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T-shirt woman kicked off Southwest flight to sue
Cyrus Afzali wrote:
Does the uninformed babble never end?? I'm amazed that a group of well-respected individuals were able to come together in support of you having a role in moderating what was a great newsgroup. It's just a huge joke. Oh well, at least it gives you something to do. Did YOU volunteer to rescusitate the news group ? Did you particiapte in the discussions with the NAN group ? Did you volunteer to spend your time to approve incoming messages and update the newsgroup charter and operating guidelines ? For your information, misc.transport-air-industry was about to be formally destroyed because of lack of activity and previous moderators having never left a forwarding address where they could be contacted. Blame them for skipping town without telling anyone and leaving the newsgroup in a state of limbo for years. In the early discussions with the other 2 moderiators and Jorhn R Levine who graciously provides the moderating software, I made it very clear that it was up to them to decide if it was OK for me to help or not. Not happy with my contributions to the misc.transport.air-industry ? Complain to the moderating group. You feel you could do a better job ? Just apply to be a moderator and I will gladly bow out if it means more people would contribute. But uif nobody is there to keep misc.transport.,air-industry alive, you'll be stuck in rec.travel.air reading greg morrow's dialogue with himself about his fetishes. |
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Cyrus Afzali wrote:
I never said I did and I never said I didn't think it wasn't a good idea to recusitate the group. I do, however, think you're a poor person to be put in charge of moderating a newsgroup on the subject at hand given your rabid, and on many instances uninformed, views. Is there any evidence that JF's views have affected his handling of his moderator duties? To me, when someone takes on a role in moderating a group, they have an obligation to be informed about the subject at hand. And on so many cases, you're just not. You lack knowledge required of someone in a position. I wouldn't think that moderators are called upon to resolve questions of fact, just to make sure that the discussion stays on-topic and that advertising is kept out. I don't think the mderated group is very useful but I sure don't see where that's got anything to do with JF. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos from 37 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu Latest photos: Hong Kong; Macau; Amsterdam; Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan |
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Maxx. wrote: GW Chimpzilla wrote: If Southwest mentions they have a dress code on the back of their ticket, perhaps they'll win this lawsuit. Otherwise, they're going to have to pay. Their dress code is clearly stated in their "Contract of Carriage" on their web site. T-shirt woman should quit while she's ahead. And exactly what is the "dress code" clearly stated? That a passenger must not wear a printed T-shirt? That a passenger must not be naked? Or something else -- if so, what is it? Enquiring mind want to know. -- Bob. |
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Their dress code is clearly stated in their "Contract of Carriage" on
their web site. T-shirt woman should quit while she's ahead. And exactly what is the "dress code" clearly stated? Page 10 of WN's conditions of carriage, conveniently available on their web site, has a laundry list of reasons they can refuse to transport you, starting with (1) Persons whose conduct is or has been known to be disorderly, abusive, offensive, threatening, intimidating, or violent, or whose clothing is lewd, obscene, or patently offensive; They'd probably argue that her shirt was patently offensive. Who knows what a court would say. R's, John |
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Cyrus Afzali wrote:
I never said I did and I never said I didn't think it wasn't a good idea to recusitate the group. I do, however, think you're a poor person to be put in charge of moderating a newsgroup on the subject at hand given your rabid, and on many instances uninformed, views. The role of a moderator is to filter out posts submitted which do not follow established guidelines. If it's not related to aviation industry, it is bounced. It it gets personnal, it is filtered out etc. It has nothing to do with my knolwedge or lack thereof about aviation industry. Except for obvious spam, I have not yet bounced anything. There are problems with the moderating software which automatically bounce posts coming from many news servers which don't feed perfectly formatted messages, but there is not much more I can do about this. We don't pay for the moderation service/software and the provider insists on maintaining those strict rules. Some spam has gotten through and it is then a question of following up with the submitting news server so thay can track down their user who forged the moderation headers. As I said before, if you are not happy with the moderation of the newsgroup, you can complain to all moderators. If you look at the archives of the group, you will find all necessary information as well as pointers to the group's charter and posting guidelines. If you do not have any examples of poor moderation of the newsgroup, stop