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Old May 17th, 2007, 10:57 AM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
PJ O'Donovan[_1_]
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The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with
any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a
sometime thing. It is a way of life.

How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the
streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students
on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the
visitor from speaking at all?

The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent. The targets of their anger have included
people who are non-confrontational or even genial, such as Ronald
Reagan and George W. Bush.

It is hard to think of a time when Karl Rove or Dick Cheney has even
raised his voice but they are hated like the devil incarnate.

There doesn't even have to be any identifiable individual to arouse
the ire of the left. "Tax cuts for the rich" is more than a political
slogan. It is incitement to anger.

All sorts of people can have all sorts of beliefs about what tax rates
are best from various points of view. But how can people work
themselves into a lather over the fact that some taxpayers are able to
keep more of the money they earned, instead of turning it over to
politicians to dispense in ways calculated to get themselves
re-elected?

The angry left has no time to spend even considering the argument that
what they call "tax cuts for the rich" are in fact tax cuts for the
economy.

Nor is the idea new that tax cuts can sometimes spur economic growth,
resulting in more jobs for workers and higher earnings for business,
leading to more tax revenue for the government.

A highly regarded economist once observed that "taxation may be so
high as to defeat its object," so that sometimes "a reduction of
taxation will run a better chance, than an increase, of balancing the
Budget."

Who said that? Milton Friedman? Arthur Laffer? No. It was said in 1933
by John Maynard Keynes, a liberal icon.

Lower tax rates have led to higher tax revenues many times, both
before and since Keynes' statement -- the Kennedy tax cuts in the
1960s, the Reagan tax cuts in the 1980s, and the recent Bush tax cuts
that have led to record high tax revenues this April.

Budget deficits have often resulted from runaway spending but seldom
from reduced tax rates.

Those on the other side may have different arguments. However, the
question here is not why the left has different arguments, but why
there is such anger.

Often it is an exercise in futility even to seek to find a principle
behind the anger. For example, the left's obsession with the high
incomes of corporate executives never seems to extend to equally high
-- or higher -- incomes of professional athletes, entertainers, or
best-selling authors like Danielle Steel.

If the reason for the anger is a feeling that corporate CEOs are
overpaid for their contributions, then there should be even more anger
at people who get even more money for doing absolutely nothing,
because they have inherited fortunes.

Yet how often has the left gotten worked up into high dudgeon over
those who inherited the Rockefeller, Roosevelt or Kennedy fortunes?
Even spoiled heirs like Paris Hilton don't really seem to set them
off.

If it is hard to find a principle behind what angers the left, it is
not equally hard to find an attitude.

Their greatest anger seems to be directed at people and things that
thwart or undermine the social vision of the left, the political
melodrama starring the left as saviors of the poor, the environment,
and other busybody tasks that they have taken on.

It seems to be the threat to their egos that they hate. And nothing is
more of a threat to their desire to run other people's lives than the
free market and its defenders

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Old May 17th, 2007, 11:38 AM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
True Blue[_2_]
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"PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message
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The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with
any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a
sometime thing. It is a way of life.

How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the
streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students
on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the
visitor from speaking at all?


Good article - Thomas Sowell rocks.

The envy of the Left shows through whenever you scratch the surface.


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Old May 17th, 2007, 12:32 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
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"PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message
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The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with
any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a
sometime thing. It is a way of life.

How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the
streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students
on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the
visitor from speaking at all?


Good article - Thomas Sowell rocks.

The envy of the Left shows through whenever you scratch the surface.


Obviously neither you, Sowell, or poor old peejay have never seen the
extreme right in action. I have. I've seen Mosleyites and the BNP at work
and it's not pretty.


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Old May 17th, 2007, 02:02 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
abelard
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On 17 May 2007 02:57:58 -0700, PJ O'Donovan wrote:


The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just
as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not
surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of
those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.

Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with
any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a
sometime thing. It is a way of life.

How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians take to the
streets, shouting angry slogans? How often have conservative students
on campus shouted down a visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the
visitor from speaking at all?

The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent. The targets of their anger have included
people who are non-confrontational or even genial, such as Ronald
Reagan and George W. Bush.

