any 1 been to syria?

In article ,
"Gregory Morrow" wrote:


The only thing that's wrong with the Middle East are the inbred arabs and
moozlims that infest the area, DFM...the ONLY place that's half - way decent
in the whole Levant is Israel...they've made something of themselves.

What would Israel have made without billions in US military and economic
aid?

Make credence recognised that on Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:38:07 -0700,
poldy has scripted:

In article ,
"Gregory Morrow" wrote:


The only thing that's wrong with the Middle East are the inbred arabs and
moozlims that infest the area, DFM...the ONLY place that's half - way decent
in the whole Levant is Israel...they've made something of themselves.

What would Israel have made without billions in US military and economic
aid?

They are primarily Jews, and know how to make money. Don't doubt it.
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poldy wrote:

In article ,
"Gregory Morrow" wrote:


The only thing that's wrong with the Middle East are the inbred arabs
and
moozlims that infest the area, DFM...the ONLY place that's half - way
decent
in the whole Levant is Israel...they've made something of themselves.

What would Israel have made without billions in US military and economic
aid?


Jews as a group are pretty smart, that's one of the reasons they have
survived, and in this case, thrived. You can take away everything in a
person's life, but *not* what they have in their heads...

I don't mind one bit the billions in aid that the US (or other nations) have
given to Israel, it's worth every penny. Israel is a successful place in
the sewer that is the Middle East, a stabilising influence (including the
fact that they have an atomic arsenal), a democracy. We and others have
given billions in aid to Egypt, too, but it's still a real ****ehole of a
place. Why do you think that is...???

Don't anybody start crying to me about the "poor Palestinians", they've been
given pretty much everything they've asked for (Olso Accord and other
treaties), MANY billions in aid from all around the world, yet even the
small areas they rule (Gaza strip...) are an absolute messes. With all that
aid and support and kind wishes of the international communitiy you'd think
by now a place like Gaza would be another Singapore or Luxembourg or other
thriving place. Why do you think that is...???

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Greg

In article ,
"Gregory Morrow" wrote:

I don't mind one bit the billions in aid that the US (or other nations) have
given to Israel, it's worth every penny. Israel is a successful place in
the sewer that is the Middle East, a stabilising influence (including the
fact that they have an atomic arsenal), a democracy. We and others have
given billions in aid to Egypt, too, but it's still a real ****ehole of a
place. Why do you think that is...???


Some would argue that US aid has made Americans targets of terrorism.
In fact, Bin Laden cites it as one of the reasons for his war against
us. Now, he may be blowing smoke but there's no question that what
Israel has done in the name of self-defense or whatever (not sure how
settlements are about self-defense) has helped recruit terrorists.


Israel has done better since the '90s economically. There's some
technological startups there, not to mention key R&D facilities for
companies like Intel.

But it was a basket-case in the '80s and before with hyper inflation.
And it continues to get ever-increasing amount of US aid.

Now apparently, some Americans are willing to attack Iran in the name of
national security when really, the prime beneficiary of such an attack
would be Israel. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself, if one wants
to argue that we need Israel to be stronger than any other country, or
all those other countries there combined.

Just be honest about it.

In article ,
"Gregory Morrow" wrote:

We and others have
given billions in aid to Egypt, too, but it's still a real ****ehole of a
place. Why do you think that is...???

Don't anybody start crying to me about the "poor Palestinians", they've been
given pretty much everything they've asked for (Olso Accord and other
treaties), MANY billions in aid from all around the world, yet even the
small areas they rule (Gaza strip...) are an absolute messes. With all that
aid and support and kind wishes of the international communitiy you'd think
by now a place like Gaza would be another Singapore or Luxembourg or other
thriving place. Why do you think that is...???


Egypt is a corrupt, autocratic country, which represses a lot of
elements of its population, including Islamic extremists. That is
partly what we're probably paying them to do.

