BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
A few weeks ago at N.Y.U. Al Gore gave one of the most important speeches
I've heard in a long time. The issues it raises need to be considered by
every American concerned with the direction our country is headed in. It's
my pleasure to reprint it here for my fans.


Remarks by Al Gore
May 26, 2004
As Prepared

George W. Bush promised us a foreign policy with humility. Instead, he has
brought us humiliation in the eyes of the world.

He promised to "restore honor and integrity to the White House." Instead, he
has brought deep dishonor to our country and built a durable reputation as
the most dishonest President since Richard Nixon.

Honor? He decided not to honor the Geneva Convention. Just as he would not
honor the United Nations, international treaties, the opinions of our
allies, the role of Congress and the courts, or what Jefferson described as
"a decent respect for the opinion of mankind." He did not honor the advice,
experience and judgment of our military leaders in designing his invasion of
Iraq. And now he will not honor our fallen dead by attending any funerals or
even by permitting photos of their flag-draped coffins.

How did we get from September 12th , 2001, when a leading French newspaper
ran a giant headline with the words "We Are All Americans Now" and when we
had the good will and empathy of all the world -- to the horror that we all
felt in witnessing the pictures of torture in Abu Ghraib.

To begin with, from its earliest days in power, this administration sought
to radically destroy the foreign policy consensus that had guided America
since the end of World War II. The long successful strategy of containment
was abandoned in favor of the new strategy of "preemption." And what they
meant by preemption was not the inherent right of any nation to act
preemptively against an imminent threat to its national security, but rather
an exotic new approach that asserted a unique and unilateral U.S. right to
ignore international law wherever it wished to do so and take military
action against any nation, even in circumstances where there was no imminent
threat. All that is required, in the view of Bush's team is the mere
assertion of a possible, future threat - and the assertion need be made by
only one person, the President.

More disturbing still was their frequent use of the word "dominance" to
describe their strategic goal, because an American policy of dominance is as
repugnant to the rest of the world as the ugly dominance of the helpless,
naked Iraqi prisoners has been to the American people. Dominance is as
dominance does.

Dominance is not really a strategic policy or political philosophy at all.
It is a seductive illusion that tempts the powerful to satiate their hunger
for more power still by striking a Faustian bargain. And as always happens -
sooner or later - to those who shake hands with the devil, they find out too
late that what they have given up in the bargain is their soul.

One of the clearest indications of the impending loss of intimacy with one's
soul is the failure to recognize the existence of a soul in those over whom
power is exercised, especially if the helpless come to be treated as
animals, and degraded. We also know - and not just from De Sade and Freud -
the psychological proximity between sexual depravity and other people's
pain. It has been especially shocking and awful to see these paired evils
perpetrated so crudely and cruelly in the name of America.

Those pictures of torture and sexual abuse came to us embedded in a wave of
news about escalating casualties and growing chaos enveloping our entire
policy in Iraq. But in order understand the failure of our overall policy,
it is important to focus specifically on what happened in the Abu Ghraib
prison, and ask whether or not those actions were representative of who we
are as Americans? Obviously the quick answer is no, but unfortunately it's
more complicated than that.

There is good and evil in every person. And what makes the United States
special in the history of nations is our commitment to the rule of law and
our carefully constructed system of checks and balances. Our natural
distrust of concentrated power and our devotion to openness and democracy
are what have lead us as a people to consistently choose good over evil in
our collective aspirations more than the people any other nation.

Our founders were insightful students of human nature. They feared the abuse
of power because they understood that every human being has not only "better
angels" in his nature, but also an innate vulnerability to temptation -
especially the temptation to abuse power over others.

Our founders understood full well that a system of checks and balances is
needed in our constitution because every human being lives with an internal
system of checks and balances that cannot be relied upon to produce virtue
if they are allowed to attain an unhealthy degree of power over their fellow
citizens.

Listen then to the balance of internal impulses described by specialist
Charles Graner when confronted by one of his colleagues, Specialist Joseph
M. Darby, who later became a courageous whistleblower. When Darby asked him
to explain his actions documented in the photos, Graner replied: "The
Christian in me says it's wrong, but the Corrections Officer says, 'I love
to make a groan man **** on himself."

What happened at the prison, it is now clear, was not the result of random
acts by "a few bad apples," it was the natural consequence of the Bush
Administration policy that has dismantled those wise constraints and has
made war on America's checks and balances.

