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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
There might be more to this than everyone thought about. The cost to
airlift by chopper is between $25 & $50,000 depending how far out at sea the pick up is. If the ill passenger didn't have health insurance they could have denied the air transport. The airlift alone could send someone into financial ruin who can't afford it. The on board doctor could have kept the passenger stable but request the ship return to a US Port for medical treatment. As was stated earlier the next Port of Call might have been either too far or not of the quality of a US Hospital. Either way RC could have been held resposible if the passenger died. Being the ship returned to Miami for Coast Guard transport says the ship was closer to Miami than Key West. Key West would have been closer had they been further out and enroute to the Western Caribbean. Being Belieze is a tender port the medical emergency might have eatten away at the better part of that stop. But the other port changes don't make sense. As far as the fuel issue goes they could have arranged additional fuel at any of the future stops. As far as drugs in Jamacia....I was told by someone in this very NG that they have never seen that and when I complained about it I was told I was making it up. |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
In article om, Rick
wrote: There might be more to this than everyone thought about. The cost to airlift by chopper is between $25 & $50,000 depending how far out at sea the pick up is. If the ill passenger didn't have health insurance they could have denied the air transport. The airlift alone could send someone into financial ruin who can't afford it. The US Coast Guard does not charge. However I don't think a decision would have been made on the basis of cost to the ill passenger in a life and death situation. I will mention that I read that the patient had thrown up, choked on her own vomit, ending up with vomit in her lungs, causing both lungs to collapse. She was in critical condition and it was decided she was too unstable to be transported by helicopter. -- Charles |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailingnightmare
Thats why I thought they might have opted for the Coast Guard (no
Charge) as opposed to air lift (charge). |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
Jean O'Boyle wrote: We never book air with the cruise lines. First of all, you don't save that much You don't save anything at all! In my experience booking air via the cruise line is *the most expensive* air option - usually by hundreds of dollars. ** Warren ** air from NYC. This might not be true from other points of departure. |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
Charles wrote: Sounds simple but I have read there was not enough fuel left to stay on the rest of the original itinerary. They burned too much fuel having to return to Miami to continue that itinerary. This doesn't sound right to me. Either they aren't topping off the tanks in Miami, or the ship isn't achieving its stated range. The Explorer class can go transatlantic without stopping regardless of the sea conditions. There's no reason this ship would burn so much fuel that she couldn't make her ports on this itinerary. I'm more inclined to believe that sea/weather conditions combined with the distances of the ports vs time remaining played more of a role. This reminds me of the rumor I've heard on every cruise I've taken since 1983 (35+): "I heard the captain isn't using the stabilizers to save on the cost of the fuel." Warren |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
LeeNY wrote: First question everyone always asks me when I book a cruise is, "where are you going". I tell them that I don't care, as long as the air temp is hot, the skies are blue, the seas are turquoise, etc. My answer is always the name of the ship. "I'm going on the Norway" was always my favorite answer until my final voyage on her September 2001. I'm usually pressed with a "yeah, but where are you going?" and we'll go around in circles until I can remember the ports (if any). Warren -- going on the Noordam next Saturday |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
"Warren" wrote in message oups.com... Jean O'Boyle wrote: We never book air with the cruise lines. First of all, you don't save that much You don't save anything at all! In my experience booking air via the cruise line is *the most expensive* air option - usually by hundreds of dollars. ** Warren ** air from NYC. This might not be true from other points of departure. You are probably right, Warren...I have only booked air with a cruise line once and found a diminutive saving but horrendous times for flights...But then you, in NYC, have more airlines to choose from and more possibilities for direct flights. There aren't many direct flights from San Antonio that I know about and we are usually routed through Dallas or Houston which are the big hubs in Texas. --Jean |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
On 1/1/2007 8:30 PM Lee Lindquist wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 15:43:02 -0800, "Rick" wrote: There might be more to this than everyone thought about. The cost to airlift by chopper is between $25 & $50,000 depending how far out at sea the pick up is. If the ill passenger didn't have health insurance Should a helo evacuation have been needed in that area, it would have most certainly been performed by the US Coast Guard. No charge. That's their mission. During one evacuation we watched, the patient, his wife, and one of the ship's nurses were hoisted; along with the coastie swimmer. I presume the cruise line billed the patient for the nurse. passenger died. Being the ship returned to Miami for Coast Guard transport says the ship was closer to Miami than Key West. Key West Gee, to me it says there is a trauma center in Miami, not in the keys. Key West has no trauma center. There is a Medical Center on Stock Island. However once a patient is stabilized they are air lifted to Homestead or Miami for additional care if it is needed. -- ____ Brian M. Kochera "Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!" ____ View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951 |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
It's disappointing that they had the itinerary change but knowing that
they did it to help save a passenger should give you comfort, not frustration. Had it been you, they would have done the same. Expecting, or even hoping, to be reimbursed for the cruise is not a reasonable expectation. Keep in mind that they still incurred expenses. Add to that the fact that a cruise is what you make of it -- not simply the ports of call. On 26 Dec 2006 14:27:21 -0800, "Greg" wrote: There were so many people lodging complaints with Guest Relations that they were simply noting there was a complaint from you and were passing that onto the corporate folks with no other details about the complaint needed. We got ours in too. The is already a response being made, which is apparently unusually fast. My expectation is to be either reimbursed (unlikely) for the cruise cost or offered a voucher for another one. |
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Royal Caribbean - Explorer of the Seas 12/17/06 sailing nightmare
Years back when something like this happened to us, RCCL gave us a
$200 pp voucher to be applied toward a future stateroom. It was nice but altogether unexpected. On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:46:58 -0500, "Ray" wrote: I don't think it would be unreasonable for R.C. to give all the passengers some sort of voucher or discount on a future cruise , although I'm sure they don't have to. |
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