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A Mate wrote:
I can not see how you could check in on line for International flights, as the check in staff need to sight your passport - to ensure you can legally enter the country to which you're flying. As others have posted, you're wrong. I check in online with KLM from the UK to the Netherlands and back every time. The passport check is carried out at the gate (and at the baggage drop desk if I check a bag in, which mostly I do[1]). [1] Why check in online, then? Two reasons; advance seat selection (and KLM will let you select exit seats in advance, which is very nice) and because the flights I use regularly overbook, and a check-in agent once told me he often turns people away but has never turned someone away that checked in online. Neil |
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quietguy wrote:
I am not very knowledgable in this area, but I thought it was a visa you needed to enter a country other than your own, and the passport for ID and to allow you back into your own country. But of course I may have it mixed up. You did; only some countries require visas. As a holder of a British passport I can travel to many countries without need for a visa, as one indeed can with a US passport. With another passport, that may be fewer countries. Neil |
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Following up to Frank Slootweg :
There is a prevalent misunderstanding about the travel newsgroups. They were intended to be created as runge.travel.* but due to a typo by a news admin, they were created as rec.travel.*. With that background knowledge, you can more readily understand why runge feels a sense of ownership. I was probably one of them there News Admins, so my sincere apologies to Mr. Runge. Mea culpa. mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! LOL! -- Tim C. |
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"Markku Gr?nroos" wrote:
"Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti l... "Markku Gr?nroos" wrote: "Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti l... "Markku Gr?nroos" wrote: "Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti l... And, in case it wasn't clear, all the "You still have to:" actions are done at a *single* and *special* counter (i.e. not the normal check-in counters), which, because the actions are relatively simple/fast, normally won't have long queues, if any. Check in is always proceeded in no more than one counter no matter whether you have a pre-printed boarding card or not. In this day and age of increased security, that's no longer always the case. Well, yes it is. Naturally some gadgets can brake down and hence check in may take place in more than one booth. That's clearly *not* the scenario I'm talking about. I.e. it's a straw man. Sometimes there are seperate drop-off points for luggage (which is going into the hold), where passengers have to present their luggage for The only design for this I have ever seen anywhere is the luggage which takes unconventional dimensions and therefore requires specific handling lines. Can you *read* please? I am saying it's for *security screening* of luggage which goes into the hold (i.e. not cabin luggage). I.e. in the My lines aren't anyhow in contradiction with this. Luggage pre-monitoring is not a check in process and all luggage is subordinated to it. In what way the check in process is arranged, doesn't matter. The luggage pre-monitoring process is equally vital and is carried out in the same fashion regardless of the check in processes. "pre-monitoring"? "pre" to *what*? Anyway, (for example) Singapore Airlines says (in the part of the process which comes after the online/Internet check-in) "check-in your bags". So an *airline* calls dropping off your luggage which goes into the hold "check-in" (of luggage). I hope that you don't mind that I use their use of proper terminology over that of some Usenet poster. old/normal process, hold-luggage is screened during transport from the check-in counter to the aircraft. In this process it's screened at the (seperate) drop-off point. What's your point? The check in process takes place at ONE counter in maximum. And I explained that there are cases where there are TWO, one for the passenger check-in and one for the (going into the *hold*) luggage (security-check/)check-in(/drop-off). You can jump up and down all you want, but in the real world one plus one equals two. I have visited airports were luggage is pre-monitored in a separate process physically away from the check in counters but all the luggage goes through it. Whether you already have a boarding card in your hand or not, is not an issue. In the process I'm describing, it *is* an issue. You must have a boarding card in order to drop-off you hold luggage at the security- check/baggage-drop-off counter. Perhaps we should add (those who are dead from their necks up in mind) that these are not necessarily drop-off points for luggage Actually they seldom are. I haven't seen such an arrangement anywhere. And here we have the crux of the matter: Because you've never seen them, they don't exist? Get real! They *do* exist, for the (*security* screening) reasons I mentioned, and using the process I mentioned. Got it now? All the luggage goes through the inspection in the same fashion. AFTER the inspection they take different paths: those passengers who haven't checked in yet has to do so with their luggage which typically means - especially at busy hours - that they have to queue more or less lengthy period of time while those who have already checked in just leave their luggage to a drop of site without much waiting. These terminals are typically ordinary check in desks but can also be exclusively built for this purpose. It depends and is not anything very relevant. With the minor, but very important, addition that this droff-off process is called *check-in* of your luggage. Which makes it the *second* check-in counter/desk/station/point/whatever, i.e. TWO check-in thingies. Hardly rocket-science, is it? security screening and subsequent check-in. I.e. in that case, These are two and different processes even if the latter is dependent on the first mentioned one. Who cares? I said the followup processes of the online/Internet check-in (*including* baggage drop-off) was at one single counter. You then said that check-in is always at one single counter. I gave a scenario where this isn't the case. QED. EOD. What the heck is this? Check in takes place at one counter and one counter only. If you have to visit desks elsewhere at the airport (passport control, security check and so on, they are not check in processes). Wrong. They *are* check-in processes. See above. As far as luggage probing is concerned, it is all the same whether one has checked in for a flight prior to arrival to the airport or at the airport. It doesn't make any difference at all. This monitoring process is the same for all the passengers with luggage. Do you feel tangled? Yes, it is the same for all passengers (at least for those with the same set of flights), but it isn't always done at the same logical or physical point in the process. *That*'s what I'm saying. traditional check-in is two stops/'counters', one for passenger check-in (seat-assignment/passport+visa-check/boarding-pass) and one for luggage security-check/check-in. Passengers are checked in at one counter. But their *luggage* isn't neccessarily checked in at that same counter and that's the whole/my point. 