The abuse of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib flowed directly from the abuse of
the truth that characterized the Administration's march to war and the abuse
of the trust that had been placed in President Bush by the American people
in the aftermath of September 11th.

There was then, there is now and there would have been regardless of what
Bush did, a threat of terrorism that we would have to deal with. But instead
of making it better, he has made it infinitely worse. We are less safe
because of his policies. He has created more anger and righteous indignation
against us as Americans than any leader of our country in the 228 years of
our existence as a nation -- because of his attitude of contempt for any
person, institution or nation who disagrees with him.

He has exposed Americans abroad and Americans in every U.S. town and city to
a greater danger of attack by terrorists because of his arrogance,
willfulness, and bungling at stirring up hornet's nests that pose no threat
whatsoever to us. And by then insulting the religion and culture and
tradition of people in other countries. And by pursuing policies that have
resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent men, women and children, all
of it done in our name.

President Bush said in his speech Monday night that the war in Iraq is "the
central front in the war on terror." It's not the central front in the war
on terror, but it has unfortunately become the central recruiting office for
terrorists. [Dick Cheney said, "This war may last the rest of our lives.]
The unpleasant truth is that President Bush's utter incompetence has made
the world a far more dangerous place and dramatically increased the threat
of terrorism against the United States. Just yesterday, the International
Institute of Strategic Studies reported that the Iraq conflict " has
arguable focused the energies and resources of Al Qaeda and its followers
while diluting those of the global counterterrorism coalition." The ISS said
that in the wake of the war in Iraq Al Qaeda now has more than 18,000
potential terrorists scattered around the world and the war in Iraq is
swelling its ranks.

The war plan was incompetent in its rejection of the advice from military
professionals and the analysis of the intelligence was incompetent in its
conclusion that our soldiers would be welcomed with garlands of flowers and
cheering crowds. Thus we would not need to respect the so-called Powell
doctrine of overwhelming force.

There was also in Rumsfeld's planning a failure to provide security for
nuclear materials, and to prevent widespread lawlessness and looting.

Luckily, there was a high level of competence on the part of our soldiers
even though they were denied the tools and the numbers they needed for their
mission. What a disgrace that their families have to hold bake sales to buy
discarded Kevlar vests to stuff into the floorboards of the Humvees! Bake
sales for body armor.

And the worst still lies ahead. General Joseph Hoar, the former head of the
Marine Corps, said "I believe we are absolutely on the brink of failure. We
are looking into the abyss."

When a senior, respected military leader like Joe Hoar uses the word
"abyss", then the rest of us damn well better listen. Here is what he means:
more American soldiers dying, Iraq slipping into worse chaos and violence,
no end in sight, with our influence and moral authority seriously damaged.

Retired Marine Corps General Anthony Zinni, who headed Central Command
before becoming President Bush's personal emissary to the Middle East, said
recently that our nation's current course is "headed over Niagara Falls."

The Commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, Army Major General Charles H.
Swannack, Jr., asked by the Washington Post whether he believes the United
States is losing the war in Iraq, replied, "I think strategically, we are."
Army Colonel Paul Hughes, who directed strategic planning for the US
occupation authority in Baghdad, compared what he sees in Iraq to the
Vietnam War, in which he lost his brother: "I promised myself when I came on
active duty that I would do everything in my power to prevent that ... from
happening again. " Noting that Vietnam featured a pattern of winning battles
while losing the war, Hughes added "unless we ensure that we have coherence
in our policy, we will lose strategically."

The White House spokesman, Dan Bartlett was asked on live television about
these scathing condemnations by Generals involved in the highest levels of
Pentagon planning and he replied, "Well they're retired, and we take our
advice from active duty officers."

But amazingly, even active duty military officers are speaking out against
President Bush. For example, the Washington Post quoted an unnamed senior
General at the Pentagon as saying, " the current OSD (Office of the
Secretary of Defense) refused to listen or adhere to military advice."
Rarely if ever in American history have uniformed commanders felt compelled
to challenge their commander in chief in public.

The Post also quoted an unnamed general as saying, "Like a lot of senior
Army guys I'm quite angry" with Rumsfeld and the rest of the Bush
Administration. He listed two reasons. "I think they are going to break the
Army," he said, adding that what really incites him is "I don't think they
care."

In his upcoming book, Zinni blames the current catastrophe on the Bush
team's incompetence early on. "In the lead-up to the Iraq war, and its later
conduct," he writes, "I saw at a minimum, true dereliction, negligence and
irresponsibility, at worst, lying, incompetence and corruption."

