Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left

"Hatunen" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:57:19 -0400, "GEM"
wrote:

...but nobody would have ever guessed the leveee would break...

In this context it's hard to tell if you're joking or not.


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Joking?

No. It was simply a moment in time when I thought the recent words of George
W Bush should be paraphrased for posterity.

I'm not a NeoCon, so joking about dead Democrats, dead Blacks and dead Poor
is simply something I'm not capable of participating in.

Dead rats.... now that's another story.

GEM

On 7 Sep 2005 13:57:59 -0700, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote:

To this day, it (Washington Times) is widely perceived as maintaining
a
generally right-leaning editorial stance.
J Eric Durbin

To this day it (Washington Post) is widely perceived as maintaining a
gnerally left-leaning editorial stance.

Not exactly a state secret that devout Conservatives consider the
Washington Post "left-leaning".

Thus the statement: "The Times was founded in 1982 by Reverend Sun
Myung Moon, leader of the Family Federation for World Peace and
Unification (Unification Church), to be a **conservative alternative**
to the larger and older Washington Post."

[emphasis added]

In article . com,
says...
I,ve been to Darwin. I saw a film at your library showing when Darwin
was devastated.

Did you change your codes before ar after the devastation?


After. Prior to Tracy, building codes were in the same shape as they are
in the US - negligently ****weak.
--
Cheers,
Craig

id you change your codes before ar after the devastation?
PJ

After. Prior to Tracy, building codes were in the same shape as they
are
in the US - negligently ****weak
Craig

In 74 darwin had a population of 40000. I drove around Northern
Territory in 95 and sometimes didn't see another car for half an hour.
What is the coastal population around there? Do you feel the magnitude
to fix the building code problem there is comparable to cities like New
Orleans and their populations of 500,000? How do you coerce the poor
to bring their homes up to code to withstand winds of 150mph? If I
recall Darwin had winds of 135 mph in 74 and was completely destroyed.

"John Rennie" wrote in message
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"Tom Peel" wrote in message
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:
The vultures of the venomous left are attacking on two fronts, first
that the president didn't do what the incompetent mayor of New Orleans
and the pouty governor of Louisiana should have done, and didn't, in
the early hours after Katrina loosed the deluge on the city that care
and good judgment forgot.

I don't usually respond to x-posts in R.T.E, but seeing as I just dragged
out and reread the December 2001 issue of Scientific American, the
article "Drowning New Orleans", pg 68, I thought some quotes from the
last paragraph may be relevant:

"If Congress and President George W. Bush hear a unified call for action,
authorizing it would seem to be prudent. Restoring coastal Louisiana
would protect the country's seafood and shipping industries and its oil
and natural-gas supply. .. without action, the million people outside
New Orleans would have to locate. The other million inside the bowl would
live at the bottom of a sinking crater , surrounded by ever higher walls,
trapped in a terminally ill city dependent on nonstop pumping to keep it
alive."

T.

Now I know why improving the levees was kyboshed by Bush.
Any recommendation from the organ that reckons the jury is
'in' on evolution had to be treated with extreme caution.

It couldn't be becaise Bush didn't like the editor's name? ;-

Seriously, the whole problem about the levess has got that
more pressing every year since 1969 and Camille. Global
warming, a concept that Bush and his oil company cronies
have rejected until comparitvely recently, has raised and
will continue to raise the level of the Atlantic. Therefore
even lesser hurricanes will cause more damage than they once
did.

PJ O'Donovan wrote:
I guess that's what the "vultures from the left" have always said:
the
President "flooded the city"!
Euro

I never said anything like
"the President flooded the city", while it appears (right above) that
you did.

Euro

You didn't say it. You just snipped the relevant part:

""..."the president flooded the city" with National Guardsmen from a
dozen states, paratroopers from Fort Bragg and Marines from the
Atlantic and the
Pacific..""

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to point that out again.

