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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:51:05 -0500, Fred wrote:
The Yahoo people can add him in with us Some of the Yahoo crowd can't add. |
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:06:02 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:
What I don't get is why they call his execution day "Good" anything! Becasue it was only bad for Him. |
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Thus spake Chrissy Cruiser :
Only because Constantine arbitrarilly choose that date to compete with a pre-existing Roman Holiday, Saturnus, or Saturnella. On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:11:02 GMT, Karen Segboer wrote: You got that right, James. But then, only someone with a scratch of learnin' would know that. Everyone else just parade like lemmings towards any religious "event." Karen, agnostic (That's right. I don't even have enough faith in my own beliefs to label myself an atheist!) I grew up across the street from Orthodox Jews. When the built their house, they had one of those convex windows you could sit in. Yep. Largest Christmas tree in the neighborhood. ??????? Christmas is a big holiday in Japan. I've heard that it's becoming popular in China, too. Has nothing to do with Christ and everything to do with conspicuous consumption. -- dillon "When the French are against it, you know we can't be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman |
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Thus spake Chrissy Cruiser :
Only because Constantine arbitrarilly choose that date to compete with a pre-existing Roman Holiday, Saturnus, or Saturnella. On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:11:02 GMT, Karen Segboer wrote: You got that right, James. But then, only someone with a scratch of learnin' would know that. Everyone else just parade like lemmings towards any religious "event." Karen, agnostic (That's right. I don't even have enough faith in my own beliefs to label myself an atheist!) I grew up across the street from Orthodox Jews. When the built their house, they had one of those convex windows you could sit in. Yep. Largest Christmas tree in the neighborhood. ??????? Christmas is a big holiday in Japan. I've heard that it's becoming popular in China, too. Has nothing to do with Christ and everything to do with conspicuous consumption. -- dillon "When the French are against it, you know we can't be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman |
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Thus spake Paul Burke :
Phyllis wrote: Since December 25th is celebrated as Christmas, those who don't believe in it or in celebrating it should not accept the day off and the holiday pay that goes with it. We'll celebrate what the bloody hell we like, kid. It's been Xmas for the last 50 years that I know of, Yule logs on sale in the baker's (thta's an echo of the fire we burned the sacrificed virgin in the days when we could find them) and I'd like to see you giving up New Year as a purely Scottish holiday. Fact 1- Bar Yussuf was NOT born on 25th December 0 AD. For several reasons I can't be bothered going into here. Fact 2- If the American Baptists had any honesty to their OWN religious traditions, they would celebrate Christmas by going to work normally and avoiding the food and jollity banned by the English Puritan Oliver Cromwell. Christmas is Arminian (or Roman of course). There are several Christian sects that, in fact, ignore Christmas but celebrate Easter as a time of joy. I believe both the Mennonites and the Amish believe this, as do some Pentacostals. Paul Burke -- dillon "When the French are against it, you know we can't be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman |
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John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam p.paulfriedmanNoS wrote (in ) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004: So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting target. By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too. A quick roundup of religion and theology http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Ginohn.../hankisms.html "Greco-Roman - Hank and his dysfunctional family are suffering from some trust issues, and aren't giving out any money. It doesn't matter whose ass you kiss; the others will kick the **** out of you. " -- Dirk The Consensus:- The political party for the new millenium http://www.theconsensus.org |
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John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam p.paulfriedmanNoS wrote (in ) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004: So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting target. By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too. A quick roundup of religion and theology http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Ginohn.../hankisms.html "Greco-Roman - Hank and his dysfunctional family are suffering from some trust issues, and aren't giving out any money. It doesn't matter whose ass you kiss; the others will kick the **** out of you. " -- Dirk The Consensus:- The political party for the new millenium http://www.theconsensus.org |
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"Dillon Pyron" wrote There are several Christian sects that, in fact, ignore Christmas but celebrate Easter as a time of joy. I believe both the Mennonites and the Amish believe this, as do some Pentacostals. I can't speak for the Pentacostals, but the Amish and Mennonites here in PA have strong Christmas traditions and celebrations. http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticl...hchristmas.htm The Mennonites tend to be more like mainstream Christians in the way they celebrate Christmas while the Amish celebrations are more in line with their usual religious "meetings". The biggest difference is that most Amish sects do not have churches... meeting to worship in each other's homes on a rotating basis. But both definitely celebrate Christmas. -- George in PA http://www.countryside-travel.com The Mother of All Group Cruises http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com Miracle in May - http://www.cruisemaster.com/miracle.htm September - Triumph Canada/NE - http://www.cruisemaster.com/carnivalFall.htm October - Princess Caribbean http://www.cruisemaster.com/caribprin.htm |
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But a terrible misogynist. There is reason to believe that Christianity won
because of its popularity with women -- who were excluded from worshipping Mithras. Paul "John Woodgate" wrote in message ... I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam p.paulfriedmanNoS wrote (in ) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004: So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting target. By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk |
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