Anger on the left

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The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with
any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a
sometime thing. It is a way of life.

How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the
streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students
on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the
visitor from speaking at all?

Are you really this STUPID???? I mean really?????

Yep, sadly peabrain is that stupid.

I agree but he does know how to get lots of people annoyed with him and I am
sure he enjoys that. There's not much going on for him in his sad little
trailer park and this is way he gets one of his very few pleasures.

It brings a warm glow to this old atheist socialist's heart to know that
we are able to help the poor even in such a minor way when the
instruments of the church state have so clearly failed him.

"abelard" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:57:36 -0700, "The Trucker"
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"FACE" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:13:38 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "The Trucker"
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"Mani Deli" wrote in message
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On 17 May 2007 02:57:58 -0700, PJ O'Donovan wrote:


The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent.


Then let me see if I can clarify it for you: I hate George Bush and his
Nazi
administration with a white hot hatred that can never be understood by
the weak kneed rightards that form the Bush butt sucker league. The
cowering of the, so called, "right" in the face of any moral decision is
putrid. The notion that my freedom and liberty are to be scarified
for YOUR safety and security is, to me, loathsome and despicable. And
the icing on the cake is when you rigtarded pieces of Republican
pig **** refer to true Americans as cowards. You have the gall and the
self righteous hypocrisy to claim that a Liberal defense of the real
America is somehow unpatriotic. You prance around mouthing
democracy while knowing full well that you fear democracy much more
than you fear the evil "terrorists". For without the "terrorists" what
have you got? And if democracy reigns you know you are done.

There was a time when conservatism actually had some value. But
those conservative principles were dead and buried before the close
of 1982.

You are an excellent example of the irrational hatred that emanates from the
left.


Thank you. You will do well, however, to look up the definition of
"rational". The root, I believe, is something like "without reason".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality

ah yes....wikipedia...that figures

Aristotle called the human a rational animal, by which he intended the
meaning: an animal that uses language.

cue...now start wanking about greek


Why??? If you don't like the wiki entry, change it. It's called
freedom. What a concept!

--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org

On Thu, 17 May 2007 16:55:30 -0700, "The Trucker"
wrote:

"abelard" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:57:36 -0700, "The Trucker"
wrote:

"FACE" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:13:38 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "The Trucker"
, wrote

"Mani Deli" wrote in message
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On 17 May 2007 02:57:58 -0700, PJ O'Donovan wrote:


The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent.


Then let me see if I can clarify it for you: I hate George Bush and his
Nazi
administration with a white hot hatred that can never be understood by
the weak kneed rightards that form the Bush butt sucker league. The
cowering of the, so called, "right" in the face of any moral decision is
putrid. The notion that my freedom and liberty are to be scarified
for YOUR safety and security is, to me, loathsome and despicable. And
the icing on the cake is when you rigtarded pieces of Republican
pig **** refer to true Americans as cowards. You have the gall and the
self righteous hypocrisy to claim that a Liberal defense of the real
America is somehow unpatriotic. You prance around mouthing
democracy while knowing full well that you fear democracy much more
than you fear the evil "terrorists". For without the "terrorists" what
have you got? And if democracy reigns you know you are done.

There was a time when conservatism actually had some value. But
those conservative principles were dead and buried before the close
of 1982.

You are an excellent example of the irrational hatred that emanates from the
left.


Thank you. You will do well, however, to look up the definition of
"rational". The root, I believe, is something like "without reason".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality

ah yes....wikipedia...that figures

Aristotle called the human a rational animal, by which he intended the
meaning: an animal that uses language.

cue...now start wanking about greek


Why??? If you don't like the wiki entry, change it.

you clearly know nothing about wikipedia either...
if i change it, it will be changed back tomorrow.....

if i do it a few times i will be banned....

if i work to get 'accepted' by those who own/control wikipedia
they will steal my work for their own ends...
i prefer to control my own copyright/s
i prefer to have my own work signed....

links are removed and other irrelevant links applied on a daily
basis...web site owners use such links to promote their own sites
on google...and to undermine links from competitor sites....

i do not with to play games with idiots...

i read one very short wiki article in the last week....in an area
in which i am no expert...it contained at least 3 errors of
fact within my own limited knowledge....
i have tried correcting wiki to test the system...i have drawn
my conclusions from those experiences

wiki is widely quoted and believed by the incautious and students...
great amounts of wiki are effective copying....

google would be better black listing wiki....it is undermining their
grading system.....
teachers should strongly warn their students to check everything,
in and out of wiki

It's called freedom. What a concept!

you mean freedom to mislead i s'pose...
a 'right' that seems very dear to socialists and no wonder



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"abelard" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:51:14 +0100, "John Rennie"
wrote:

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and
the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron." What prescience.

nah, you'll never make president


Your statement is moot. Mencken's prediction has already been fulfilled by
Bush and the idiots like you who voted for him.

