Bombs in LOndon

"Padraig Breathnach" wrote in message
...
"dae" wrote:


As a New Yorker you are easy to fool. Look at your two foolish
Senator's.
One of them is married to the most foolish President we ever had in our
History. Bedroom Bill. 9-11 was set up on his watch, as were all of the
Embassy bombings in which he said over and over again, "We will catch the
people who did this and punish them". Never caught one other than the
ones
who hit the Tower with a truck bomb, and the others are still free as far
as
we know.

What a load of ********! At least Bubba knew that Al Qaida was a
threat, and attempted (admittedly without significant success) to deal
with it.

When Bush took over, his people dismissed the threat, and didn't even
read the files.

As for your "Bedroom Bill" crack, it's off-target. He did it anywhere,
including an ante-room to the Oval Office. But all he screwed was a
willing intern. Bush screws whole nations.

Did Dubya also say something about catching people? Where is Osama? He
caught Saddam, who had nothing to do with 9/11.

Bedroom Bill had several opportunities to catch Bin Laden but let him loose
as he didn't listen to his advisors and didn't feel he was a threat. When
Bush took over the first thing he had to deal with was the downing of the
Navy Patrol aircraft by the PRC. This took a month off his schedule. The
planning for 9-11 took longer than Bush was in office, only less than nine
months. I believe you also need to look at the facts and then come up with
your plan to deal with what is going on. It seems all the U.K. has
questions, but no answers other than "Blame Bush". Bush won the last
election because the Weenie who ran against him wasn't an effective Senator
for his 20 some years and a bogus war hero in Vietnam. The one before him,
Gore was not an effective V.P. either. So, give me some answers from the
U.K. and quit bitching at the wrong enemy. Bush is not your stiff upper
lip, gentlemanly diplomat, as it should be clear by now. When he talks, he
means what he says. Get used to it. In three years and five months we'll
elect another leader. I don't think we need you to dictate to us who or
what kind you would like us to elect. We aren't a Colony of your Empire
anymore you know.

Don

Andy Pandy wrote:
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Just a shame how such incidents bring out some peoples' bigotry.

whose, George Bushes ? Tony Blairs ? the Terrorists ?

The kind of bigots who will try to blame Muslims in general, or Americans in
general, etc.

By all means blame our leaders, or those who voted for them, or the terrorists
themselves. Then you are blaming people for their actions - not blaming them
because of who they are.

--
Andy

I blame the people who put us in this situation.
The Americans in general voted for George Bush.
The British in general voted for Tony Blair.
They lied to us about the war, giving rise to the people who planted
the bombs. And they in all probability were Muslim.

Please let me know if you think any of these statements are incorrect.

Andy Pandy wrote:
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Terrorism only started on 9/11 for Americans,

What about Oklahoma city? What about various embassy bombings? What about
the
previous attack on the WTC?

the 'War on Terror' started after 9/11

So? You wrote "terrorism", not "the war on terrorism" which has an appropriate
acronym.


So are clear that the Americans only started on this tack after 9/11.
Before that they were not too bothered, just the price of doing
business.

the IRA existed long
before this. Unfortunately their activity was paid for by American fund
raising.

And what proportion of Americans do you think contributed, xenophobic
arsehole?

No idea. Do you deny Noraid existed ?

Of course it existed. Fund raising exists in this country for Al Qaeda. What's
your point?

My point is, its not xenophobia if you're telling the truth.
Whether you are fundraising for the IRA or Al Qaeda, its wrong.
You wanted to abuse me personally and xenophobia was your cover.
Just like starting a war based on faulty intelligence.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Just a shame how such incidents bring out some peoples' bigotry.

whose, George Bushes ? Tony Blairs ? the Terrorists ?

The kind of bigots who will try to blame Muslims in general, or Americans in
general, etc.

By all means blame our leaders, or those who voted for them, or the
terrorists
themselves. Then you are blaming people for their actions - not blaming them
because of who they are.

I blame the people who put us in this situation.
The Americans in general voted for George Bush.
The British in general voted for Tony Blair.

No they didn't. They were both elected by a minority of the adult population.

They lied to us about the war, giving rise to the people who planted
the bombs. And they in all probability were Muslim.

Who only have the backing of a tiny minority of Muslims.

Please let me know if you think any of these statements are incorrect.

You don't seem to understand the difference between blaming an entire
nation/religion and blaming the individuals whose actions caused the problem.

--
Andy

wrote in message
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the IRA existed long
before this. Unfortunately their activity was paid for by American
fund
raising.

And what proportion of Americans do you think contributed, xenophobic
arsehole?

No idea. Do you deny Noraid existed ?

Of course it existed. Fund raising exists in this country for Al Qaeda.
What's
your point?

My point is, its not xenophobia if you're telling the truth.

It is not the truth if you intended to imply that Americans in general supported
the IRA. They didn't. A small minority did.

If you didn't intend to imply this, then I apologise.

--
Andy

Andy Pandy wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Just a shame how such incidents bring out some peoples' bigotry.

whose, George Bushes ? Tony Blairs ? the Terrorists ?