Zinni's book will join a growing library of volumes by former advisors to
Bush -- including his principal advisor on terrorism, Richard Clarke; his
principal economic policy advisor, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill,
former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who was honored by Bush's father for his
service in Iraq, and his former Domestic Adviser on faith-based
organizations, John Dilulio, who said, "There is no precedent in any modern
White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy
apparatus. What you've got is everything, and I mean everything, run by the
political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki told Congress in February that the
occupation could require "several hundred thousand troops." But because
Rumsfeld and Bush did not want to hear disagreement with their view that
Iraq could be invaded at a much lower cost, Shinseki was hushed and then
forced out.

And as a direct result of this incompetent plan and inadequate troop
strength, young soldiers were put in an untenable position. For example,
young reservists assigned to the Iraqi prisons were called up without
training or adequate supervision, and were instructed by their superiors to
"break down" prisoners in order to prepare them for interrogation.

To make matters worse, they were placed in a confusing situation where the
chain of command was criss-crossed between intelligence gathering and prison
administration, and further confused by an unprecedented mixing of military
and civilian contractor authority.

The soldiers who are accused of committing these atrocities are, of course,
responsible for their own actions and if found guilty, must be severely and
appropriately punished. But they are not the ones primarily responsible for
the disgrace that has been brought upon the United States of America.

Private Lynndie England did not make the decision that the United States
would not observe the Geneva Convention. Specialist Charles Graner was not
the one who approved a policy of establishing an American Gulag of dark
rooms with naked prisoners to be "stressed" and even - we must use the
word - tortured - to force them to say things that legal procedures might
not induce them to say.

These policies were designed and insisted upon by the Bush White House.
Indeed, the President's own legal counsel advised him specifically on the
subject. His secretary of defense and his assistants pushed these cruel
departures from historic American standards over the objections of the
uniformed military, just as the Judge Advocates General within the Defense
Department were so upset and opposed that they took the unprecedented step
of seeking help from a private lawyer in this city who specializes in human
rights and said to him, "There is a calculated effort to create an
atmosphere of legal ambiguity" where the mistreatment of prisoners is
concerned."

Indeed, the secrecy of the program indicates an understanding that the
regular military culture and mores would not support these activities and
neither would the American public or the world community. Another implicit
acknowledgement of violations of accepted standards of behavior is the
process of farming out prisoners to countries less averse to torture and
giving assignments to private contractors

President Bush set the tone for our attitude for suspects in his State of
the Union address. He noted that more than 3,000 "suspected terrorists" had
been arrested in many countries and then he added, "and many others have met
a different fate. Let's put it this way: they are no longer a problem to the
United States and our allies."

George Bush promised to change the tone in Washington. And indeed he did. As
many as 37 prisoners may have been murdered while in captivity, though the
numbers are difficult to rely upon because in many cases involving violent
death, there were no autopsies.

How dare they blame their misdeeds on enlisted personnel from a Reserve unit
in upstate New York. President Bush owes more than one apology. On the list
of those he let down are the young soldiers who are themselves apparently
culpable, but who were clearly put into a moral cesspool. The perpetrators
as well as the victims were both placed in their relationship to one another
by the policies of George W. Bush.

How dare the incompetent and willful members of this Bush/Cheney
Administration humiliate our nation and our people in the eyes of the world
and in the conscience of our own people. How dare they subject us to such
dishonor and disgrace. How dare they drag the good name of the United States
of America through the mud of Saddam Hussein's torture prison.

David Kay concluded his search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq with
the famous verdict: "we were all wrong." And for many Americans, Kay's
statement seemed to symbolize the awful collision between Reality and all of
the false and fading impressions President Bush had fostered in building
support for his policy of going to war.

Now the White House has informed the American people that they were also
"all wrong" about their decision to place their faith in Ahmed Chalabi, even
though they have paid him 340,000 dollars per month. 33 million dollars
(CHECK) and placed him adjacent to Laura Bush at the State of the Union
address. Chalabi had been convicted of fraud and embezzling 70 million
dollars in public funds from a Jordanian bank, and escaped prison by fleeing
the country. But in spite of that record, he had become one of key advisors
to the Bush Administration on planning and promoting the War against Iraq.

And they repeatedly cited him as an authority, perhaps even a future
president of Iraq. Incredibly, they even ferried him and his private army
into Baghdad in advance of anyone else, and allowed him to seize control
over Saddam's secret papers.