It is hard to think of a time when Karl Rove or Dick Cheney has even
raised his voice but they are hated like the devil incarnate.

There doesn't even have to be any identifiable individual to arouse
the ire of the left. "Tax cuts for the rich" is more than a political
slogan. It is incitement to anger.

All sorts of people can have all sorts of beliefs about what tax rates
are best from various points of view. But how can people work
themselves into a lather over the fact that some taxpayers are able to
keep more of the money they earned, instead of turning it over to
politicians to dispense in ways calculated to get themselves
re-elected?

The angry left has no time to spend even considering the argument that
what they call "tax cuts for the rich" are in fact tax cuts for the
economy.

Nor is the idea new that tax cuts can sometimes spur economic growth,
resulting in more jobs for workers and higher earnings for business,
leading to more tax revenue for the government.

A highly regarded economist once observed that "taxation may be so
high as to defeat its object," so that sometimes "a reduction of
taxation will run a better chance, than an increase, of balancing the
Budget."

Who said that? Milton Friedman? Arthur Laffer? No. It was said in 1933
by John Maynard Keynes, a liberal icon.


useful article by an intelligent fellow....but to confuse keynes with
leftism is in error.....
the left have tried to re-write keynes as a leftist despite him being
no such thing, just as they've tried to re-write fascism and
national socialism as right wing

keynes had no illusions whatsoever about socialism

"Marxian Socialism must always remain a portent to the historians of
Opinion - how a doctrine so illogical and so dull can have exercised
so powerful and enduring an influence over the minds of men, and,
through them, the events of history."

regards....


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Old May 17th, 2007, 03:53 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
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On 17 May 2007 02:57:58 -0700, PJ O'Donovan wrote:


The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent.


-to any Swiftboat idiot

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Old May 17th, 2007, 04:21 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
Mani Deli
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On 17 May 2007 02:57:58 -0700, PJ O'Donovan wrote:


The Anger Of The Left
By Thomas Sowell

www.nationwidespeakers.com/speaker/217
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell


Particular issues can arouse passions here and there for anyone with
any political views. But, for many on the left, indignation is not a
sometime thing. It is a way of life.


Lush Bimbo isn't indignant is he?

Here's what our mission accomplished I'm sure non of this bothers
you!

By Derrick Z. Jackson, Globe Columnist

THESE ARE just some of the stories on the four-year anniversary of
Mission Accomplished:


Washington Post: "The deaths of more than 100 troops in April made it
the deadliest month so far this year for US forces in Iraq."


Los Angeles Times: "April was even more devastating for Iraqi
civilians. More than 1,500 were killed in bombings, assassinations and
sectarian violence."


New York Times: "In a troubling sign for the American-financed
rebuilding program in Iraq, inspectors for a federal oversight agency
have found that in a sampling of eight projects that the United States
had declared successful, seven were no longer operating as designed
because of plumbing and electrical failures, lack of proper
maintenance, apparent looting, and expensive equipment that lay idle."


Boston Globe: "Deaths and injuries from terrorist attacks increased
sharply last year, particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan, with
government officials, police, and security guards coming under greater
attack than ever before . . . more than 20,000 people died and more
than 38,000 were injured . . . an increase of 6,000 deaths or more
than 40 percent over 2005, according to [the State Department]."


This is four years after President Bush staged one of the gaudiest
self-congratulations in American history.

He landed on the USS Abraham Lincoln in a jet fighter, popped out in a
flight jumpsuit and proclaimed major combat operations to be over in
Iraq under the now-infamous banner, "Mission Accomplished."

It is four years after Bush said, "We do not know the day of final
victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the
terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter
their fate. Their cause is lost."

Bush's cause is so lost that 71 percent of Americans disagree with his
handling of Iraq in the latest New York Times/CBS poll and 64 percent
say Bush should set a timetable for troop withdrawal in 2008.

By a 57 percent-to-35 percent tally in that poll, Americans say
Congress, not Bush, should have the final say about troop levels.

Similarly, in the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, Americans say
by 56 percent to 37 percent they agree with the Democrats' push for a
troop withdrawal deadline over Bush's refusal to set a deadline.