The kind of bigots who will try to blame Muslims in general, or Americans in
general, etc.

By all means blame our leaders, or those who voted for them, or the
terrorists
themselves. Then you are blaming people for their actions - not blaming them
because of who they are.

I blame the people who put us in this situation.
The Americans in general voted for George Bush.
The British in general voted for Tony Blair.

No they didn't. They were both elected by a minority of the adult population.

My point is Tony Blair was elected (by whichever method) and made the
decision.

They lied to us about the war, giving rise to the people who planted
the bombs. And they in all probability were Muslim.

Who only have the backing of a tiny minority of Muslims.

I agree. Most people on the planet are not interested in blowing other
innocent people up. But then I never made any mention of how many
Muslims backed this action (perceived or otherwise).

Please let me know if you think any of these statements are incorrect.

You don't seem to understand the difference between blaming an entire
nation/religion and blaming the individuals whose actions caused the problem.

I do, but its difficult to name every person who thought invading Iraq
was a good idea, hence the Americans and the British will suffice.
Which is the perception in the Muslim world. Their axis of evil is
USA/UK/Israel.

Andy Pandy wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
the IRA existed long
before this. Unfortunately their activity was paid for by American
fund
raising.

And what proportion of Americans do you think contributed, xenophobic
arsehole?

No idea. Do you deny Noraid existed ?

Of course it existed. Fund raising exists in this country for Al Qaeda.
What's
your point?

My point is, its not xenophobia if you're telling the truth.

It is not the truth if you intended to imply that Americans in general supported
the IRA. They didn't. A small minority did.

If you didn't intend to imply this, then I apologise.

--
Andy

Apology accepted. I can't give you figures on how many did, but some
did.
Hence American money went towards blowing up innocent British and Irish
people.
They also sold arms to Iran and gave the proceeds to Central American
despots, but I need to go to bed shortly.

"dae" wrote:

"Padraig Breathnach" wrote in message
.. .
"dae" wrote:


What a load of ********! At least Bubba knew that Al Qaida was a
threat, and attempted (admittedly without significant success) to deal
with it.

When Bush took over, his people dismissed the threat, and didn't even
read the files.

As for your "Bedroom Bill" crack, it's off-target. He did it anywhere,
including an ante-room to the Oval Office. But all he screwed was a
willing intern. Bush screws whole nations.

Did Dubya also say something about catching people? Where is Osama? He
caught Saddam, who had nothing to do with 9/11.

Bedroom Bill had several opportunities to catch Bin Laden but let him loose
as he didn't listen to his advisors and didn't feel he was a threat. When
Bush took over the first thing he had to deal with was the downing of the
Navy Patrol aircraft by the PRC. This took a month off his schedule. The
planning for 9-11 took longer than Bush was in office, only less than nine
months. I believe you also need to look at the facts and then come up with
your plan to deal with what is going on.

This makes no sense to me. Bush's people did not take the Al Qaida
threat seriously. The fact that there were other live issues at the
time is not relevant: the President does not deal personally with
everything.

It seems all the U.K. has
questions, but no answers other than "Blame Bush".

So? I'm not British.

Bush won the last
election because the Weenie who ran against him wasn't an effective Senator
for his 20 some years and a bogus war hero in Vietnam.

No need to peddle the propaganda any more. Bush's superior war record
won him the election.

The one before him,
Gore was not an effective V.P. either. So, give me some answers from the
U.K. and quit bitching at the wrong enemy.

I don't give answers from or for the UK. You attempted to fix
responsibility on Clinton, and exonerate Bush. That's simply rubbish.

Bush is not your stiff upper
lip, gentlemanly diplomat, as it should be clear by now.

Do you think I didn't notice?

When he talks, he
means what he says.

Sure he does. Even when what he says is a load of rubbish. He and his
people built a false linkage between Al Qaida and Saddam Hussein, and
an amazing number of American people bought it.

Get used to it. In three years and five months we'll
elect another leader. I don't think we need you to dictate to us who or
what kind you would like us to elect.

Unfortunately, as so many Americans, including the President and his
team, seem to believe that the US has a role outside its borders, and
unrelated to international organisations. I'll butt out of having
opinions on American foreign policy when American foreign policy has
no effect on my world.

We aren't a Colony of your Empire
anymore you know.

Brendan the Navigator was a peaceful visitor, and never claimed the
land for himself or his king.

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED

Following up to Mxsmanic

Unconfirmed bus blasts seem to be in Marylebone and South Ken. May be
false alarms.

Martian craft seen falling into a field in Woking.

grow up
--
Mike Reid
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Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

quiet right, I'll not be scared off by some fanatic, (no not Ken)
its called terrorism, so they win if you are terrorised.
"London can take it" comment by six month London immigrant after
an IRA bomb.

Considering how England bore up for several years as the
bastion against Hitler (before the U.S. got around to
joining in) I don't think anyone doubts it! (Although it is
perhaps easier when it's a declared war, and you KNOW you
can expect such horrors.)

yes
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
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