Sarin gas: The deadly chemical weapon Syria might be ready to use

Sarin gas: The deadly chemical weapon Syria might be ready to use

"Yesterday, a US official told NBC News that Syria has begun to mix
the chemical components of sarin gas, and has loaded the deadly nerve
agent into bombs on or near airfields....

.....According to the CDC, sarin is odorless, so most victims have no
idea that they were exposed to the gas. Within a minute of exposure,
people experience runny nose, tightness in the chest, and pupil
constriction. After several minutes, they began having difficulty
breathing, become nauseated, and start to drool. Soon they lose
control of their bodily functions, begin twitching and ultimately
suffocate in a series of convulsive spasms...

...The first known incidence of sarin being used as part of chemical
warfare occurred in 1988 in the Kurdish city of Haljaba, in northern
Iraq. Close to 5,000 people died over the course of two days after 20
aircraft dropped chemicals on the town. According to the BBC....,"

A method to consider when it becomes imperative to halve third world
populations. Infrastructure intact.

On Dec 11, 7:59*am, "PJ O'D" wrote:
*Sarin gas: The deadly chemical weapon Syria might be ready to use

"Yesterday, a US official told NBC News that Syria has begun to mix
the chemical components of sarin gas, and has loaded the deadly nerve
agent into bombs on or near airfields....

....According to the CDC, sarin is odorless, so most victims have no
idea that they were exposed to the gas. Within a minute of exposure,
people experience runny nose, tightness in the chest, and pupil
constriction. After several minutes, they began having difficulty
breathing, become nauseated, and start to drool. Soon they lose
control of their bodily functions, begin twitching and ultimately
suffocate in a series of convulsive spasms...

..The first known incidence of sarin being used as part of chemical
warfare occurred in 1988 in the Kurdish city of Haljaba, in northern
Iraq. Close to 5,000 people died over the course of two days after 20
aircraft dropped chemicals on the town. According to the BBC....,"

071596_cia_72569_72569_01.txt
Subject: STABILITY OF IRAQ'S CW STOCKPILE
Not Finally Evaluated Intelligence
"..THE UNITARY FORM OF IRAQ'S SARIN - ITS PRINCIPAL NERVE AGENT - HAD

A RELATIVELY SHORT SHELF LIFE DURING THE WAR WITH IRAN....
.....THE IRAQIS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROBLEM:...

THEY HAVE DEVELOPED AND TESTED BINARY NERVE AGENT ROUNDS FOR

ARTILLERY SHELLS AND BINARY MISSILE WARHEADS AS WELL

CIA BELIEVES THAT BY NOW IRAQ PRODUCED LARGE QUANTITIES OF BINARY
MUNITIONS.
EFFORTS TO LENGTHEN SHELF LIFE



IRAQ HAS TRIED TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM , WITH FOREIGN ASSISTANCE,

IT BEGAN TO DEVELOP BINARY

CHEMICAL WEAPONS. IN A BINARY MUNITION,

THE TWO PRECURSOR CHEMICALS ARE STORED

SEPARATELY AND ONLY MIXED TO FORM THE

CHEMICAL AGENT IMMEDIATELY BEFORE OR

WHEN THE ROUND IS IN FLIGHT. THUS, THE

SHELF LIFE OF THE AGENT BECOMES IRRELEVANT;

MOREOVER, THE MUNITION IS SAFER TO HANDLE

AND STORE. BY 1990 IRAQ HAD SUCCESSFULLY

TESTED 155-MM ARTILLERY SHELLS AND OTHER

BINARY MUNITIONS AND LAUNCHED A BALLISTIC

MISSILE WITH A BINARY WARHEAD AS WELL.

CIA BELIEVES THAT A SUBSTANTIAL

PORTION OF IRAQ'S NERVE AGENT STOCKPILE

NOW CONSISTS OF BINARY CHEMICAL WEAPONS

WHICH WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO

DEGRADATION.

On 11/12/12 13:59, in article
, "PJ O'D"
wrote:

"Yesterday, a US official told NBC News that Syria has begun to mix
the chemical components of sarin gas, and has loaded the deadly nerve
agent into bombs on or near airfields....

Some of the weapons are binaries, with separate containers for the raw
materials which make it. The synthesis is accomplished in a cloud
of materials generated by the explosion.

So a country could well say "we have no nerve gases" which is a half
truth.

On Dec 11, 5:59*am, "PJ O'D" wrote:
*Sarin gas: The deadly chemical weapon Syria might be ready to use

"Yesterday, a US official told NBC News that Syria has begun to mix
the chemical components of sarin gas, and has loaded the deadly nerve
agent into bombs on or near airfields....

....According to the CDC, sarin is odorless, so most victims have no
idea that they were exposed to the gas. Within a minute of exposure,
people experience runny nose, tightness in the chest, and pupil
constriction. After several minutes, they began having difficulty
breathing, become nauseated, and start to drool. Soon they lose
control of their bodily functions, begin twitching and ultimately
suffocate in a series of convulsive spasms...

