Smoking on cruise ships

This is a very interesting topic ! Not too many smokers seem to have a gripe
about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but the non
smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow more smoking
..

What would you say to someone who smoked , and complained that on a Disney
cruise he couldn't smoke in his cabin , or balcony , or anywhere inside the
ship ? You'd probably say he was foolish to go on a Disney cruise ,. and you
would be right .

What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that
because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things
should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able
to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate
any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . You'd probably say they were
selfish and inconsiderate , and you'd be right .

By the same token , a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking ,
and then complains that people are smoking on that cruise , is pretty
foolish .And a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking and then
thinks they shouldn't have to tolerate any incontinence caused by smoking ,
or avoiding it , is inconsiderate as well .

It's funny , but it seems people who smoke don't often choose non smoking
cruises , and that seems so much smarter than the non smokers who put
themselves in a smoking environment that they know in advance they are
going to hate.

I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be about
second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else that's
offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! It's really
pretty simple as far as I can tell ...... if you hate the smoking so much
just cruise on ships that limit it or don't allow it at all . If you DO
choose to cruise on a ship that allows smoking on the balconies , or in the
casino , on the decks , in the bars , ect ... than don't complain about it ,
as that sounds incredibly selfish to me. After all , the very people you
are complaining about were smart enough to choose a ship that allows them to
smoke , why shouldn't they smoke if they want to ?

By the way , I don't like a lot of smoke myself , and avoid places that are
loaded with it , like bars and clubs . I don't mind a little , have no
problem with being around some smoke outside or in a ventilated area , and a
senior smoking a cigar wouldn't bother me very much , especially if it was
outside.

Ray,

I'm kind of with you. Both my wife Deborah and I don't smoke, and the
second-hand smoke from smokers does bother us. However, we certainly don't
want to take that right away from the smokers as long as they are in the
designated or "smoking" areas.We certainly don't have a problem moving to an
areas outside of even second-hand smoke influence. The problem does arise
thought, that while one area may be smoking and another non-smoking, smoke
doesn't recognize an imaginary line in a public room.

Naturally, we can personally seek a ship that does not allow smoking, but
that does at times become problematic, putting the burden and responsibility
back on us, thus missing out on ships and/or destination that may be of
interest to us. Yet, as said, most of the time, we have no problem simply
seeking non-smoking areas on the ship.

The problems does arise with smokers who just don't care, feeling their
right to smoke supersedes the health and safety of others. As an example, we
live close to (16 miles) the Disneyland Resort in California, and naturally
go there all are the time with our annual passes. Both theme parks
(Disneyland & Disney's California Adventure) has designated smoking area
with smoking banned everywhere else within these parks. Yet, in spite of
this, there are many smokers who will light up when and where they fell like
it - totally oblivious or non-caring about anyone else. Disney has a polite
approach when handling a situation such as this, reminding guests that there
are actual designated smoking areas.

On a cruise ship, personally I would not be so tolerant. If a smoker is
violating any no-smoking in select area rules, upon the second warning, they
would be asked to leave the ship at the next port. To me, if they can't
follow the rules, why should the rest of us suffer?

Yet, from an actual booking of clients aspects, this can be resolved by
asking questions, along with the proper screening and right recommendations
to clients to begin with.

Happy sailing,
John Sisker, SHIP-TO-SHORE CRUISE AGENCY (sm)
(714) 536-3850 or toll free at (800) 724-6644 & (Agency ID: 714.536.3850)
www.shiptoshorecruise.com





"Ray Kloc" wrote in message
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This is a very interesting topic ! Not too many smokers seem to have a
gripe about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but the
non smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow more
smoking .

What would you say to someone who smoked , and complained that on a Disney
cruise he couldn't smoke in his cabin , or balcony , or anywhere inside
the ship ? You'd probably say he was foolish to go on a Disney cruise ,.
and you would be right .

What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that
because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things
should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able
to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to
tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . You'd probably say
they were selfish and inconsiderate , and you'd be right .

By the same token , a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking
, and then complains that people are smoking on that cruise , is pretty
foolish .And a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking and
then thinks they shouldn't have to tolerate any incontinence caused by
smoking , or avoiding it , is inconsiderate as well .

It's funny , but it seems people who smoke don't often choose non smoking
cruises , and that seems so much smarter than the non smokers who put
themselves in a smoking environment that they know in advance they are
going to hate.

I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be about
second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else
that's offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! It's
really pretty simple as far as I can tell ...... if you hate the smoking
so much just cruise on ships that limit it or don't allow it at all . If
you DO choose to cruise on a ship that allows smoking on the balconies ,
or in the casino , on the decks , in the bars , ect ... than don't
complain about it , as that sounds incredibly selfish to me. After all ,
the very people you are complaining about were smart enough to choose a
ship that allows them to smoke , why shouldn't they smoke if they want to
?

