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Old March 7th, 2013, 09:43 PM posted to soc.retirement,uk.sci.weather,alt.horror,alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed

"..researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in
Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60
years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earths
temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-
Carleton Geoscience Center of Canadas Carleton University, says that
CO2 variations show little correlation with our planets climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.

Google:

"Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and
better eyes with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact
on Earths climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our
planet combined.

And theyre worried about global cooling, not warming."
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Old March 7th, 2013, 11:26 PM posted to soc.retirement,uk.sci.weather,alt.horror,alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:43:31 -0800 (PST), :????????
wrote:

researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany
report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years


All measurements show the exact opposite: the sun's TSI has been
steadily decrease, not increasing.


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at best and idiotic at worst." -- Larry Jones
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Old March 8th, 2013, 12:08 AM posted to soc.retirement,uk.sci.weather,alt.horror,alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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On Mar 7, 1:43*pm, :ПеаБраин wrote:
Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed

"..researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in
Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60
years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s
temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-
Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada’s Carleton University, says that
“CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”

Google:

*"Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and
better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact
on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our
planet combined.

And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming."


"Sami Solanki, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar
System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany said:

"The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now
be affecting global temperatures... the brighter sun and higher levels
of so-called "greenhouse gases" both contributed to the change in the
Earth's temperature, but it was impossible to say which had the
greater impact.[73]

Nevertheless, Solanki agrees with the scientific consensus that the
marked upswing in temperatures since about 1980 is attributable to
human activity."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
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Old March 8th, 2013, 01:41 AM posted to soc.retirement,uk.sci.weather,alt.horror,alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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On Mar 7, 6:08*pm, mg wrote:
On Mar 7, 1:43*pm, :ПеаБраин wrote:









Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed


"..researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in
Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60
years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s
temperature over the last 100 years.

.................................................. .................................................. ..................
R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-
Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada’s Carleton University, says that
“CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”

.................................................. .................................................. .............
*"Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and
better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact
on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our
planet combined.


And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming."

.................................................. .................................................. ...............
"Sami Solanki, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar
System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany said:

"The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now
be affecting global temperatures... the brighter sun and higher levels
of so-called "greenhouse gases" both contributed to the change in the
Earth's temperature, but it was impossible to say which had the
greater impact.[73]

.................................................. .................................................. ......................
google: "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s
climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”

About 101,000 results (0.39 seconds)

"Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into
its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to
unusually cool conditions on Earth.”

“Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before,
and it most likely will again, If we were to have even a medium-sized
solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than
‘global warming’ would have had"



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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:00 AM posted to soc.retirement,uk.sci.weather,alt.horror,alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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Default Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed

On Mar 7, 5:41*pm, ПЈО'Донован wrote:
On Mar 7, 6:08*pm, mg wrote:



On Mar 7, 1:43*pm, :ПеаБраин wrote:


Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed


"..researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in
Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60
years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s
temperature over the last 100 years.


.................................................. ..........................*...................... ................... R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-
Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada’s Carleton University, says that
“CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”


.................................................. ..........................*...................... .............. *"Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and
better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact
on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our
planet combined.


And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming."


.................................................. ..........................*...................... ................ "Sami Solanki, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar
System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany said:


"The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now
be affecting global temperatures... the brighter sun and higher levels
of so-called "greenhouse gases" both contributed to the change in the
Earth's temperature, but it was impossible to say which had the
greater impact.[73]


.................................................. ..........................*...................... .......................
google: "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s
climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”

About 101,000 results (0.39 seconds)

"Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into
its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to
unusually cool conditions on Earth.”

“Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before,
and it most likely will again, If we were to have even a medium-sized
solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than
‘global warming’ would have had"


As I said, Max Planck Institute agrees with the scientific consensus
that the marked upswing in temperatures since about 1980 is
attributable to human activity.

In regard to R. Timothy Patterson's denial of Global Warming theory,
he's part of a small minority. "In the scientific literature, there is
a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in
recent decades and that the trend is caused primarily by human-induced
emissions of greenhouse gases.[2][3][4] No scientific body of national
or international standing disagrees with this view,[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy



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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:23 AM posted to soc.retirement,uk.sci.weather,alt.horror,alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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Default Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed

On Mar 7, 10:00*pm, mg wrote:
On Mar 7, 5:41*pm, ПЈО'Донован wrote:









On Mar 7, 6:08*pm, mg wrote:


On Mar 7, 1:43*pm, :ПеаБраин wrote:


Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed


"..researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in
Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60
years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s
temperature over the last 100 years.


.................................................. ..........................*...................... ................... R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-
Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada’s Carleton University, says that
“CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”


.................................................. ..........................*...................... .............. *"Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and
better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact
on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our
planet combined.


And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming."