..The first known incidence of sarin being used as part of chemical
warfare occurred in 1988 in the Kurdish city of Haljaba, in northern
Iraq. Close to 5,000 people died over the course of two days after 20
aircraft dropped chemicals on the town. According to the BBC....,"

Here we go again, beating the war drums so that we can use more of our
military equipment to kill the wrong people so that we will have an
excuse to buy some more.

First of all, I don't believe that chemical weapons are all that
dangerous. How many people in the world have ever been killed by
chemicals weapons? Nuclear weapons, yes, they are extremely dangerous.
Chemical weapons, no. The best way to kill people is with guns, hand
grenades, and explosives. That way you don't have to worry about which
way the wind is blowing, etc.

Second, we can't even solve our own problems. So what makes us think
we can solve someone else's? More people will undoubtedly die as the
result of auto accidents, murder, and lack of health care in one year
in the U.S., than are likely to be killed in Syria.

Third, you can't believe those lying *******s in Washington, anyway.

On Dec 11, 10:59*am, mg wrote in part:

*Sarin gas: The deadly chemical weapon Syria might be ready to use
..

First of all, I don't believe that chemical weapons are all that
dangerous. How many people in the world have ever been killed by
chemicals weapons

The Holocaust. How soon we forget.


How many Jews were gassed in the Holocaust?


..i

Answer:

There were six major gassing centres:

Auschwitz II (minimum estimate for number of victims gassed: 900,000)
Treblinka II (minimum estimate: 850,000)
Sobibor (mimum estimate: 250,000)
Chelmno (about 152,000)
Belzec (actual number recorded by the SS: 434,508)
Majdanek - number disputed. (Much depends on the functions that the
camp served).

Excluding Majdanek, that gives a minimum estimated total of over 2.586
million gassed

On Dec 11, 9:39*am, "PJ O'D" wrote:
On Dec 11, 10:59*am, mg wrote in part:

*Sarin gas: The deadly chemical weapon Syria might be ready to use

.

First of all, I don't believe that chemical weapons are all that
dangerous. How many people in the world have ever been killed by
chemicals weapons

The Holocaust. How soon we forget.

How many Jews were gassed in the Holocaust?

.i

Answer:

There were six major gassing centres:

Auschwitz II (minimum estimate for number of victims gassed: 900,000)
Treblinka II (minimum estimate: 850,000)
Sobibor (mimum estimate: 250,000)
Chelmno (about 152,000)
Belzec (actual number recorded by the SS: 434,508)
Majdanek - number disputed. (Much depends on the functions that the
camp served).

Excluding Majdanek, that gives a minimum estimated total of over 2.586
million gassed

Gas chambers aren't very effective military weapons unless you can
figure out a way to get the enemy to voluntarily walk into the chamber
and shut the door behind him.

What are you waiting for, old donovan ??!!
Go nuke 'em all !!


"PJ O'D" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion
: ...
Sarin gas: The deadly chemical weapon Syria might be ready to use

"Yesterday, a US official told NBC News that Syria has begun to mix
the chemical components of sarin gas, and has loaded the deadly nerve
agent into bombs on or near airfields....

....According to the CDC, sarin is odorless, so most victims have no
idea that they were exposed to the gas. Within a minute of exposure,
people experience runny nose, tightness in the chest, and pupil
constriction. After several minutes, they began having difficulty
breathing, become nauseated, and start to drool. Soon they lose
control of their bodily functions, begin twitching and ultimately
suffocate in a series of convulsive spasms...

..The first known incidence of sarin being used as part of chemical
warfare occurred in 1988 in the Kurdish city of Haljaba, in northern
Iraq. Close to 5,000 people died over the course of two days after 20
aircraft dropped chemicals on the town. According to the BBC....,"

On Dec 11, 11:59*am, "simon calder"
wrote:

Sarin gas: The deadly chemical weapon Syria might be ready to use

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:43:21 +0100, Earl Evleth wrote:

On 11/12/12 13:59, in article
, "PJ O'D"
wrote:

"Yesterday, a US official told NBC News that Syria has begun to mix
the chemical components of sarin gas, and has loaded the deadly nerve
agent into bombs on or near airfields....

Some of the weapons are binaries, with separate containers for the raw
materials which make it. The synthesis is accomplished in a cloud
of materials generated by the explosion.

So a country could well say "we have no nerve gases" which is a half
truth.


What has always troubled me about Iraq is that Saddam DID HAVE WMDs
that he used against the Kurds. But no such weapons of any kind were ever
found in Iraq. Now I believe that he had no such weapons, but it still
troubles me to question what he did with the WMDs he used against the
Kurds... since he certainly didn't use all of what he had and suddenly decided
he'd used them all and no longer wanted any more.

Certainly Saddam proved he was a megalomaniac, since there were a number
of opportunities for him to receive sanctuary offers from Saudi Arabia and
Bahrain; but he was psychologically driven to go down with the ship. So any
decision on his part to simply quit using and manufacturing WMDs, and to
dispose of all the poison gas that he obviously did have, does not seem to
meet the profile of such a megalomaniac.

Thus, I find it hard to insult or ridicule those who did believe he had kept such
WMDs, although I do fault U.S. intelligence for not being totally aware of what
was going on in Iraq, in the mind of Saddam, considering he had already had
his butt spanked once by Papa Bush.

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