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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of
fighting a foreign enemy." James Madison

On Fri, 18 May 2007 03:54:43 GMT, "ccr" wrote:


"abelard" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:51:14 +0100, "John Rennie"
wrote:

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and
the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron." What prescience.

nah, you'll never make president


Your statement is moot. Mencken's prediction has already been fulfilled by
Bush and the idiots like you who voted for him.

vaguely interesting to watch you struggling...but no more than that

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energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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On 17 May, 10:57, PJ O'Donovan wrote:
The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

http://www.nationwidespeakers.com/sp.../Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with
any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a
sometime thing. It is a way of life.

How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the
streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students
on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the
visitor from speaking at all?

The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent. The targets of their anger have included
people who are non-confrontational or even genial, such as Ronald
Reagan and George W. Bush.

It is hard to think of a time when Karl Rove or Dick Cheney has even
raised his voice but they are hated like the devil incarnate.

There doesn't even have to be any identifiable individual to arouse
the ire of the left. "Tax cuts for the rich" is more than a political
slogan. It is incitement to anger.

All sorts of people can have all sorts of beliefs about what tax rates
are best from various points of view. But how can people work
themselves into a lather over the fact that some taxpayers are able to
keep more of the money they earned, instead of turning it over to
politicians to dispense in ways calculated to get themselves
re-elected?

The angry left has no time to spend even considering the argument that
what they call "tax cuts for the rich" are in fact tax cuts for the
economy.

Nor is the idea new that tax cuts can sometimes spur economic growth,
resulting in more jobs for workers and higher earnings for business,
leading to more tax revenue for the government.

A highly regarded economist once observed that "taxation may be so
high as to defeat its object," so that sometimes "a reduction of
taxation will run a better chance, than an increase, of balancing the
Budget."

Who said that? Milton Friedman? Arthur Laffer? No. It was said in 1933
by John Maynard Keynes, a liberal icon.

Lower tax rates have led to higher tax revenues many times, both
before and since Keynes' statement -- the Kennedy tax cuts in the
1960s, the Reagan tax cuts in the 1980s, and the recent Bush tax cuts
that have led to record high tax revenues this April.

Budget deficits have often resulted from runaway spending but seldom
from reduced tax rates.

Those on the other side may have different arguments. However, the
question here is not why the left has different arguments, but why
there is such anger.

Often it is an exercise in futility even to seek to find a principle
behind the anger. For example, the left's obsession with the high
incomes of corporate executives never seems to extend to equally high
-- or higher -- incomes of professional athletes, entertainers, or
best-selling authors like Danielle Steel.

If the reason for the anger is a feeling that corporate CEOs are
overpaid for their contributions, then there should be even more anger
at people who get even more money for doing absolutely nothing,
because they have inherited fortunes.

Yet how often has the left gotten worked up into high dudgeon over
those who inherited the Rockefeller, Roosevelt or Kennedy fortunes?
Even spoiled heirs like Paris Hilton don't really seem to set them
off.

If it is hard to find a principle behind what angers the left, it is
not equally hard to find an attitude.

Their greatest anger seems to be directed at people and things that
thwart or undermine the social vision of the left, the political
melodrama starring the left as saviors of the poor, the environment,
and other busybody tasks that they have taken on.

It seems to be the threat to their egos that they hate. And nothing is
more of a threat to their desire to run other people's lives than the
free market and its defenders

You'll find that most of the anger, dissatisfaction, moaning and
whinging in this forum comes from the right! :-)

abelard wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 16:55:30 -0700, "The Trucker"
wrote:

"abelard" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:57:36 -0700, "The Trucker"
wrote:

"FACE" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:13:38 -0700, in uk.politics.misc "The Trucker"
, wrote

"Mani Deli" wrote in message
...
On 17 May 2007 02:57:58 -0700, PJ O'Donovan wrote:


The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent.

