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  #81  
Old October 30th, 2011, 01:18 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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On 30/10/11 06:09, Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

And when did you last do this?


No flight attendant has ever made a mistake with respect to me that required
being set straight.


Answer the question Mixi.

When did you last even speak to a flight attendant, never mind correct one.


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  #82  
Old October 30th, 2011, 03:56 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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William Black writes:

When did you last even speak to a flight attendant, never mind correct one.


Professionally? I don't know. I've never kept a log of my interactions with
flight attendants.
  #83  
Old October 30th, 2011, 10:02 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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On 30/10/11 14:56, Mxsmanic wrote:
William Black writes:

When did you last even speak to a flight attendant, never mind correct one.


Professionally? I don't know. I've never kept a log of my interactions with
flight attendants.


OK, when did you last take a scheduled flight on a commercial airline?

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  #84  
Old October 31st, 2011, 01:47 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Air travel - carrying excess of $10k or equivalent

On 10/23/2011 9:41 PM, Fly Guy wrote:
What makes air travel entering or leaving the US any different than car
travel between states?

Why does the US federal gov't have an interest in whether or not you are
bringing or leaving the country with more than $10k any more than a
state gov't would want to know the same thing?


Gee, d'ya think money laundering might be a concern?


There are already reporting rules on the bank pertaining to depositing
large sums (coincidentally $10k) into any US bank.


Which is irrelevant, because the cash sums that exceed $10,000 can be
easily broken down into unreportable sums.


If possession of cash or cash equivalent is legal (and the last time I
checked - it was) then how can you justify a rule requiring you to tell
the gov't how much you have on your person IN ANY SITUATION WHERE YOU
ARE FORCED TO INTERACT WITH THE GOV'T ?


Where is it "any situation" and not just air and/or international travel?


If the gov't believes that you are in possession of the proceeds of
crime, then the onus is on them to investigate, arrest and charge you -
AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. Why is that right somehow
magically erased at the airport?


The right to remain silent is not erased. Just your "right" to fly.
  #85  
Old October 31st, 2011, 01:58 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Sancho Panza[_1_]
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On 10/21/2011 8:50 PM, Fly Guy wrote:
mag3 wrote:


I thought things were actually getting *more* strict.


No. Things are getting less strict.


When my entire body is being scanned down to the skin, that is far
different from "getting less strict."
  #86  
Old October 31st, 2011, 04:56 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Fly Guy
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Default Air travel - carrying excess of $10k or equivalent

Sancho Panza wrote:

Why does the US federal gov't have an interest in whether or not
you are bringing or leaving the country with more than $10k any
more than a state gov't would want to know the same thing?


Gee, d'ya think money laundering might be a concern?


Transporting cash (or cash equivalent) between places is not money
laundering.

There are already reporting rules on the bank pertaining to
depositing large sums (coincidentally $10k) into any US bank.


Which is irrelevant, because the cash sums that exceed $10,000
can be easily broken down into unreportable sums.


And the same goes for transporting cash.

If the gov't believes that you are in possession of the proceeds
of crime, then the onus is on them to investigate, arrest and
charge you - AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. Why is
that right somehow magically erased at the airport?


The right to remain silent is not erased. Just your "right" to fly.


Your flying is done and finished by the time you walk up to a CBP
agent. That agent does not act as any sort of gate-keeper who gets
between you and the plane.
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Old October 31st, 2011, 05:01 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Fly Guy
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Default Using electronic devices during take-off and landing

Sancho Panza wrote:

I thought things were actually getting *more* strict.


No. Things are getting less strict.


When my entire body is being scanned down to the skin, that is far
different from "getting less strict."


Your not quoting the entire context of that conversation, nor my
complete reply. Here, let me help you:

============
I thought things were actually getting *more* strict.


No. Things are getting less strict.

Remember when there was secondary screening at the gate? When was
the last time you saw that?
============

I flew last week from LA to Seattle, and then from Seattle to Vancouver.

I was not asked or even offered to be body-scanned.

In fact, I did not see one of those mm-wave scanners in the security
areas I went through.
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Old October 31st, 2011, 04:48 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Sancho Panza[_1_]
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Default Air travel - carrying excess of $10k or equivalent

On 10/30/2011 11:56 PM, Fly Guy wrote:
Sancho Panza wrote:

Why does the US federal gov't have an interest in whether or not
you are bringing or leaving the country with more than $10k any
more than a state gov't would want to know the same thing?


Gee, d'ya think money laundering might be a concern?


Transporting cash (or cash equivalent) between places is not money
laundering.


Your question was a reason for the government's interest. Laundering is
a major reason for that interest, and laundering is often carried out
through transporting cash.


There are already reporting rules on the bank pertaining to
depositing large sums (coincidentally $10k) into any US bank.


Which is irrelevant, because the cash sums that exceed $10,000
can be easily broken down into unreportable sums.


And the same goes for transporting cash.


The problem is that some couriers would prefer or try to carry more than
legal amount. If you have a problem with that, communicate it to your
legislator.


If the gov't believes that you are in possession of the proceeds
of crime, then the onus is on them to investigate, arrest and
charge you - AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. Why is
that right somehow magically erased at the airport?


The right to remain silent is not erased. Just your "right" to fly.


Your flying is done and finished by the time you walk up to a CBP
agent. That agent does not act as any sort of gate-keeper who gets
between you and the plane.


You always have the right to remain silent. That does not include to
right to expect that you will not be detained in some fashion if you
refuse to cooperate with the authorities' requests. Of course, one can
always summon a lawyer and await his counsel.
  #89  
Old October 31st, 2011, 04:50 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Sancho Panza[_1_]
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Default Using electronic devices during take-off and landing

On 10/31/2011 12:01 AM, Fly Guy wrote:
Sancho Panza wrote:

I thought things were actually getting *more* strict.

No. Things are getting less strict.


When my entire body is being scanned down to the skin, that is far
different from "getting less strict."


Your not quoting the entire context of that conversation, nor my
complete reply. Here, let me help you:

============
I thought things were actually getting *more* strict.


No. Things are getting less strict.

Remember when there was secondary screening at the gate? When was
the last time you saw that?
============

I flew last week from LA to Seattle, and then from Seattle to Vancouver.

I was not asked or even offered to be body-scanned.

In fact, I did not see one of those mm-wave scanners in the security
areas I went through.


Apparently the TSA does not consider them priority locations. But those
who interested in such data thank you for posting the useful information
worldwide.

  #90  
Old November 1st, 2011, 05:01 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Mxsmanic
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Default Using electronic devices during take-off and landing

Sancho Panza writes:

Apparently the TSA does not consider them priority locations. But those
who interested in such data thank you for posting the useful information
worldwide.


Yeah, they never would have had any way of knowing if not for that post,
right? Who cares?

Fear is the enemy of freedom.
 




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