Thanks therefore for recognizing that you attempted to wrongfully put
on me "That conspiracy theory" which, according to you, "has already
been hatched by you nutcakes on the left", but I don't remember to have
developped myself.

Now, if you are ready to discuss seriously (which I doubt, considering
the damages caused onto you by an obvious overreading of Ann Coulter's
"aphorisms"), consider another study case:

While the world's cameras are being focused on Louisiana and analyzing
"the full force of a superpower government going to the rescue"
(borrowing MSNBC's Chris Matthews expression on Sept. 1st, I still
wonder of he told that ironically and fear he actually didn't), Japan
(right-wing government, bidding for reelection on a vote to be held on
Sept. 11th) has been harrassed by typhoon Nabi, about the same size as
Katrina, that provoked important damages, killed tens of people and
left hundreds of homeless victims in Kyushu island (several provincial
governments, some on the right, some on the left) as well as in other
places like Hiroshima (left-wing mayor, right-wing governor), Fukui and
Hokkaido.

What does all this tell you with regard to your mean political
theories? Nothing much, I guess. But if you look at the broader
picture, it might show you that an industrialized country with a
competent government is able to manage natural disasters without
foreign help.

But then, of course, Prime Minister Koizumi doesn't make such
intelligent statements like

"It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly
devastating on the ground." (George Bush, surveying Hurricane Katrina
flood damage from Air Force One, Aug. 31, 2005)

or like

""We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives
and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these
communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see
it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf
Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house --
he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house.
And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (George W. Bush,
touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005).

No, Koizumi just ensures that victims are being taken care of, whatever
their condition or social origin, and doesn't try to shift his
responsibilities on local authorities, because he knows that he, as
head of government, has the primary responsibility of the fate of the
countrymen who elected him.

Euro

"No Spam" wrote in message
ink.net...

snip

Now I know why improving the levees was kyboshed by Bush.
Any recommendation from the organ that reckons the jury is
'in' on evolution had to be treated with extreme caution.

It couldn't be becaise Bush didn't like the editor's name? ;-

LOL

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:41:22 -0700, Captain Dondo
wrote:
As always in these things, the people on the ground know what they're
doing. It's management that is all screwed up, all the way to the White
House. Where was Bush for 2 days after the disaster? Where was Condi
Rice? Where was Cheney? On vacation. Not one saw fit to interrupt his
vacation even as the US lost one of its crown jewels. That's leadership
for you.

Compare that to the Guardsmen you tout so greatly; I bet most of them
were calling to volunteer. Bush did as always - hid behind advisors and
blamed the Democrats. Blech... What a failure.

Bush was in San Diego at a fund raiser, then golfing and at a fund
raiser in N Mex. Condi was in NY seeing Spamalot. No one has heard
form Cheney at all, have they? Haven't seen his old grumbly sour puss
on TV recently.

So all the money he has asked for and which will be needed thus far
for damage repair is deficit spending, and when Congress returns he
expects them to get right back to business and pass MORE tax cuts and
to eliminate the estate tax. More $$ to the rich.

On 7 Sep 2005 13:49:24 -0700, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote:

Oh I know. If only bleeding heart liberals are caring.

Better a bleeding heart than none at all.

On 7 Sep 2005 13:49:24 -0700, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote:

New Orleans is and has been a bastion of the
Democrat political machine. Maybe even liberals wake up to the fact
that their beloved government is limited in its ability toprotect
individuals from
everything.

We only save/help Republican dominated cities? Lousiana as a whole
was a red state last time around. Besides, this doesn't just affect
New Orleans...this affects the commerce and economic stability of the
whole country. Economists estimate this will put 400,000 people out
of work for months to come. Fuel prices continue to rise across the
nation, and the increases ripple down through the entire economy.
Winter is coming and many people who heat with natural gas may face
hardship and shortages.

Compare the dollars cut from the budget which would have maintained
the levees to withstand a cat 5 or 6 hurricane with what the gov't
will spend, and what revenue will be lost, in the months and years to
come because of all the damage done by the breaks in the levees.