.................................................. ..........................*...................... ................ "Sami Solanki, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar
System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany said:


"The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now
be affecting global temperatures... the brighter sun and higher levels
of so-called "greenhouse gases" both contributed to the change in the
Earth's temperature, but it was impossible to say which had the
greater impact.[73]


.................................................. ..........................*...................... .......................
google: "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s
climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”


About 101,000 results (0.39 seconds)


"Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into
its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to
unusually cool conditions on Earth.”


“Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before,
and it most likely will again, If we were to have even a medium-sized
solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than
‘global warming’ would have had"


As I said, Max Planck Institute agrees with the scientific consensus
that the marked upswing in temperatures since about 1980 is
attributable to human activity.

In regard to R. Timothy Patterson's denial of Global Warming theory,
he's part of a small minority. "In the scientific literature, there is
a strong consensus


You like that word, "consensus" don't you? It almost precludes any
dissenting opinion, doesn't it?
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Old March 8th, 2013, 08:03 AM posted to soc.retirement,uk.sci.weather,alt.horror,alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 19:00:02 -0800 (PST), mg wrote:

On Mar 7, 5:41*pm, ???'??????? wrote:
On Mar 7, 6:08*pm, mg wrote:



On Mar 7, 1:43*pm, :???????? wrote:


Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed


"..researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in
Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60
years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s
temperature over the last 100 years.


.................................................. .........................*....................... .................. R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-
Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada’s Carleton University, says that
“CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”


.................................................. .........................*....................... ............. *"Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and
better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact
on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our
planet combined.


And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming."


.................................................. .........................*....................... ............... "Sami Solanki, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar
System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany said:


"The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now
be affecting global temperatures... the brighter sun and higher levels
of so-called "greenhouse gases" both contributed to the change in the
Earth's temperature, but it was impossible to say which had the
greater impact.[73]


.................................................. .........................*....................... ......................
google: "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s
climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”

About 101,000 results (0.39 seconds)

"Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into
its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to
unusually cool conditions on Earth.”

“Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before,
and it most likely will again, If we were to have even a medium-sized
solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than
‘global warming’ would have had"


As I said, Max Planck Institute agrees with the scientific consensus
that the marked upswing in temperatures since about 1980 is
attributable to human activity.

In regard to R. Timothy Patterson's denial of Global Warming theory,
he's part of a small minority. "In the scientific literature, there is
a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in
recent decades and that the trend is caused primarily by human-induced
emissions of greenhouse gases.[2][3][4] No scientific body of national
or international standing disagrees with this view,[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy


They don't realize that when the East European
weather stations were closed, there were no cold
ones to replace them with.






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Old March 8th, 2013, 08:32 AM posted to alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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On 03/08/2013 04:00 AM, mg wrote:
On Mar 7, 5:41 pm, ПЈО'Донован wrote:
On Mar 7, 6:08 pm, mg wrote:



On Mar 7, 1:43 pm, :ПеаБраин wrote:


Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed


"..researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in
Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60
years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s
temperature over the last 100 years.


.................................................. ..........................*...................... ................... R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-
Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada’s Carleton University, says that
“CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”


.................................................. ..........................*...................... .............. "Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and
better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact
on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our
planet combined.


And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming."


.................................................. ..........................*...................... ................ "Sami Solanki, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar
System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany said:


"The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now
be affecting global temperatures... the brighter sun and higher levels
of so-called "greenhouse gases" both contributed to the change in the
Earth's temperature, but it was impossible to say which had the
greater impact.[73]


.................................................. ..........................*...................... .......................
google: "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s
climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”

About 101,000 results (0.39 seconds)

"Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into
its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to
unusually cool conditions on Earth.”

“Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before,
and it most likely will again, If we were to have even a medium-sized
solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than
‘global warming’ would have had"


As I said, Max Planck Institute agrees with the scientific consensus
that the marked upswing in temperatures since about 1980 is
attributable to human activity.

In regard to R. Timothy Patterson's denial of Global Warming theory,
he's part of a small minority. "In the scientific literature, there is
a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in
recent decades and that the trend is caused primarily by human-induced
emissions of greenhouse gases.[2][3][4] No scientific body of national
or international standing disagrees with this view,[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy




MG, don't bother replying to this guy, PJ O'D is a well- known troll who
has been terrorising Usenet for years.

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Old March 8th, 2013, 09:35 AM posted to soc.retirement,uk.sci.weather,alt.horror,alt.global-warming,rec.travel.europe
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Default Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed

On Mar 7, 10:00*pm, mg wrote:
On Mar 7, 5:41*pm, ПЈО'Донован wrote:









On Mar 7, 6:08*pm, mg wrote:


On Mar 7, 1:43*pm, :ПеаБраин wrote:


Solar Influence On Climate Confirmed


"..researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in
Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60
years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s
temperature over the last 100 years.


.................................................. .......................... *......................................... R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-
Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada’s Carleton University, says that
“CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”


.................................................. .......................... *.................................... *"Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and
better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact
on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our
planet combined.


And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming."


