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Old January 3rd, 2004, 05:00 PM
Raffi Balmanoukian
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in article , Spehro Pefhany at
what wrote on 1/3/04 11:00 AM:

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:19:30 +0100, the renowned "Trent Stensnes"
wrote:


"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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The US did not go to war for oil when it had some reason for doing so
(in 1973) and when the oil embargo was causing a huge problem. Why? As
has been said, that simply isn't how the US does things.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpo...114586,00.html

If we are to belive this article, the US did at least consider going to war
over oil.


Even when the Soviet Union was still around. It was a no-brainer in
2003, by comparison.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany




Aside from Australian troops in Iraq and the Moomba explosion, what exactly
does this have to do with Australasian travel?

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Old January 3rd, 2004, 06:46 PM
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:13:32 +0100, Sjoerd wrote:


"Tchiowa" schreef in bericht
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Same thing in Iraq. Oil had absolutely nothing to do with it.


And you _really_ believe that? You must be one of the very few people in
the world to believe such a lie.


I certainly do.

I see possible reasons for the war as:

1. Offering the US folks revenge for 9/11, by just go kill Arabs.

2. Providing a showcase for the Bush doctrine of preventive attacks when
it suits him.

3. Dream on, trying to redo the map of the Middle East. A la post-WWII
Japan.

On oil, surely it would have been much much cheaper to hear Saddam begging
for negociation and offering whatever cash he wanted.

As to the 1973 story, it's quite different in the sense that these
countries *refused to sell.* That's of course a crime beyond salvation.
Imagine...

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Old January 3rd, 2004, 07:16 PM
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:25:40 +0000, Pete Loud wrote:


Hi Guys,

I am amazed that something I said over a year ago, before the Iraq war, has
suddenly re-appeared.

I can only think it was on my website, "Maps of Iraq",
http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina/iraq/iraq.html

Since then the situation has changed somewhat :-o and my website has been
updated, although not recently.

To pull things back on-topic I have loads of great maps of Asia on my
websites, check them out.


Cheers,


Pete Loud






"devil" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:25:40 +0000, Pete Loud wrote:


Don't think I support Iraq, I don't. Bush got into power on the
contributions of the oil industry towards his election expenses, it's

now
pay-back time. He has to wrest control of the Iraqi oil fields from Iraq

and
put control into the hands of US oil industry stooges. It's tough that
thousands will be have to die to boost the oil company profits.


I actually don't buy that. For one thing, by and large, the business
community is against a war. Just look at how the markets are reacting.

Military action for physical control of oil is just not the American way
of doing things. A large fraction of European opinion sees this as a (the
only sensible, seemingly?) rationale for a war, given that it otherwise
makes no sense at all. But I don't buy it.

I am still not convinced there actually will be a war. I guess I have
been indulging in wishful thinking when I theoretized the noise would
subside after the mid-term elections. Anyway, which rationales are we
left with, besides the assumption that this administration is living in a
parallel universe, fightinmg windmills out of their own imagination?

One would be simply an exercise of killing Arabs. For the sake of the US
collective psyche, which needs revenge after the loss of face we all know
of. Which US right wing, now out of the closet en masse, is really
craving for.

Another one, somewhat less cynical if also more stupid is that this
administration may have decided they can't live any longer with our friend
Saddam making them look like fools time and again. Except, of course, if,
after the war is over, no weapon of mass destruction is found and their
dishonesty/stupidity becomes clear. Which would be the man's last

irony...





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Old January 4th, 2004, 01:14 AM
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"Sjoerd" wrote in message ...
"Tchiowa" schreef in bericht
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Same thing in Iraq. Oil had absolutely nothing to do with it.


And you _really_ believe that? You must be one of the very few people in
the world to believe such a lie.


Absolutely I believe it. It doesn't make any sense that oil had
anything to do with it.

BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the
US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market.
It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near
record profits because of it.
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Old January 4th, 2004, 01:46 AM
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Tchiowa wrote:
BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the
US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market.
It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near
record profits because of it.


Think about infrastructure contracts for both rebuilding and on-going
operation. France and Russia had those, albeit severely limited by sanctions.
Now the US has lifted scanctions, cancelled the existing contracts and is
goving those contracts to US firms.
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Old January 4th, 2004, 11:23 PM
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In article , [email protected]
..com says...

Same thing in Iraq. Oil had absolutely nothing to do with it.


And you _really_ believe that? You must be one of the very few people in
the world to believe such a lie.


Absolutely I believe it. It doesn't make any sense that oil had
anything to do with it.

BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the
US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market.
It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near
record profits because of it.



*****Poor old Tchiowa, blindly following the party line.

:-)

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Old January 5th, 2004, 01:03 AM
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nobody wrote in message ...
Tchiowa wrote:
BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the
US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market.
It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near
record profits because of it.


Think about infrastructure contracts for both rebuilding and on-going
operation. France and Russia had those, albeit severely limited by sanctions.
Now the US has lifted scanctions, cancelled the existing contracts and is
goving those contracts to US firms.


Now think about the money for those contracts. It's mostly coming from
US taxpayers. Are you suggesting that the US spent billions of dollars
invading Iraq so that they could spend billions more dollars
rebuilding it using US contractors?

This is just one example of how the whole conspiracy theory doesn't
wash.
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Old January 5th, 2004, 04:11 PM
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Tonkin wasn't a "lie" but just a "spin" and the gummint has a way of
"spinning" it the way they want... ("Spin" - meaning "I'll tell the story
whatever way I want to tell it")

"Craig Welch" wrote in message
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On 2 Jan 2004 18:04:07 -0800, (Tchiowa) wrote:

The US did not go to war for oil when it had some reason for doing so
(in 1973) and when the oil embargo was causing a huge problem. Why? As
has been said, that simply isn't how the US does things.


Dead right. The US does things the proper way. By lying. About WMD
in Iraq, and about the Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam.


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Old January 6th, 2004, 01:00 AM
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"Pete Loud" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:25:40 +0000, Pete Loud wrote:



Hi Guys,

I am amazed that something I said over a year ago, before the Iraq war,

has
suddenly re-appeared.

I can only think it was on my website, "Maps of Iraq",
http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina/iraq/iraq.html

Since then the situation has changed somewhat :-o and my website has been
updated, although not recently.

To pull things back on-topic I have loads of great maps of Asia on my
websites, check them out.


Cheers,


Pete Loud


Interesting site Peter. While I was reading it I was thinking how millions
of Americans were outraged that Steve Irwin took his child into the
crocodile enclosure, but those same people cheered as the bombs and missiles
rained down on the people of Iraq.

Bob


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Old January 6th, 2004, 01:15 AM
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In u "Bob"
wrote:

While I was reading it I was thinking how millions of Americans were
outraged that Steve Irwin took his child into the crocodile enclosure,
but those same people cheered as the bombs and missiles rained down on
the people of Iraq.


Are you certain it was "millions", and are you certain that they're the
same people?

Why?

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN
 




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