Now they are telling the American people that he is a spy for Iran who has
been duping the President of the United States for all these years.

One of the Generals in charge of this war policy went on a speaking tour in
his spare time to declare before evangelical groups that the US is in a holy
war as "Christian Nation battling Satan." This same General Boykin was the
person who ordered the officer who was in charge of the detainees in
Guantanamo Bay to extend his methods to Iraq detainees, prisoners. ... The
testimony from the prisoners is that they were forced to curse their
religion Bush used the word "crusade" early on in the war against Iraq, and
then commentators pointed out that it was singularly inappropriate because
of the history and sensitivity of the Muslim world and then a few weeks
later he used it again.

"We are now being viewed as the modern Crusaders, as the modern colonial
power in this part of the world," Zinni said.

What a terrible irony that our country, which was founded by refugees
seeking religious freedom - coming to America to escape domineering leaders
who tried to get them to renounce their religion - would now be responsible
for this kind of abuse..

Ameen Saeed al-Sheikh told the Washington Post that he was tortured and
ordered to denounce Islam and after his leg was broken one of his torturers
started hitting it while ordering him to curse Islam and then, " they
ordered me to thank Jesus that I'm alive." Others reported that they were
forced to eat pork and drink alcohol.

In my religious tradition, I have been taught that "ye shall know them by
their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so,
every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth
evil fruit... Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

The President convinced a majority of the country that Saddam Hussein was
responsible for attacking us on September 11th. But in truth he had nothing
whatsoever to do with it. The President convinced the country with a mixture
of forged documents and blatantly false assertions that Saddam was in league
with Al Qaeda, and that he was "indistinguishable" from Osama bin Laden.

He asked the nation , in his State of the Union address, to "imagine" how
terrified we should be that Saddam was about to give nuclear weapons to
terrorists and stated repeatedly that Iraq posed a grave and gathering
threat to our nation. He planted the seeds of war, and harvested a
whirlwind. And now, the "corrupt tree" of a war waged on false premises has
brought us the "evil fruit" of Americans torturing and humiliating
prisoners.

In my opinion, John Kerry is dealing with this unfolding tragedy in an
impressive and extremely responsible way. Our nation's best interest lies in
having a new president who can turn a new page, sweep clean with a new
broom, and take office on January 20th of next year with the ability to make
a fresh assessment of exactly what our nation's strategic position is as of
the time the reigns of power are finally wrested from the group of
incompetents that created this catastrophe.

Kerry should not tie his own hands by offering overly specific, detailed
proposals concerning a situation that is rapidly changing and unfortunately,
rapidly deteriorating, but should rather preserve his, and our country's,
options, to retrieve our national honor as soon as this long national
nightmare is over.

Eisenhower did not propose a five-point plan for changing America's approach
to the Korean War when he was running for president in 1952.

When a business enterprise finds itself in deep trouble that is linked to
the failed policies of the current CEO the board of directors and
stockholders usually say to the failed CEO, "Thank you very much, but we're
going to replace you now with a new CEO -- one less vested in a stubborn
insistence on staying the course, even if that course is, in the words of
General Zinni, "Headed over Niagara Falls."

One of the strengths of democracy is the ability of the people to regularly
demand changes in leadership and to fire a failing leader and hire a new one
with the promise of hopeful change. That is the real solution to America's
quagmire in Iraq. But, I am keenly aware that we have seven months and
twenty five days remaining in this president's current term of office and
that represents a time of dangerous vulnerability for our country because of
the demonstrated incompetence and recklessness of the current
administration.

It is therefore essential that even as we focus on the fateful choice, the
voters must make this November that we simultaneously search for ways to
sharply reduce the extraordinary danger that we face with the current
leadership team in place. It is for that reason that I am calling today for
Republicans as well as Democrats to join me in asking for the immediate
resignations of those immediately below George Bush and Dick Cheney who are
most responsible for creating the catastrophe that we are facing in Iraq.

We desperately need a national security team with at least minimal
competence because the current team is making things worse with each passing
day. They are endangering the lives of our soldiers, and sharply increasing
the danger faced by American citizens everywhere in the world, including
here at home. They are enraging hundreds of millions of people and
embittering an entire generation of anti-Americans whose rage is already
near the boiling point.

We simply cannot afford to further increase the risk to our country with
more blunders by this team. Donald Rumsfeld, as the chief architect of the
war plan, should resign today. His deputies Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith
and his intelligence chief Stephen Cambone should also resign. The nation is
especially at risk every single day that Rumsfeld remains as Secretary of
Defense.

