The neo-religion on man made global warming is unadulterated Gorbage

America consumes 25% of the world's oil, America also produces 25% of
the world's goods and services. If you are in economic competition
with the USA and can retard America's progress maybe you win. Neither
China, nor India nor any of the developing countries in Africa want
to
have anything to do with the global warming hoax because they are
more
interested in their own development. America exerts vast influence on
the world press, America's press hates President Bush who doesn't
swallow the global warming hoax. Because of President Bush's stance in
global warming the press goes overboard in promoting the hoax as a
result, many American's are who are ignorant and
gullible and want to believe the global warming hoax. Also if the
press didn't have global warming there wouldn't be anything
interesting to write about, and no one would TV news reports.

"Capitalist Pig" wrote:
The proponents of global warming are being compensated
by politicians. .... Response?

I haven't seen a dime.
But I'll check back in about 30 years, and we can point-fingers.

On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"
wrote:

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The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;

naturally....you're a fool who will look for any excuse to support
blackburn wanderers

the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland.

ah, it's got to greenland now...soon it'll be the n.pole

The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age"

you haven't a clue....
why would i bother educating you when
1)you don't study
2)you vacant 'mind' is already made up.....

Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

i've given you a link....you can follow related items if you
wish to learn....
you could even move further afield.....

for the moment you're babbling from rank ignorance.....

look up 'the atlantic conveyor'....

argument with idiots is for idiots...
i'm not interest in a battle of wits with an unarmed poster

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On 27 Mar 2007 11:10:36 -0700, "Mel Rowing"
wrote:

On 27 Mar, 17:26, abelard wrote:

here are some clear statements of current/recent knowledge:-http://www.abelard.org/briefings/global_warming_atmospheric_chemistry...

The way the SPM works is that the scientists write a report, and then
are put together in a room with representatives of the world's
governments, and between them they agree a text that has full support,
the idea being that there is nothing left that can be contested: that
the SPM has the full support of all the relevant scientists and their
governments

I wonder whether Newton,Rutherford, Faraday, Lister, Fleming or any of
the others depended upon such endorsment?


from another post

most issues are not of such universal concern....
most issues do not have such political repercussions...
most issues do not require political (group) action.....
most 'science' issues do not require international treaties

It merely sounds like a way of brow-beating scientists to give the
'right' answer, as the pious hope that "...the idea being that there
is nothing left that can be contested" is complete and utter rubbish.

no, it is a way of stating the very minimum that can be verified
to very high (and specified) levels of human 'certainty'..
this is the minimum level that can by impressed upon politicians
who seriously don't want to have to act.....because it means
unpopularity with those who'd rather do nothing and don't want
their quiet lives chomping grass disturbed....
especially in democracies, politicians who don't pander to please
loose the accoutrements of power....even in dictatorships the
dictators ultimately rule by the passivity of the populations

regards....

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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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On 27 Mar 2007 11:10:36 -0700, "Mel Rowing"
wrote:

On 27 Mar, 17:26, abelard wrote:

here are some clear statements of current/recent knowledge:-http://www.abelard.org/briefings/global_warming_atmospheric_chemistry...

The way the SPM works is that the scientists write a report, and then
are put together in a room with representatives of the world's
governments, and between them they agree a text that has full support,
the idea being that there is nothing left that can be contested: that
the SPM has the full support of all the relevant scientists and their
governments

I wonder whether Newton,Rutherford, Faraday, Lister, Fleming or any of
the others depended upon such endorsment?

addendum....

this area is very complex and there are 'theories' flying in every
direction...
the purpose of ipcc reports is to refine down to what is (as far as
possible) known and accepted throughout most of the business

with the circulation of the blood you are dealing with much more
simple science where ultimately you only need look....
much of agw science is reliant upon huge data bases and
statistical reasoning.....
only smaller areas are down to the level of 'cause'(ie such
high probability no-one bothers anymore to question it)
a 'causal' area in agw would be carbon etc and the greenhouse
effect

what is far less certain is how much, when, what inter-actions, what
feedbacks etc.....
ipcc is essentially concerned with how much of that area is
'accepted...and at what confidence levels.....

this is very difficult as so many specialities are involved and
it is hard to read the minds of those whose lives are spent
poring over massive data sets.....

