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PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection
And when they did their head count on the plane there would be a missing
passenger. Derek. "Mark Hewitt" wrote in message ... "Usuario Invitado" wrote in message ... Please, help me in that question: If in the return trip I do not use the ticket from Athens to Milan, because I arrive to Milan by another mean, does the airline automatically cancel my ticket Milan-Madrid? Yes.. Unless (theres always an unless) you are flying with a low cost carrier or your Milan-Madrid ticket is booked entirely seperately from your Athens-Milan ticket This is what my travel agent claims, since according to the company, if I miss the first flight, I cannot take the second connection. It's called hidden city ticketing I believe. Not permitted. If that's right, I imagine following trick: A friend, who will fly the same schedule Athens-Milan-Madrid, would make the check-in in Athens for me and for himself (I would give him an ID), and get my boarding passes for the two flights. How would he make the checkin for you and himself? The checking agent will want to see you in person, not just your ID! Then I would not take the first flight in Athens (obviously I would be already in Milan).We would meet in Milan and my friend would give me the boarding card for the flight Milan-Madrid He wouldn't be able to obtain the boarding card, you have to be there in person, with your ID. and I would take the plane. Would in this instance the airline cancel my second boarding card, because I did not use the first one? Yes. But anyway, you wouldn't be able to get a boarding card. Well, I would appreciate any enlightenment on that subject. My advice would be to book your segments seperately. Book Madrid-Milan return on one ticket, then book Athens-Milan on another ticket, and if necessary don't use the return portion of that. You will not be able to have your baggage checked through or get boarding passes at your origin so make sure you leave enough time for your connection. |
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PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:02:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
wrote: [ Snip ] no, I do not have an ethical problem with using just part of a purchased service. What Mr. Dissen meant to write is: "I do not have an ethical problem with lying to obtain preferential pricing when purchasing a service". Malc. |
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PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:10:59 -0700 Malcolm Weir wrote:
:On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:02:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: : no, I do not have an ethical problem with :using just part of a purchased service. :What Mr. Dissen meant to write is: :"I do not have an ethical problem with lying to obtain preferential :pricing when purchasing a service". No, Mr. Dissen meant what he wrote: "I do not have an ethical problem with using just part of a purchased service." Exactly where is the lying that you assert? What promises do you typically make during a ticket purchase? -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com |
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PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection
Binyamin Dissen wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:10:59 -0700 Malcolm Weir wrote: :On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:02:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: : no, I do not have an ethical problem with :using just part of a purchased service. :What Mr. Dissen meant to write is: :"I do not have an ethical problem with lying to obtain preferential :pricing when purchasing a service". No, Mr. Dissen meant what he wrote: "I do not have an ethical problem with using just part of a purchased service." Exactly where is the lying that you assert? What promises do you typically make during a ticket purchase? You and the airline agree to the rules regarding the tariff you bought the ticket under. These rules state that you fly the segments in the order they are booked and that you fly all segments. |
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PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:08:57 GMT mrtravel wrote:
:Binyamin Dissen wrote: : On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:10:59 -0700 Malcolm Weir wrote: : :On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:02:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen : wrote: : : no, I do not have an ethical problem with : :using just part of a purchased service. : :What Mr. Dissen meant to write is: : :"I do not have an ethical problem with lying to obtain preferential : :pricing when purchasing a service". : No, Mr. Dissen meant what he wrote: "I do not have an ethical problem with : using just part of a purchased service." : Exactly where is the lying that you assert? : What promises do you typically make during a ticket purchase? :You and the airline agree to the rules regarding the tariff you bought :the ticket under. These rules state that you fly the segments in the :order they are booked and that you fly all segments. I make no such promise. Perhaps you do? Sometimes I toss the tickets. -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:23:56 GMT, "George Greene"
wrote: mrtravel wrote in message news:tXHcb.9506 You and the airline agree to the rules regarding the tariff you bought the ticket under. These rules state that you fly the segments in the order they are booked and that you fly all segments. The airline may be agreeing to those rules, but I am NOT agreeing, not what how you wish to interpet things Oh, you are agreeing, at least legally, and it is an enforceable contract. That fact that you have your fingers crossed when making the agreement doesn't legally absolve you of the agreement, nor does the fact that you can frequently get away with violating the agreement, as when a round trip ticket from At to C through B costs less than a oneway ticket from A to B, and you simply toss the rest of the ticket on arriving at B. The airline's recourse is negligible, whether legally enforceable or not. The airline's recourse is not negligible should you wish to use the ticket from B to C because the RT A to C is cheaper; failure to show up for the leg from A to B will result in automatic cancellation of the leg from B to C (as well as the return trip). ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection
In rec.travel.europe Binyamin Dissen wrote:
I make no such promise. Perhaps you do? Actually, Legally you do, as when you buy a ticket you are buying a contract of carriage, and by implication accepting the restrictions associated with the fares. I have no doubt that people get away with using only part of tickets, but if you do not abide by the contract of carriage, then the airline has a legal right to refuse you boarding on a later segment. Sometimes I toss the tickets. I have no problem with this. If you are denied boarding some day because you tossed an earlier portion of a ticket, though, I would not be shocked. Julie -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com -- Julie ********** Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm |
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mrtravel wrote:
Binyamin Dissen wrote: What promises do you typically make during a ticket purchase? You and the airline agree to the rules regarding the tariff you bought the ticket under. These rules state that you fly the segments in the order they are booked and that you fly all segments. It says that he will fly all segments, or otherwise they will cancel any remaining segments and reserve the right to take other sanctions such as billing him back. So long as he accepts those terms, I don't see where he's breaking any promises. In a soccer game, if you intentionally kick the ball outside the boundaries, thus allowing the opposing team a throw-in, have you cheated? No, you've made a strategic decision within the parameters of the game. Everyone knew it was a possibility you'd kick it out, and they hedged their bets accordingly. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation. |
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The airline may be agreeing to those rules, but I am NOT agreeing, not
what how you wish to interpet things mrtravel wrote in message news:tXHcb.9506 You and the airline agree to the rules regarding the tariff you bought the ticket under. These rules state that you fly the segments in the order they are booked and that you fly all segments. |
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PLS HELP: use of tickets with connection
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:55:38 GMT, "devil"
wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:35:22 -0600, Hatunen wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:23:56 GMT, "George Greene" wrote: mrtravel wrote in message news:tXHcb.9506 You and the airline agree to the rules regarding the tariff you bought the ticket under. These rules state that you fly the segments in the order they are booked and that you fly all segments. The airline may be agreeing to those rules, but I am NOT agreeing, not what how you wish to interpet things Oh, you are agreeing, at least legally, and it is an enforceable contract. That fact that you have your fingers crossed when making the agreement doesn't legally absolve you of the agreement, nor does the fact that you can frequently get away with violating the agreement, as when a round trip ticket from At to C through B costs less than a oneway ticket from A to B, and you simply toss the rest of the ticket on arriving at B. The airline's recourse is negligible, whether legally enforceable or not. The airline's recourse is not negligible should you wish to use the ticket from B to C because the RT A to C is cheaper; failure to show up for the leg from A to B will result in automatic cancellation of the leg from B to C (as well as the return trip). If the airlines were so sure it is indeed enforceable, surely they would try their best to have it tested in court? Until then, I'll take the view that these rules are not enforceable, so these parts of the CoC are not part of the contract. "Enforceable" doesn't mean "worth enforcing". ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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