Condoleeza Rice, who has badly mishandled the coordination of national
security policy, should also resign immediately.

George Tenet should also resign. I want to offer a special word about George
Tenet, because he is a personal friend and I know him to be a good and
decent man. It is especially painful to call for his resignation, but I have
regretfully concluded that it is extremely important that our country have
new leadership at the CIA immediately.

As a nation, our greatest export has always been hope: hope that through the
rule of law people can be free to pursue their dreams, that democracy can
supplant repression and that justice, not power, will be the guiding force
in society. Our moral authority in the world derived from the hope anchored
in the rule of law. With this blatant failure of the rule of law from the
very agents of our government, we face a great challenge in restoring our
moral authority in the world and demonstrating our commitment to bringing a
better life to our global neighbors.

During Ronald Reagan's Presidency, Secretary of Labor Ray Donovan was
accused of corruption, but eventually, after a lot of publicity, the
indictment was thrown out by the Judge. Donovan asked the question, "Where
do I go to get my reputation back?" President Bush has now placed the United
States of America in the same situation. Where do we go to get our good name
back?

The answer is, we go where we always go when a dramatic change is needed. We
go to the ballot box, and we make it clear to the rest of the world that
what's been happening in America for the last four years, and what America
has been doing in Iraq for the last two years, really is not who we are. We,
as a people, at least the overwhelming majority of us, do not endorse the
decision to dishonor the Geneva Convention and the Bill of Rights....

Make no mistake, the damage done at Abu Ghraib is not only to America's
reputation and America's strategic interests, but also to America's spirit.
It is also crucial for our nation to recognize - and to recognize quickly -
that the damage our nation has suffered in the world is far, far more
serious than President Bush's belated and tepid response would lead people
to believe. Remember how shocked each of us, individually, was when we first
saw those hideous images. The natural tendency was to first recoil from the
images, and then to assume that they represented a strange and rare
aberration that resulted from a few twisted minds or, as the Pentagon
assured us, "a few bad apples."

But as today's shocking news reaffirms yet again, this was not rare. It was
not an aberration. Today's New York Times reports that an Army survey of
prisoner deaths and mistreatment in Iraq and Afghanisatan "show a widespread
pattern of abuse involving more military units than previously known.'

Nor did these abuses spring from a few twisted minds at the lowest ranks of
our military enlisted personnel. No, it came from twisted values and
atrocious policies at the highest levels of our government. This was done in
our name, by our leaders.

These horrors were the predictable consequence of policy choices that flowed
directly from this administration's contempt for the rule of law. And the
dominance they have been seeking is truly not simply unworthy of America -
it is also an illusory goal in its own right.

Our world is unconquerable because the human spirit is unconquerable, and
any national strategy based on pursuing the goal of domination is doomed to
fail because it generates its own opposition, and in the process, creates
enemies for the would-be dominator.

A policy based on domination of the rest of the world not only creates
enemies for the United States and creates recruits for Al Qaeda, it also
undermines the international cooperation that is essential to defeating the
efforts of terrorists who wish harm and intimidate Americans.

Unilateralism, as we have painfully seen in Iraq, is its own reward. Going
it alone may satisfy a political instinct but it is dangerous to our
military, even without their Commander in Chief taunting terrorists to
"bring it on."

Our troops are stretched thin and exhausted not only because Secretary
Rumsfeld contemptuously dismissed the advice of military leaders on the size
of the needed force - but also because President Bush's contempt for
traditional allies and international opinion left us without a real
coalition to share the military and financial burden of the war and the
occupation. Our future is dependent upon increasing cooperation and
interdependence in a world tied ever more closely together by technologies
of communications and travel. The emergence of a truly global civilization
has been accompanied by the recognition of truly global challenges that
require global responses that, as often as not, can only be led by the
United States - and only if the United States restores and maintains its
moral authority to lead.

Make no mistake, it is precisely our moral authority that is our greatest
source of strength, and it is precisely our moral authority that has been
recklessly put at risk by the cheap calculations and mean compromises of
conscience wagered with history by this willful president.

Listen to the way Israel's highest court dealt with a similar question when,
in 1999, it was asked to balance due process rights against dire threats to
the security of its people:

"This is the destiny of democracy, as not all means are acceptable to it,
and not all practices employed by its enemies are open before it. Although a
democracy must often fight with one hand tied behind its back, it
nonetheless has the upper hand. Preserving the Rule of Law and recognition
of an individual's liberty constitutes an important component in its
understanding of security. At the end of the day they (add to) its
strength."