Then let me see if I can clarify it for you: I hate George Bush and his
Nazi
administration with a white hot hatred that can never be understood by
the weak kneed rightards that form the Bush butt sucker league. The
cowering of the, so called, "right" in the face of any moral decision is
putrid. The notion that my freedom and liberty are to be scarified
for YOUR safety and security is, to me, loathsome and despicable. And
the icing on the cake is when you rigtarded pieces of Republican
pig **** refer to true Americans as cowards. You have the gall and the
self righteous hypocrisy to claim that a Liberal defense of the real
America is somehow unpatriotic. You prance around mouthing
democracy while knowing full well that you fear democracy much more
than you fear the evil "terrorists". For without the "terrorists" what
have you got? And if democracy reigns you know you are done.

There was a time when conservatism actually had some value. But
those conservative principles were dead and buried before the close
of 1982.
You are an excellent example of the irrational hatred that emanates from the
left.

Thank you. You will do well, however, to look up the definition of
"rational". The root, I believe, is something like "without reason".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality
ah yes....wikipedia...that figures

Aristotle called the human a rational animal, by which he intended the
meaning: an animal that uses language.

cue...now start wanking about greek

Why??? If you don't like the wiki entry, change it.

you clearly know nothing about wikipedia either...
if i change it, it will be changed back tomorrow.....

if i do it a few times i will be banned....

if i work to get 'accepted' by those who own/control wikipedia
they will steal my work for their own ends...
i prefer to control my own copyright/s
i prefer to have my own work signed....

links are removed and other irrelevant links applied on a daily
basis...web site owners use such links to promote their own sites
on google...and to undermine links from competitor sites....

i do not with to play games with idiots...

i read one very short wiki article in the last week....in an area
in which i am no expert...it contained at least 3 errors of
fact within my own limited knowledge....
i have tried correcting wiki to test the system...i have drawn
my conclusions from those experiences

wiki is widely quoted and believed by the incautious and students...
great amounts of wiki are effective copying....

google would be better black listing wiki....it is undermining their
grading system.....
teachers should strongly warn their students to check everything,
in and out of wiki

It's called freedom. What a concept!

you mean freedom to mislead i s'pose...
a 'right' that seems very dear to socialists and no wonder



Wiki is a 14yo geeks wet dream, for the rest of us it is barely worth
the effort of reading it.
Mick C

PJ O'Donovan wrote:

The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

That is correct.

BUT - not even a fraction of the hatred seen of the right wing
extremists.

Just to mention a few, Le Pen, Blair (he is a right wing extremist under
cover) Bush, Ku Klux Klan, the right wing so-called christans in the us
and so on. The hatred swept away JFK for example, not to mention right
wing extremists running their private wars all over the world....

The failure of the Cuba invasion, the failure in Korea, Vietnam, up to
the failures of the right wing hatred in Afghanistan and Iraq.

/nisse

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Remove the obvious part before replying by mail please!

...There's not much going on for him in his sad little
trailer park

John Rennie

I would venture to say I spend far less time on this nonsense than you
do. Cutting and pasting allows more time for other pursuits

Every time you left wing whackos come out with your clueless "trailer
park" stuff I know i have succeeded in making you angry and as Sowell
states you lefties are driven to anger so easily.

How would you, living in that dismal place called the UK have any clue
about my living conditions in the USA? You are just venting your anger
with unfounded accusations.

As Sowell states"

"..Their greatest anger seems to be directed at people and things that
thwart or undermine the social vision of the left, the political
melodrama starring the left as saviors of the poor, the environment,
and other busybody tasks that they have taken on.

It seems to be the threat to their egos that they hate. And nothing is
more of a threat to their desire to run other people's lives than the
free market and its defenders.."

Sowell sure has you lefties pegged doesn't he Rennie?



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"PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message
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The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with
any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a
sometime thing. It is a way of life.

How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the
streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students
on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the
visitor from speaking at all?

Are you really this STUPID???? I mean really?????

Yep, sadly peabrain is that stupid.

I agree but he does know how to get lots of people annoyed with him and I am
sure he enjoys that. There's not much going on for him in his sad little
trailer park and this is way he gets one of his very few pleasures.

wrote...

The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Do a review of the opinions of those on the right, while Bill Clinton
was president. "Hostility and even hatred" doesn't come close to
some of that bile.