.................................................. .......................... *...................................... "Sami Solanki, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Solar
System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany said:


"The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now
be affecting global temperatures... the brighter sun and higher levels
of so-called "greenhouse gases" both contributed to the change in the
Earth's temperature, but it was impossible to say which had the
greater impact.[73]


.................................................. .......................... *.............................................

.................................................. .................................................. ............................
google: "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s
climate on
long, medium and even short time scales.”


About 101,000 results (0.39 seconds)

.................................................. ...............................................
"Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into
its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to
unusually cool conditions on Earth.”


“Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before,
and it most likely will again, If we were to have even a medium-sized
solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than
‘global warming’ would have had"


As I said, Max Planck Institute agrees with the scientific consensus
that the marked upswing in temperatures since about 1980 is
attributable to human activity.

In regard to R. Timothy Patterson's denial of Global Warming theory,
he's part of a small minority.

.................................................. .................................................. ........................
"In the scientific literature, there is
a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in
recent decades and that the trend is caused primarily by human-induced
emissions of greenhouse gases.[2][3][4] No scientific body of national
or international standing disagrees with this view,[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy


Natural CO2 emissions completely swamp manmade CO2 emissions in our
atmosphere
Its something we've always know that the manmade CO2 emissions are
completely dwarfed by the Natural CO2 emissions from the ecosystems.

But for the lurkers that dont know here is a refresher.

Total amount of CO2 in our atmosphere is 0.039%, that percentage right
so total amount is 0.00039 out of 100.

From this total amount 97% comes from the ecosystems (sea, land and
animals/plants) thats 97%.

From this total amount 3% is manmade CO2 from fossil fuel emissions.

The IPCC through their parametric computer generated projections are
telling us that the 3% will destroy the Earth unless we are all
committed to financial slavery through the carbon tax to reduce our
CO2 emissions.

Depending on what phase our sun is in and our position on our
eliptical orbit around the sun and whether we are having a el nino or
a la nina.

The ecosystems have the potential to throw up even more CO2 in our
atmopshere which can eclipse any manmade CO2 emissions.

Any punter seeing this evidence will know straight away that AGW is a
lie and the carbon tax is a scam.

Proffessor Murry Salby is Chair of Climate Science at Macquarie
University and he has been researching CO2 in our atmosphere.

He has come to the conclusions that,

It’s not just that man-made emissions don’t control the climate, they
don’t even control global CO2 levels.

There goes another “fingerprint”…

Judging by the speech Murry Salby gave at the Sydney Institute,
there’s a blockbuster paper coming soon.

Listen to the speech: “Global Emission of Carbon Dioxide: The
Contribution from Natural Sources”

Professor Murry Salby is Chair of Climate Science at Macquarie
University. He’s been a visiting professorships at Paris, Stockholm,
Jerusalem, and Kyoto, and he’s spent time at the Bureau of Meterology
in Australia.

Over the last two years he has been looking at C12 and C13 ratios and
CO2 levels around the world, and has come to the conclusion that man-
made emissions have only a small effect on global CO2 levels. It’s not
just that man-made emissions don’t control the climate, they don’t
even control global CO2 levels.

The higher levels of CO2 in recent decades appear to be mostly due to
natural sources. He presented this research at the IUGG conference in
Melbourne recently, causing great discussion and shocking a few
people. Word reached the Sydney Institute, which rushed to arrange for
him to speak, given the importance of this work in the current
Australian political climate.
The ratio of C13 to C12 (two isotopes of carbon) in our atmosphere has
been declining, which is usually viewed as a signature of man-made CO2
emissions. C12 makes up 99% of carbon in the atmosphere (nearly all
atmospheric carbon is in the form of CO2). C13 is much rarer — about
1%. Plants don’t like the rarer C13 type as much; photosynthesis works
best on the C12 -type -of-CO2 and not the C13-type when absorbing CO2
from the air.

Prof Salby points out that while fossil fuels are richer in C12 than
the atmosphere, so too is plant life on Earth, and there isn’t a lot
of difference (just 2.6%) in the ratios of C13 to C12 in plants versus
fossil fuels. (Fossil fuels are, after all, made in theory from
plants, so it’s not surprising that it’s hard to tell their
“signatures” apart). So if the C13 to C12 ratio is falling (as more
C12 rich carbon is put into the air by burning fossil fuels) then we
can’t know if it’s due to man-made CO2 or natural CO2 from plants.

Essentially we can measure man-made emissions reasonably well, but we
can’t measure the natural emissions and sequestrations of CO2 at all
precisely — the error bars are huge. Humans emits 5Gt or so per annum,
but the oceans emit about 90Gt and the land-plants about 60Gt, for a
total of maybe 150Gt. Many scientists have assumed that the net flows
of carbon to and from natural sinks and sources of CO2 cancel each
other out, but there is no real data to confirm this and it’s just a
convenient assumption. The problem is that even small fractional
changes in natural emissions or sequestrations swamp the human
emissions

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