99.9% of all the airports are furnished so that all the CHECK IN process takes place at ONE counter. Probably more likely something like 90% these days, but no way 99.9%. I have wasted lots of spit to explain that these security monitoring processes which may take place in dedicated areas apart from the check in desks, ARE NOT part of check in process. All passengers and their luggage goes through it. After this process not you nor your luggage have been checked in yet if you haven't been clear BEFORE the inspection. After the luggage inspection, you take it along with you to a CHECK IN counter, ONE CHECK IN COUNTER in which you leave your luggage and receive a boarding card in the case you don't have it in your possession already. Well, *I* have never seen *that* process (first luggage inspection and then (passenger+luggage) check-in). Note that I'm *not* saying it doesn't exist, just that I've never seen it. The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage inspection/check-in/drop-off. No offense, but please read what people write and make sure that your comment is a response to theirs. And if you want to bring up a *different* point, then don't quote. I guess it is you who needs a bit of reading comprehension. Or just say it in Dutch. See above. Bottom line is you don't know it, 'so' it doesn't exist. |
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"Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti l... "pre-monitoring"? "pre" to *what*? Relative to check in, of course. Anyway, (for example) Singapore Airlines says (in the part of the process which comes after the online/Internet check-in) "check-in your bags". So an *airline* calls dropping off your luggage which goes into the hold "check-in" (of luggage). I hope that you don't mind that I use their use of proper terminology over that of some Usenet poster. And what are you willing to say by this? You only visit one counter (where you check in you luggage). And I explained that there are cases where there are TWO, one for the passenger check-in and one for the (going into the *hold*) luggage (security-check/)check-in(/drop-off). You can jump up and down all you want, but in the real world one plus one equals two. The problem is your misconception about the check in process. It means that you and your luggage report for the flight you have reserved and paid for. It takes place at one counter. Try to understand than when a passenger checks in for a flight, he does so for his luggage too. This takes place in one place in front of one and the same counter. Security checks have nothing to do with this. They take place elsewhere. I have visited airports were luggage is pre-monitored in a separate process physically away from the check in counters but all the luggage goes through it. Whether you already have a boarding card in your hand or not, is not an issue. In the process I'm describing, it *is* an issue. You must have a boarding card in order to drop-off you hold luggage at the security- check/baggage-drop-off counter. Of course, this takes place 1. at one and the same counter you check in for the flight as a passenger 2. after you have gotten a boarding card by printing it during a check in procedure whether in internet or by a dedicated, special purpose machinery at the airport in either case you check in at ONE check in counter in maximum. One for luggage and possibly one for a passenger. I guess most pre-check-in systems print not only boarding passes but tags for luggage as well. So, it is easy to take a point of view (a valid one) that in such a case you actually don't check in at counter but show your flight oriented documents (and perhaps some other documents) to check in personnel proving that you have already done so. Otherwise we couldn't reasonably talk about "internet check ins", could we. Perhaps we should add (those who are dead from their necks up in mind) that these are not necessarily drop-off points for luggage Actually they seldom are. I haven't seen such an arrangement anywhere. And here we have the crux of the matter: Because you've never seen them, they don't exist? Get real! They *do* exist, for the (*security* screening) reasons I mentioned, and using the process I mentioned. Got it now? They must be very rare. Check in takes place at one counter. All the luggage goes through the inspection in the same fashion. AFTER the inspection they take different paths: those passengers who haven't checked in yet has to do so with their luggage which typically means - especially at busy hours - that they have to queue more or less lengthy period of time while those who have already checked in just leave their luggage to a drop of site without much waiting. These terminals are typically ordinary check in desks but can also be exclusively built for this purpose. It depends and is not anything very relevant. With the minor, but very important, addition that this droff-off process is called *check-in* of your luggage. Which makes it the *second* check-in counter/desk/station/point/whatever, i.e. TWO check-in thingies. Hardly rocket-science, is it? There is only one check in counter involved: And there you check in for a flight from the very beginning to very end of it. Typically this doesn't take much time. However, when this procedure is repeated dozens of times before you are in front of the queue, it may take a good deal of time. What the heck is this? Check in takes place at one counter and one counter only. If you have to visit desks elsewhere at the airport (passport control, security check and so on, they are not check in processes). Wrong. They *are* check-in processes. See above. Not wrong. They are NOT check in processes. The misconception takes place at this point. Checking in takes place at specific counters which are called not too surprisingly "check in counters". You find them at about all commercial airports. As far as luggage probing is concerned, it is all the same whether one has checked in for a flight prior to arrival to the airport or at the airport. It doesn't make any difference at all. This monitoring process is the same for all the passengers with luggage. Do you feel tangled? Yes, it is the same for all passengers (at least for those with the same set of flights), but it isn't always done at the same logical or physical point in the process. *That*'s what I'm saying. There is no reason to proceed in checking in at several counters. Ask anyone else in these travel groups and they most likely agree with me. But their *luggage* isn't neccessarily checked in at that same counter and that's the whole/my point. 