The last and best description of America's meaning in the world is still the
definitive formulation of Lincoln's annual message to Congress on December
1, 1862:

"The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise - with the
occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must
disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country. Fellow citizens,
we cannot escape history...the fiery trial through which we pass will light
us down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation...We shall nobly save,
or meanly lose the last best hope of earth...The way is plain, peaceful,
generous, just - a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud,
and God must forever bless."

It is now clear that their obscene abuses of the truth and their
unforgivable abuse of the trust placed in them after 9/11 by the American
people led directly to the abuses of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison and,
we are now learning, in many other similar facilities constructed as part of
Bush's Gulag, in which, according to the Red Cross, 70 to 90 percent of the
victims are totally innocent of any wrongdoing.

The same dark spirit of domination has led them to - for the first time in
American history - imprison American citizens with no charges, no right to
see a lawyer, no right to notify their family, no right to know of what they
are accused, and no right to gain access to any court to present an appeal
of any sort. The Bush Admistration has even acquired the power to compel
librarians to tell them what any American is reading, and to compel them to
keep silent about the request - or else the librarians themselves can also
be imprisoned.

They have launched an unprecedented assault on civil liberties, on the right
of the courts to review their actions, on the right of the Congress to have
information to how they are spending the public's money and the right of the
news media to have information about the policies they are pursuing.

The same pattern characterizes virtually all of their policies. They resent
any constraint as an insult to their will to dominate and exercise power.
Their appetite for power is astonishing. It has led them to introduce a new
level of viciousness in partisan politics. It is that viciousness that led
them to attack as unpatriotic, Senator Max Cleland, who lost three limbs in
combat during the Vietnam War.

The president episodically poses as a healer and "uniter". If he president
really has any desire to play that role, then I call upon him to condemn
Rush Limbaugh - perhaps his strongest political supporter - who said that
the torture in Abu Ghraib was a "brilliant maneuver" and that the photos
were "good old American pornography," and that the actions portrayed were
simply those of "people having a good time and needing to blow off steam."

This new political viciousness by the President and his supporters is found
not only on the campaign trail, but in the daily operations of our
democracy. They have insisted that the leaders of their party in the
Congress deny Democrats any meaningful role whatsoever in shaping
legislation, debating the choices before us as a people, or even to attend
the all-important conference committees that reconcile the differences
between actions by the Senate and House of Representatives.

The same meanness of spirit shows up in domestic policies as well. Under the
Patriot Act, Muslims, innocent of any crime, were picked up, often
physically abused, and held incommunicado indefinitely. What happened in Abu
Ghraib was difference not of kind, but of degree.

Differences of degree are important when the subject is torture. The
apologists for what has happened do have points that should be heard and
clearly understood. It is a fact that every culture and every politics
sometimes expresses itself in cruelty. It is also undeniably true that other
countries have and do torture more routinely, and far more brutally, than
ours has. George Orwell once characterized life in Stalin's Russia as "a
boot stamping on a human face forever." That was the ultimate culture of
cruelty, so ingrained, so organic, so systematic that everyone in it lived
in terror, even the terrorizers. And that was the nature and degree of state
cruelty in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

We all know these things, and we need not reassure ourselves and should not
congratulate ourselves that our society is less cruel than some others,
although it is worth noting that there are many that are less cruel than
ours. And this searing revelation at Abu Ghraib should lead us to examine
more thoroughly the routine horrors in our domestic prison system.

But what we do now, in reaction to Abu Ghraib will determine a great deal
about who we are at the beginning of the 21st century. It is important to
note that just as the abuses of the prisoners flowed directly from the
policies of the Bush White House, those policies flowed not only from the
instincts of the president and his advisors, but found support in shifting
attitudes on the part of some in our country in response to the outrage and
fear generated by the attack of September 11th.

The president exploited and fanned those fears, but some otherwise sensible
and levelheaded Americans fed them as well. I remember reading
genteel-sounding essays asking publicly whether or not the prohibitions
against torture were any longer relevant or desirable. The same grotesque
misunderstanding of what is really involved was responsible for the tone in
the memo from the president's legal advisor, Alberto Gonzalez, who wrote on
January 25, 2002, that 9/11 "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on
questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."