Bush's cause is so lost that people are turning on him wherever he
turns, from former CIA director George Tenet to the family of Pat
Tillman, who calls the military's glorification of his death in
Afghanistan "utter fiction," and soldier Jessica Lynch, who said the
military's glorification of her capture and rescue in Iraq was utterly
unnecessary.

"The American people are capable of determining their own ideals for
heroes and they don't need to be told elaborate lies," she told a
congressional oversight panel last week.

This, not to mention Abu Ghraib, was all inevitable in a war that
itself was an elaborate lie.

With no weapons of mass destruction, no proof that Saddam Hussein was
tied to 9/11, Al Qaeda, or an imminent threat himself, America was led
by fiction into a disaster that has now claimed 3,351 US soldiers,
3,211 of the deaths coming AFTER Bush declared major combat operations
to be OVER.

The civilian toll will probably never be accurately known, since US
military officials famously said "we don't do body counts."

Numbers range from the conservative 60,000s of Iraq Body Count to the
600,000 of the medical journal Lancet.

Last week, the United Nations criticized Iraqi officials for not
providing civilian casualty figures.

The United Nations estimates that the continuing violence claimed
34,452 civilian lives last year.

The Iraqi government says the number was 12,357.

Yesterday, Bush continued to do violence to history by going to
Central Command in Tampa to once again string together 9/11 and Al
Qaeda and Nazis and communists into Saddam and Iraq.

Bush said, "Four years ago, we confronted a brutal tyrant who had used
weapons of mass destruction, supported terrorists, invaded his
neighbors, oppressed his people, and tested the resolve and the
credibility of the United Nations."

Four years later, we know what mission was truly accomplished. Bush
destroyed the credibility of his presidency and degraded America's
standing in the world for years to come.

Whatever he tried to accomplish, America is saying the mission is
over.
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Old May 17th, 2007, 05:10 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
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In article .com,
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Still mindless, I see, peabrain. It's good to see you make the most of
your natural "gifts".


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Old May 17th, 2007, 08:13 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
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"Mani Deli" wrote in message
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On 17 May 2007 02:57:58 -0700, PJ O'Donovan wrote:


The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent.



Then let me see if I can clarify it for you: I hate George Bush and his Nazi
administration with a white hot hatred that can never be understood by
the weak kneed rightards that form the Bush butt sucker league. The
cowering of the, so called, "right" in the face of any moral decision is
putrid. The notion that my freedom and liberty are to be scarified
for YOUR safety and security is, to me, loathsome and despicable. And
the icing on the cake is when you rigtarded pieces of Republican
pig **** refer to true Americans as cowards. You have the gall and the
self righteous hypocrisy to claim that a Liberal defense of the real
America is somehow unpatriotic. You prance around mouthing
democracy while knowing full well that you fear democracy much more
than you fear the evil "terrorists". For without the "terrorists" what
have you got? And if democracy reigns you know you are done.

There was a time when conservatism actually had some value. But
those conservative principles were dead and buried before the close
of 1982.

--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org


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Old May 17th, 2007, 08:20 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe,alt.politics.economics
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:13:38 -0700, "The Trucker"
wrote:

"Mani Deli" wrote in message
.. .
On 17 May 2007 02:57:58 -0700, PJ O'Donovan wrote:


The source of the anger of liberals, "progressives" or radicals is by
no means readily apparent.


Then let me see if I can clarify it for you: I hate George Bush and his Nazi
administration with a white hot hatred that can never be understood by
the weak kneed rightards that form the Bush butt sucker league. The
cowering of the, so called, "right" in the face of any moral decision is
putrid. The notion that my freedom and liberty are to be scarified
for YOUR safety and security is, to me, loathsome and despicable. And
the icing on the cake is when you rigtarded pieces of Republican
pig **** refer to true Americans as cowards. You have the gall and the
self righteous hypocrisy to claim that a Liberal defense of the real
America is somehow unpatriotic. You prance around mouthing
democracy while knowing full well that you fear democracy much more
than you fear the evil "terrorists". For without the "terrorists" what
have you got? And if democracy reigns you know you are done.


Yeah, but what's really bothering you? Come on, don't be shy.

 




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