100 years ago today

December 17, 1903 at 10:35am Kitty Hawk North Carolina, the Wright
brothers started it all.

Eric

"Eric Toline" wrote in message
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December 17, 1903 at 10:35am Kitty Hawk North Carolina, the Wright
brothers started it all.

Eric


I did hear on the radio today that there was a claim that some Brazilians
did it earlier ???

"Miss L. Toe" wrote:

I did hear on the radio today that there was a claim that some
Brazilians did it earlier ???

There are about seven different claims of earlier flights around the
world. The advantage the Wrights had was that they documented their
feat with photographs, which none of the others, if true, had the
foresight to do. In other words, the Wrights had solid proof, the others
didn't.

Santos-Dumont didn't dispute Wright's claim. He accepted their claim of
"first to fly a powered aircraft"

BTW - there has been much said about the launch by the Wrights being a
"catapult" type of launch and that Santos-Dumont used wheels and took off
under power (this a few years after Wrights' achievement). IF the catapult
were solely responsible for supplying the power, the flyer would have never
gone as far as it did (some 300feet or so - less than the wingspan of some
modern jets) It WAS powered flight

"Miss L. Toe" wrote in message
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"Eric Toline" wrote in message
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December 17, 1903 at 10:35am Kitty Hawk North Carolina, the Wright
brothers started it all.

Eric


I did hear on the radio today that there was a claim that some Brazilians
did it earlier ???

"Miss L. Toe" wrote in message ...
"Eric Toline" wrote in message
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December 17, 1903 at 10:35am Kitty Hawk North Carolina, the Wright
brothers started it all.

Eric


I did hear on the radio today that there was a claim that some Brazilians
did it earlier ???

True. They dressed in chicken feathers, jumped off a cliff in 1605,
and completed the first successful flight, and became also the first
crash victims. Trust me. I was eye-witness to that event! :-))


A more credible claim by the Brazileans can be found in
http://www.flight100.org/history/bra.html

* Júlio (Cesar) finally succeeded with his dream of pursuing the air
* navigation with the flight of another dirigible, called Cruzeiro,
* in 1886 in Paris.


* Another Brazilian, Severo Augusto de Albuquerque Maranhão, born in
* Macaíba, Rio Grande do Norte State in the northeast of Brazil,
designed
* and flew the dirigible Bartolomeu de Gusmão in Rio de Janeiro in
1894


The Kitty Hawk saga and record (powered flights by a pilot):

# The brothers made the first four sustained, powered flights under
# the control of a pilot near Kitty Hawk, N.C., on the morning of
# 17 December 1903.

See: http://www.flight100.org/history/us.html


For the history of flight in other countries, see:
http://www.flight100.org/history/arg.html

and related links.

-- Bob.

Yes, Brazilians completed the first flight.

"Miss L. Toe" wrote in message ...
"Eric Toline" wrote in message
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December 17, 1903 at 10:35am Kitty Hawk North Carolina, the Wright
brothers started it all.

Eric


I did hear on the radio today that there was a claim that some Brazilians
did it earlier ???

100 years ago today

Group: rec.travel.air Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 5:21pm (EST+5) From:
daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com (DALing)
Santos-Dumont didn't dispute Wright's claim. He accepted their claim of
"first to fly a powered aircraft"
BTW - there has been much said about the launch by the Wrights being a
"catapult" type of launch and that Santos-Dumont used wheels and took
off under power (this a few years after Wrights' achievement). IF the
catapult were solely responsible for supplying the power, the flyer
would have never gone as far as it did

(some 300feet or so - less than the wingspan of some modern jets) It WAS
powered flight

IIRC the first flight was 120'. The Discovery Channel has a whole
evening devoted to the occasion starting at 8pm est.

Eric

No, it was a New Zealander - Richard Pierce - despite what the smithsonian
tries to tell you on their solitary sign about him

"Miss L. Toe" wrote in message
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"Eric Toline" wrote in message
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December 17, 1903 at 10:35am Kitty Hawk North Carolina, the Wright
brothers started it all.

Eric


I did hear on the radio today that there was a claim that some Brazilians
did it earlier ???

"Rupert" wrote in message
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No, it was a New Zealander - Richard Pierce - despite what the smithsonian
tries to tell you on their solitary sign about him

Quite correct!

(Eric Toline) wrote in message ...
100 years ago today

IF the catapult were solely responsible for supplying the
power, the flyer would have never gone as far as it did

(some 300feet or so - less than the wingspan of some modern jets) It WAS
powered flight

IIRC the first flight was 120'. The Discovery Channel has a whole
evening devoted to the occasion starting at 8pm est.

The first flight was the 120' flight. There were subsequent
flights the same day that were over 800 feet. Once they got
over the initial shock of having done the deed, they found
that all their thousands of hours of training enabled them to
control the flights very well.

Also noted was that they flew in demonstration after demonstration
in the subsequent months. If there were others doing the same thing,
I would like to know about it. (I'm not saying it didn't happen,
but I sure have not heard about it.)