We have seen the pictures. We have learned the news. We cannot unlearn it;
it is part of us. The important question now is, what will we do now about
torture. Stop it? Yes, of course. But that means demanding all of the facts,
not covering them up, as some now charge the administration is now doing.
One of the whistleblowers at Abu Ghraib, Sergeant Samuel Provance, told ABC
News a few days ago that he was being intimidated and punished for telling
the truth. "There is definitely a coverup," Provance said. "I feel like I am
being punished for being honest."

The abhorrent acts in the prison were a direct consequence of the culture of
impunity encouraged, authorized and instituted by Bush and Rumsfeld in their
statements that the Geneva Conventions did not apply. The apparent war
crimes that took place were the logical, inevitable outcome of policies and
statements from the administration.

To me, as glaring as the evidence of this in the pictures themselves was the
revelation that it was established practice for prisoners to be moved around
during ICRC visits so that they would not be available for visits. That, no
one can claim, was the act of individuals. That was policy set from above
with the direct intention to violate US values it was to be upholding. It
was the kind of policy we see - and criticize in places like China and Cuba.

Moreover, the administration has also set up the men and women of our own
armed forces for payback the next time they are held as prisoners. And for
that, this administration should pay a very high price. One of the most
tragic consequences of these official crimes is that it will be very hard
for any of us as Americans - at least for a very long time - to effectively
stand up for human rights elsewhere and criticize other governments, when
our policies have resulted in our soldiers behaving so monstrously. This
administration has shamed America and deeply damaged the cause of freedom
and human rights everywhere, thus undermining the core message of America to
the world.

President Bush offered a brief and half-hearted apology to the Arab world -
but he should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva
Conventions. He also owes an apology to the U.S. Army for cavalierly sending
them into harm's way while ignoring the best advice of their commanders.
Perhaps most importantly of all, he should apologize to all those men and
women throughout our world who have held the ideal of the United States of
America as a shining goal, to inspire their hopeful efforts to bring about
justice under a rule of law in their own lands. Of course, the problem with
all these legitimate requests is that a sincere apology requires an
admission of error, a willingness to accept responsibility and to hold
people accountable. And President Bush is not only unwilling to acknowledge
error. He has thus far been unwilling to hold anyone in his administration
accountable for the worst strategic and military miscalculations and
mistakes in the history of the United States of America.

He is willing only to apologize for the alleged erratic behavior of a few
low-ranking enlisted people, who he is scapegoating for his policy fiasco.

In December of 2000, even though I strongly disagreed with the decision by
the U.S. Supreme Court to order a halt to the counting of legally cast
ballots, I saw it as my duty to reaffirm my own strong belief that we are a
nation of laws and not only accept the decision, but do what I could to
prevent efforts to delegitimize George Bush as he took the oath of office as
president.

I did not at that moment imagine that Bush would, in the presidency that
ensued, demonstrate utter contempt for the rule of law and work at every
turn to frustrate accountability...

So today, I want to speak on behalf of those Americans who feel that
President Bush has betrayed our nation's trust, those who are horrified at
what has been done in our name, and all those who want the rest of the world
to know that we Americans see the abuses that occurred in the prisons of
Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo and secret locations as yet undisclosed as
completely out of keeping with the character and basic nature of the
American people and at odds with the principles on which America stands.

I believe we have a duty to hold President Bush accountable - and I believe
we will. As Lincoln said at our time of greatest trial, "We - even we here -
hold the power, and bear the responsibility."


--
Regards
Gerald Horgan
http://www.dingle-region.com

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:12:03 +0100, "Gerald Horgan"
wrote:

As a Bruce Springsteen Fan (I got this from the offical website) and also
living in one of the most beautiful areas in Ireland where I meet a large
number of American Tourists who cannot understand the Irish/European
attitudes to George Bush. Anyway read this speech from Al Gore it is indeed
very good

Regards
Gerald Horgan
http://www.dingle-region.com

Please take Gores speech along with the .jpg you posted and stick it
in *your* dingle region, clueless idiot.

Complaints-To:

Gordon

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:03:35 -0700, Gordon Forbess wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:12:03 +0100, "Gerald Horgan"
wrote:

As a Bruce Springsteen Fan (I got this from the offical website) and also
living in one of the most beautiful areas in Ireland where I meet a large
number of American Tourists who cannot understand the Irish/European
attitudes to George Bush. Anyway read this speech from Al Gore it is indeed
very good

Regards
Gerald Horgan
http://www.dingle-region.com

Please take Gores speech along with the .jpg you posted and stick it
in *your* dingle region, clueless idiot.