hence comments i made a while back re lovelock.....
i think he may be over-egging....but he has so much experience
and data in his head i'm not at all confident to claim he is
incorrect.....
there are many workers in different (related) areas in a similar
position but few as able or experienced as lovelock.....

as i try to suck this stuff up....
i am reading specialists in glaciology, geology, atmospheric
chemistry (avoiding so far!) ice core analysis and much more...

the ipcc process looks sane, useful and necessary to me....
especially as the change over involves political actions on
a wide scale

regards

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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"
wrote:

*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;
the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland. The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age" Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

for your study
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...112065794.html
iir it includes some speculation

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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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On 28 Mar, 15:34, abelard wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 11:10:36 -0700, "Mel Rowing"

wrote:
On 27 Mar, 17:26, abelard wrote:

here are some clear statements of current/recent knowledge:-http://www.abelard.org/briefings/global_warming_atmospheric_chemistry...

The way the SPM works is that the scientists write a report, and then
are put together in a room with representatives of the world's
governments, and between them they agree a text that has full support,
the idea being that there is nothing left that can be contested: that
the SPM has the full support of all the relevant scientists and their
governments

I wonder whether Newton,Rutherford, Faraday, Lister, Fleming or any of
the others depended upon such endorsment?
as i try to suck this stuff up....
i am reading specialists in glaciology, geology, atmospheric
chemistry (avoiding so far!) ice core analysis and much more...

Quite!

Speicalists but nonetheless all with a grounding in pure science so
that each may appreciate the contribution of the others and
communicate in the same language with each other. I find it difficult
to appreciate what contribution politicans, their aides and advisors
can make.

Sure the intent is or should be to use science to build a conceptual
model to explain the observed phenomenon of climate warming. Such a
programme usually follows the course:

Initial hypothesis -- Research -- Review -- Amended hypothesis --
Further research -- Further Review
(et seq.)

What is the place of the Gores of this world in this? Surely it is
exclusively a matter for those with the knowledge, the expertise and
the involvement.

And what is this all about ?

"the idea being that there is nothing left that can be contested"

Since when has science moved towards a closed issue? It thrives on
controversy and contention. If Einstein had not sought to elaborate
upon the seemingly complete model developed by Newton then we would be
without modern nuclear physics and cosmology.

The research scientist's only duty is towards the furtherance of
knowledge. Public policy is or should be outside their remit. Public
policy in the light of discovery is a matter for politicians. To try
and integrate the two surely opens up the danger of confusion of role.

All the scientist can do in good faith is without fear of favour seek
the truth. All the politician can do again with those reservations is
to act, if approrpriate on that same truth.

As I say elsewhere, it seems a "rum" way to go about things.

On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"
wrote:

*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;
the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland. The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age" Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

in view of the repeated raising of this chestnut i have now prepared
a section complete with illustrations to allow you to examine the
situation in more detail

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/ant...dieval_warming


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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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On Mar 28, 8:57 am, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"

wrote:
*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;

naturally....you're a fool who will look for any excuse to support
blackburn wanderers

the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland.

ah, it's got to greenland now...soon it'll be the n.pole

The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age"

you haven't a clue....
why would i bother educating you when
1)you don't study
2)you vacant 'mind' is already made up.....

Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

i've given you a link....you can follow related items if you
wish to learn....
you could even move further afield.....

for the moment you're babbling from rank ignorance.....

look up 'the atlantic conveyor'....

argument with idiots is for idiots...
i'm not interest in a battle of wits with an unarmed poster

I guess you have just admitted that you are an
idiot. I checked out your link and it is totally
obsolete.

Look for my prior post to get up to date

- -
Befuddled Gore keeps blathering about
how the oceans are being heated by
global warming, instead of the warming
being created by the oceans, as the facts
clearly show.

On Mar 28, 12:31 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"

wrote:
*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;
the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland. The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age" Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

in view of the repeated raising of this chestnut i have now prepared
a section complete with illustrations to allow you to examine the
situation in more detail

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/ant...arming.php#med...

Why must you repost links to obsolete data?
You need to upgrade your site or are you
married to your idiocy?.

- -
Befuddled Gore keeps blathering about
how the oceans are being heated by
global warming, instead of the warming
being created by the oceans, as the facts
clearly show.