99.9% of all the airports are furnished so that all the CHECK IN process takes place at ONE counter. Probably more likely something like 90% these days, but no way 99.9%. The latter figure is definitely closer to the point. I have wasted lots of spit to explain that these security monitoring processes which may take place in dedicated areas apart from the check in desks, ARE NOT part of check in process. All passengers and their luggage goes through it. After this process not you nor your luggage have been checked in yet if you haven't been clear BEFORE the inspection. After the luggage inspection, you take it along with you to a CHECK IN counter, ONE CHECK IN COUNTER in which you leave your luggage and receive a boarding card in the case you don't have it in your possession already. Well, *I* have never seen *that* process (first luggage inspection and then (passenger+luggage) check-in). Note that I'm *not* saying it doesn't exist, just that I've never seen it. This is very commonplace in these days at large airports. It naturally depends on the equipments how the screening takes place. However, this has nothing to do with the number of check in booths involved. The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage inspection/check-in/drop-off. Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this. |
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:34:56 +1000, "A Mate"
wrote: "kay" wrote in message ... Has anyone travelled with CathayPacific and used their online check in. Was there any problems when you got to the airport. Is there a special bag check-in area if you have already checked yourself in online. I've used on-line check in for domestic flights - and yes there is a special bag tag counter. I wasn't aware that Cathay Pacific operated domestic flights. I can not see how you could check in on line for International flights, as the check in staff need to sight your passport - to ensure you can legally enter the country to which you're flying. I check in online all the time for BA flights. ===================== Dave There are 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. |
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On 20 Nov 2006 18:37:33 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote: Yes, I already mentioned that and that's why I said "main advantage". And, in case it wasn't clear, all the "You still have to:" actions are done at a *single* and *special* counter (i.e. not the normal check-in counters), which, because the actions are relatively simple/fast, normally won't have long queues, if any. What if I only have cabin baggage? I check-in at home, print out my BP, arrive at the airport, go through immigration, clear security, and the first the airline sees of meis when I show up at the gate. What then? Dave ===================== Dave There are 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. |
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"Markku Gr?nroos" wrote:
"Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti [Severely snipping because there no longer is any point.] The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage inspection/check-in/drop-off. Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this. For *example* Schiphol airport ("Amsterdam"). And as I said in my very first response (on *this* subject): These are *sometimes* used for (increased) *security* reasons, i.e. they are *not* "routines", but *exceptions* to the general routines: Check in is always proceeded in no more than one counter no matter whether you have a pre-printed boarding card or not. In this day and age of increased security, that's no longer always the case. Sometimes there are seperate drop-off points for luggage (which is going into the hold), where passengers have to present their luggage for security screening and subsequent check-in. I.e. in that case, traditional check-in is two stops/'counters', one for passenger check-in (seat-assignment/passport+visa-check/boarding-pass) and one for luggage security-check/check-in. |
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"Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti l... "Markku Gr?nroos" wrote: "Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti [Severely snipping because there no longer is any point.] The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage inspection/check-in/drop-off. Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this. For *example* Schiphol airport ("Amsterdam"). Bull. At Schiphol one checks in at ONE counter. I have never done it at more than one counter at Schiphol (even though I usually don't have anything to do in Amsterdam itself but use the airport just for changing planes and most often I have been given boarding cards for following legs at the start point, if this is not the case you typically can check in the transit area). Check in takes place in front of rows of booths which are indicated .. well... as "check in". You pick any of them (different "classes" typically have dedicated booths) to check in for a flight - only one. |
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"Markku Grönroos" wrote:
"Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti l... "Markku Gr?nroos" wrote: "Frank Slootweg" kirjoitti [Severely snipping because there no longer is any point.] The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage inspection/check-in/drop-off. Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this. For *example* Schiphol airport ("Amsterdam"). Bull. At Schiphol one checks in at ONE counter. I have never done it at more than one counter at Schiphol (even though I usually don't have anything to do in Amsterdam itself but use the airport just for changing planes and most often I have been given boarding cards for following legs at the start point, if this is not the case you typically can check in the transit area). Check in takes place in front of rows of booths which are indicated .. well... as "check in". You pick any of them (different "classes" typically have dedicated booths) to check in for a flight - only one. I don't know whether every airline does it the same way, but at Schiphol I frequently use the electronic kiosks to check in. I am pretty sure you can use them whether or not you have already checked in online, though there may be a separate batch of machines for those people. I am about to board a flight to there, and I have a couple hours to kill after I get there (meeting another arriving passenger), so I will try to wander upstairs and have a look and report back, so we can put this clash of the titans to rest. miguel -- Hit the road! Photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu Detailed airport information: http://airport.u.nu |
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