By the way , I don't like a lot of smoke myself , and avoid places that
are loaded with it , like bars and clubs . I don't mind a little , have no
problem with being around some smoke outside or in a ventilated area , and
a senior smoking a cigar wouldn't bother me very much , especially if it
was outside.

On Mar 6, 8:35*am, "Ray Kloc" wrote:
snipped the funny and oh-so-logical stuff

What a funny and logical way to counter the avid anti-smokers. My
husband and I quite smoking a couple years ago and the only time we
have problems with smoke is when it's concentrated and there's no
ventilation. We had that same problem before we quit though, so I'm
proud to say that I'm not one of those ex-smokers who has now gone on
a vendetta to educate the world When smokers come to my home I
put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have
used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside
(children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they
smoke inside.

All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both
on and off ships.

John Sisker wrote:
you would be right .

What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued
that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else ,
things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they
should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be
expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wasn't aware of this side effect.

-
Nonny

Nonnymus
A penny saved is obviously a
government oversight.

Well...I'm with you regarding people who smoke outside of the smoking area's
.. Thats rude and inconsiderate . You seem to have a reasonable attitude
regarding taking a cruise on a smoking ship , although I'm not sure what you
mean by the burden and responsibility being put back on you . I think it IS
yours , mine , and everyone else's responsibility to consider all the facts
and make choices accordingly , and be prepared to live with those choices .
Not just on picking a cruise , but in life in general . There are always
trade offs , and this isn't really any different . I rarely find myself in a
perfect situation , but usually make the best choice for myself by weighing
the pro's and con's. So..if someone prefers the itinerary of a cruise on a
smoking ship , is it worth putting up with people smoking ? For those that
say it's not worth it , find another cruise on a ship better suited for you.
I don't think anyone , smokers or non smokers , have the right to expect to
have their cake , and eat it , too .

I think for most people , it's not much of a problem . I cruise with a large
group sometimes , with both smokers and non smokers , and I haven't seen
this be an issue with anyone . I'm sure most smokers would prefer to be able
to smoke ANYWHERE , and most non smokers would prefer that they smoked
NOWHERE , but everyone can accept the compromises most cruise lines have
adopted and we all are reasonably happy .





"John Sisker" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I'm kind of with you. Both my wife Deborah and I don't smoke, and the
second-hand smoke from smokers does bother us. However, we certainly don't
want to take that right away from the smokers as long as they are in the
designated or "smoking" areas.We certainly don't have a problem moving to
an areas outside of even second-hand smoke influence. The problem does
arise thought, that while one area may be smoking and another non-smoking,
smoke doesn't recognize an imaginary line in a public room.

Naturally, we can personally seek a ship that does not allow smoking, but
that does at times become problematic, putting the burden and
responsibility back on us, thus missing out on ships and/or destination
that may be of interest to us. Yet, as said, most of the time, we have no
problem simply seeking non-smoking areas on the ship.

The problems does arise with smokers who just don't care, feeling their
right to smoke supersedes the health and safety of others. As an example,
we live close to (16 miles) the Disneyland Resort in California, and
naturally go there all are the time with our annual passes. Both theme
parks (Disneyland & Disney's California Adventure) has designated smoking
area with smoking banned everywhere else within these parks. Yet, in spite
of this, there are many smokers who will light up when and where they fell
like it - totally oblivious or non-caring about anyone else. Disney has a
polite approach when handling a situation such as this, reminding guests
that there are actual designated smoking areas.

On a cruise ship, personally I would not be so tolerant. If a smoker is
violating any no-smoking in select area rules, upon the second warning,
they would be asked to leave the ship at the next port. To me, if they
can't follow the rules, why should the rest of us suffer?

Yet, from an actual booking of clients aspects, this can be resolved by
asking questions, along with the proper screening and right
recommendations to clients to begin with.

Happy sailing,
John Sisker, SHIP-TO-SHORE CRUISE AGENCY (sm)
(714) 536-3850 or toll free at (800) 724-6644 & (Agency ID: 714.536.3850)
www.shiptoshorecruise.com





"Ray Kloc" wrote in message
. net...
This is a very interesting topic ! Not too many smokers seem to have a
gripe about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but
the non smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow
more smoking .

What would you say to someone who smoked , and complained that on a
Disney cruise he couldn't smoke in his cabin , or balcony , or anywhere
inside the ship ? You'd probably say he was foolish to go on a Disney
cruise ,. and you would be right .

What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that
because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things
should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be
able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to
tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . You'd probably
say they were selfish and inconsiderate , and you'd be right .

By the same token , a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking
, and then complains that people are smoking on that cruise , is pretty
foolish .And a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking and
then thinks they shouldn't have to tolerate any incontinence caused by
smoking , or avoiding it , is inconsiderate as well .