Come on. The Gore speech was right on target. Saying loud what lots of
people seem to think but are bullied into not saying.

Granted the jpg signature was a bit silly. But it was a very small jpg.
Not worse than all these guys who don't know how to turn the html crap
off, really.

devil wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:03:35 -0700, Gordon Forbess wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 23:12:03 +0100, "Gerald Horgan"
wrote:

As a Bruce Springsteen Fan (I got this from the offical website) and also
living in one of the most beautiful areas in Ireland where I meet a large
number of American Tourists who cannot understand the Irish/European
attitudes to George Bush. Anyway read this speech from Al Gore it is indeed
very good

Regards
Gerald Horgan
http://www.dingle-region.com

Please take Gores speech along with the .jpg you posted and stick it
in *your* dingle region, clueless idiot.

Come on. The Gore speech was right on target. Saying loud what lots of
people seem to think but are bullied into not saying.

Granted the jpg signature was a bit silly. But it was a very small jpg.
Not worse than all these guys who don't know how to turn the html crap
off, really.

I feel left out. Gerald's post never made it to my server. Would some
kind person echo the url to the Gore speech?

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:34:47 GMT, devil wrote:

Come on. The Gore speech was right on target. Saying loud what lots of
people seem to think but are bullied into not saying.

So? Go say it somewhere where its at least on topic. Just because a
bunch of the looney left at move-on.org go bananas listening to Gore
doing his psychotic southern preacher act doesn't make it appropriate
here. And no doubt there was the possibility of posting a link to
reduce the 830 lines he burned.

Granted the jpg signature was a bit silly. But it was a very small jpg.
Not worse than all these guys who don't know how to turn the html crap
off, really.

Care to speculate how much crap one would get for posting a "very
small" US flag in a sig?

Gordon

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:11:01 +0100, Padraig Breathnach wrote:

I feel left out. Gerald's post never made it to my server. Would some
kind person echo the url to the Gore speech?

It's still on my server. Send me an e-mail and I'll forward it to you.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:24:04 -0700, Gordon Forbess wrote:


Care to speculate how much crap one would get for posting a "very
small" US flag in a sig?

Well, that is a bit of a provocation, isn't it? In the same vein, remeber
the crap that guy who was selling the "I am not American" teeshirt got?
Even though, in contrast with the jpg, he didn't violate any rule.

The signature, OTOH, was just somewhat silly. Not a big deal. Would you
have reacted to it if it were not for the text content?

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:53:05 GMT, devil wrote:

n Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:24:04 -0700, Gordon Forbess wrote:

Care to speculate how much crap one would get for posting a "very
small" US flag in a sig?

Well, that is a bit of a provocation, isn't it?

A matter of perspective if Springsteen subscribes to Gores rambling
psychotic rants.

The signature, OTOH, was just somewhat silly. Not a big deal. Would you
have reacted to it if it were not for the text content?

Posting a .jpg to a text only group = Clueless
Posting a *link* to an OT Gore speech = Routine OT BS
Posting the *full text* of an OT Gore speech AND a .jpg = Clueless
Idiot

Would you be defending this clueless idiot if he posted one of Bush's
speeches and a small US flag? This street runs both directions.

Gordon

My sincere apologies for the sig tag. That was an accident as I copied the
speech directly from the Bruce Springsteen website and I did not realise a
jpeg went on the news server

--
Regards
Gerald Horgan

"devil" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:24:04 -0700, Gordon Forbess wrote:


Care to speculate how much crap one would get for posting a "very
small" US flag in a sig?

Well, that is a bit of a provocation, isn't it? In the same vein, remeber
the crap that guy who was selling the "I am not American" teeshirt got?
Even though, in contrast with the jpg, he didn't violate any rule.

The signature, OTOH, was just somewhat silly. Not a big deal. Would you
have reacted to it if it were not for the text content?

Padraig Breathnach wrote:




I feel left out. Gerald's post never made it to my server. Would some
kind person echo the url to the Gore speech?


It's definitely worth repeating (although I don't think you're an
American voter, alas). I'll be happy to copy and past it for you, if
you'll provide your correct e-mail address. (Just be sure you include
your name in the subject line - I have Earthlink's Spam Catcher set to
block everyone not in my address book, and I get so much "Suspect
E-Mail" that I sometimes delete some that I really want.)