As for Gaza becoming another Singapore or Luxembourg, not bloody likely.
Doesn't Israel still tightly control the flow of goods and people in and
out?

Can Gaza even trade with the rest of the world even if they produced
anything of value?

Kind of hard to get an economy going if IDF can come in at any time and
bomb civilian infrastructure. That's not the only reason, certainly
there is internal strife and a huge lack of leadership. Their so-called
leaders will encourage or at least do nothing to discourage Palestinian
children from throwing rocks at IDF or going on suicide missions.
Meanwhile, they send their own children to boarding schools in Europe.

Anyways, Singapore is a repressive society as well so not a great
example.

poldy wrote:

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Anyways, Singapore is a repressive society as well so not a great
example.

Were you expecting reasoned debate and good examples of anything here?
All it takes is a Muslim country in the subject header on r.t.e., and it
attracts the various resident bigots like flies to a lightbulb.

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poldy wrote:

In article ,
"Gregory Morrow" wrote:

We and others have
given billions in aid to Egypt, too, but it's still a real ****ehole of a
place. Why do you think that is...???

Don't anybody start crying to me about the "poor Palestinians", they've been
given pretty much everything they've asked for (Olso Accord and other
treaties), MANY billions in aid from all around the world, yet even the
small areas they rule (Gaza strip...) are an absolute messes. With all that
aid and support and kind wishes of the international communitiy you'd think
by now a place like Gaza would be another Singapore or Luxembourg or other
thriving place. Why do you think that is...???

Egypt is a corrupt, autocratic country, which represses a lot of
elements of its population, including Islamic extremists. That is
partly what we're probably paying them to do.

As for Gaza becoming another Singapore or Luxembourg, not bloody likely.
Doesn't Israel still tightly control the flow of goods and people in and
out?

More than 100% control, nothing gets in or out!


Can Gaza even trade with the rest of the world even if they produced
anything of value?

No, they can not export!


Kind of hard to get an economy going if IDF can come in at any time and
bomb civilian infrastructure. That's not the only reason, certainly
there is internal strife and a huge lack of leadership. Their so-called
leaders will encourage or at least do nothing to discourage Palestinian
children from throwing rocks at IDF or going on suicide missions.
Meanwhile, they send their own children to boarding schools in Europe.

Anyways, Singapore is a repressive society as well so not a great
example.

Not a democracy, they got their own GB.

/Nisse


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On Oct 1, 1:56 am, "rama.travel.syria"
wrote:
hello every body just curious if any body here in this group ever been
to syria
whats the empressions of those who had?

i dont understand u ppl sitting there planning forother country how
they should be
let them be
may be dumb in ur prespective may be poor maybe ignorant what ever u
think its none of ur god damn buisness to interferr
u keep saying israel its a cancer not a country
they took over palestine came from all around the world driven by
extremist on the base of whats written in there holy book tawrat
u can also say that bin laden did his deed on the base of whathe read
in his holy book quran tell him to kill the people who invades his
muslim land was and still
israilees (sorry zahinists) invaded palestine 60 years ago saying it
was there's more than 2000 years ago palestinians and muslims trying
to recover muslim land under occupation was for about 1300 years a
muslim land was only invaded 60 years ago
u say u give money to them they dont need ur money as long as ulet
them be without occupation muslims are not on differince with jewes
its a religion muslims respect for islam beleives in all prophets
since adam habel noa abraham david moses jesus till last prophet
mohammed
any way freedoom is all palestinians want

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) writes:

Anyways, Singapore is a repressive society as well so not a great
example.

Were you expecting reasoned debate and good examples of anything here?
All it takes is a Muslim country in the subject header on r.t.e., and it
attracts the various resident bigots like flies to a lightbulb.


Saying anything about a Moslem country that's less than flattering
_ipso facto_ means that someone is a bigot? This must be an example
of that famous liberal openmindedness I've heard so much about...



Geoff

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