It's funny , but it seems people who smoke don't often choose non smoking
cruises , and that seems so much smarter than the non smokers who put
themselves in a smoking environment that they know in advance they are
going to hate.

I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be about
second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else
that's offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! It's
really pretty simple as far as I can tell ...... if you hate the smoking
so much just cruise on ships that limit it or don't allow it at all . If
you DO choose to cruise on a ship that allows smoking on the balconies ,
or in the casino , on the decks , in the bars , ect ... than don't
complain about it , as that sounds incredibly selfish to me. After all ,
the very people you are complaining about were smart enough to choose a
ship that allows them to smoke , why shouldn't they smoke if they want to
?

By the way , I don't like a lot of smoke myself , and avoid places that
are loaded with it , like bars and clubs . I don't mind a little , have
no problem with being around some smoke outside or in a ventilated area ,
and a senior smoking a cigar wouldn't bother me very much , especially if
it was outside.

Me either !! Pretty funny slip , what was I thinking ..... although I hope
you can tell what I meant !
"Nonnymus" wrote in message
...
John Sisker wrote:
you would be right .

What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that
because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things
should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be
able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to
tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wasn't aware of this side effect.

-
Nonny

Nonnymus
A penny saved is obviously a
government oversight.

"Nonnymus" wrote in message
...
John Sisker wrote:
you would be right .

What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that
because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things
should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be
able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to
tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wasn't aware of this side effect.

Nonny,
The ship stores need to be alerted to start stocking Depends, now! ;-P

--Jean

Well... you are more tolorant than I am ...we don't have smoking inside our
home , but have a deck or porch that people are more than welcome to smoke
on. However , most people that smoke , at least where I live , don't usually
even smoke inside their own homes very often. I think it would be considered
rude to light up in a house or car with other people around , unless of
course someone like you made the smoker feel it would not be offensive.


"alnmel" wrote in message
...
On Mar 6, 8:35 am, "Ray Kloc" wrote:
snipped the funny and oh-so-logical stuff

What a funny and logical way to counter the avid anti-smokers. My
husband and I quite smoking a couple years ago and the only time we
have problems with smoke is when it's concentrated and there's no
ventilation. We had that same problem before we quit though, so I'm
proud to say that I'm not one of those ex-smokers who has now gone on
a vendetta to educate the world When smokers come to my home I
put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have
used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside
(children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they
smoke inside.

All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both
on and off ships.

Nonnymus wrote:
John Sisker wrote:
you would be right .

What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued
that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else ,
things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they
should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be
expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wasn't aware of this side effect.


FWIW, when the newsreader reposted the quote, the underlining of John's
word, "Incontinence" was misplaced. My comment was to underscore John's
humorous misuse of the English language.
--
Nonny

Nonnymus
A penny saved is obviously a
government oversight.

Ray wrote:
When smokers come to my home I
put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have
used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside
(children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they
smoke inside.

All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both
on and off ships.


Exactly, Ray. We have smokers coming to visit next week. They
understand that we don't smoke inside the house or auto here, and
they're quite considerate. I have an ashtray I borrowed from a local
eatery grin and keep it outside on the picnic table. The smoke smell
inside the house is limited to what might cling to clothing, and we can
live with that. We enjoy our guests and wouldn't think of prohibiting
something that they need for their own psychological or physiological
comfort, so long as it doesn't impinge on our own desire for a smoke
free house and auto.

When we moved to our home in another state during the late 1980's, we
decided that the house would be smoke free. Both Mrs. Nonny and I had
stopped smoking, and while our kids would sneak a cigarette, they kept
the practice to the outside of the house. Smoking was a bit more common
then, so I placed a 3" no smoking symbol beside the exterior doors as a
reminder to people we preferred no smoking inside the house. . . and
also placed several ashtrays outside on the deck and by the back door.
Outside of Mrs. Nonny's sister, who was very ill, smoking with our
consent in her room of our house, we never had anyone, ever, smoke
inside. That has continued to this day in our home here in Las Vegas.
Even our kids, who both smoked and have now also quit, went outdoors to
smoke because of our quiet request that the house not smell like smoke.

I guess that there's a difference between the kind of people you invite
to your house and the broader spectrum you encounter on a cruise or in
any other group. When we hosted a GGC party in 2000 for George Leppla,
we had about 50 people in the house, on the deck and around the yard.
A number WERE smokers, but nothing was ever said about smoking. The
smokers went outside to the ashtrays provided on the rear deck to smoke,
and that worked for everybody. It's just a case of good people being
together with other good people and having a good time. Had somebody
lit one up inside our house, I'd have not said anything, but then it was
a moot point, wasn't it?

--
Nonny

Nonnymus
A penny saved is obviously a
government oversight.