making unwarranted accusations and stick to rec.travel.air to discuss Ellen, Sheryl and all those other fetishes that Greg Morrow and all his aliases have. To me, when someone takes on a role in moderating a group, they have an obligation to be informed about the subject at hand. Moderation involves simply processing posts and preventing totally off topic posts from getting thorugh, and in circumstances where there is a flame war, cool things down. I'm not blaming them for anything. They volunteered just like you volunteered. It's a nice group, when it's functioning properly. I also made it expliocit to the others that I would bow out if my presence was a hindrance to the group's success. I have gotten no such sugesstions by the other moderators. If you are avoiding posting simply because I exist, then it is your problem. In fact, majority of posts gets approved by the other moderators since they tend to get to the approval requests before I can. There was one recent event where one post was rejected by mistake by one moderator and I re-injected it and approved it. participation continues to decline. Most of the posting in the new m.t.a.i. is among the co-moderators. And if people like you stopped criticising the newsgroups without any specific criticisms, perhaps we'd have more success growing participation. Again, my issue is not so much with the job you and anyone else is doing with m.t.a.i. So stop complaining about misc.transportyy-air-industry. If you have no complaints about his the newsgroup is functioning, if you have no complaints about the contents that do make it to mtai, then you have no reason to posts messages as the one to which I am replying, and you have no reason to abstain from participating in the group. Plenty of people hate me because I do not support the USA's current policies, and that includes one of the moderators, but it doesn't mean that we can't do a professional job moderating an aviation newsgroup that discusses business aspects. There has been no or extremely little "politics" in that newsgroup. My point is that your remarks about the U.S. and its policies are uniformed and in many cases offensive. I have made no such remarks in mtai. a COWARD who's afraid to post under his own name in one newsgroup on air travel, I wish you the full wrath of nomen on you, including forged identities forever archived in so many web sites with slander against you. If that were to happen to you, you'd fully understand why I cannot post under my own name in this newsgroup. Complain to Greg Morrow and friends if ytou dislike many posteres not using their real names. There have been plenty of people who had stopped using real names in this newsgroup over the years. Most of which have left due to Nomen and friends. |
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Cyrus Afzali wrote:
That's just the mechanics of it. The bigger issue to me is whether or not you should select people worthy of the group's respect to serve in a leadership role. I was not selected. The destruction of misc.transport.air-industry due to lack of activity (measured in years) had been announced with a deadline. A last chance was offered by the NAN team for volunteers to pick up the group before it is destroyed. John Levine copied the announcement here. I offered to help, as did 2 others (I bet you don't even know who the 2 others are). The 2 others did not object to my volunteering. (I specifically asked). I spent time updating the charter and posting guidelines to reflect changes in the industry since it had last been written, as well as adding rules about anonymous remailers. You could have volunteered to help rebuild the newsgroup and then you could have voiced your objection to my participation and I woudl have bowed out, especially if there had been enough moderators on-board. You didn't. You don't have much right to complain, especially if you cannot point to a single moderating mistake I have made. So put up or shut up, or volunteer to be a moderator and then vote to kick me out if you can convince other moderators to vote with you. |
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rk wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote: Nancy Young wrote: Yes, she chose to *leave* ... she can't sue when she volunteered to leave. Why not? "Leave or I'll shoot you." No one threatened to shoot her, physically harm her, or even threaten her. If you have any evidence that someone threatened to shoot her, I'd be interesting in seeing that. Me too. But since nobody claimed that and there's been no reports to that effect, I doubt we will. The point is that leaving voluntarily doesn't mean there wasn't some sort of coercion, or a set of unacceptable choices of which leaving was the least troublesome. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos from 37 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu Latest photos: Hong Kong; Macau; Amsterdam; Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan |
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rk wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote: rk wrote: Miguel Cruz wrote: Nancy Young wrote: Yes, she chose to *leave* ... she can't sue when she volunteered to leave. Why not? "Leave or I'll shoot you." No one threatened to shoot her, physically harm her, or even threaten her. If you have any evidence that someone threatened to shoot her, I'd be interesting in seeing that. Me too. But since nobody claimed that and there's been no reports to that effect, I doubt we will. It was your quote, so please show some evidence that it is based in reality and fact. Or even something remotely close to it. I didn't claim that happened; that would be ridiculous and both of us know it. I was giving a hypothetical example of a situation where volunteering to leave isn't really volunteering. Apparently my shorthand caused some confusion; I thought it was obvious since none of the articles said anything about shooting, but apparently not. We can probably move past that now unless you want to continue beating the straw man until he's in tatters. The airline asked the woman to take reasonable steps and initially she complied. That is not equivalent to shooting her. Quite right. It appears that you are taking logic lessons from the Mezei Regime. Whatever. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos from 37 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu Latest photos: Hong Kong; Macau; Amsterdam; Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan |
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"rk" wrote in message ... Mezei as moderator is equivalent to having a terrorist nation (that has brought down a commercial airliner) chair the UN Human Commission on Human Rights. Not surprising there is so little traffic. Mezei, you tell us about your fantastic moderation skills. Why don't you self-moderate your own posts in the unmoderated groups to the standards you apply as "moderator?" Instead you use a double standard as you abuse the unmoderated groups with your hate and prejudice. Mezei is always too busy masturbating merrily away to "self - moderate" his posts... -- Best Greg -- rk "Just make sure all crewmembers are jewish. Then you throw a penny into the Soyuz capsule and all 12 will find a way to fit in there" -- JF Mezei, February 8, 2003. nobody wrote: Cyrus Afzali wrote: I never said I did and I never said I didn't think it wasn't a good idea to recusitate the group. I do, however, think you're a poor person to be put in charge of moderating a newsgroup on the subject at hand given your rabid, and on many instances uninformed, views. The role of a moderator is to filter out posts submitted which do not follow established guidelines. If it's not related to aviation industry, it is bounced. It it gets personnal, it is filtered out etc. It has nothing to do with my knolwedge or lack thereof about aviation industry. Except for obvious spam, I have not yet bounced anything. There are problems with the moderating software which automatically bounce posts coming from many news servers which don't feed perfectly formatted messages, but there is not much more I can do about this. We don't pay for the moderation service/software and the provider insists on maintaining those strict rules. Some spam has gotten through and it is then a question of following up with the submitting news server so thay can track down their user who forged the moderation headers. As I said before, if you are not happy with the moderation of the newsgroup, you can complain to all moderators. If you look at the archives of the group, you will find all necessary information as well as pointers to the group's charter and posting guidelines. If you do not have any examples of poor moderation of the newsgroup, stop making unwarranted accusations and stick to rec.travel.air to discuss Ellen, Sheryl and all those other fetishes that Greg Morrow and all his aliases have. To me, when someone takes on a role in moderating a group, they have an obligation to be informed about the subject at hand. Moderation involves simply processing posts and preventing totally off topic posts from getting thorugh, and in circumstances where there is a flame war, cool things down. I'm not blaming them for anything. They volunteered just like you volunteered. It's a nice group, when it's functioning properly. I also made it expliocit to the others that I would bow out if my presence was a hindrance to the group's success. I have gotten no such sugesstions by the other moderators. If you are avoiding posting simply because I exist, then it is your problem. In fact, majority of posts gets approved by the other moderators since they tend to get to the approval requests before I can. There was one recent event where one post was rejected by mistake by one moderator and I re-injected it and approved it. participation continues to decline. Most of the posting in the new m.t.a.i. is among the co-moderators. And if people like you stopped criticising the newsgroups without any specific criticisms, perhaps we'd have more success growing participation. Again, my issue is not so much with the job you and anyone else is doing with m.t.a.i. So stop complaining about misc.transportyy-air-industry. If you have no complaints about his the newsgroup is functioning, if you have no complaints about the contents that do make it to mtai, then you have no reason to posts messages as the one to which I am replying, and you have no reason to abstain from participating in the group. Plenty of people hate me because I do not support the USA's current policies, and that includes one of the moderators, but it doesn't mean that we can't do a professional job moderating an aviation newsgroup that discusses business aspects. There has been no or extremely little "politics" in that newsgroup. My point is that your remarks about the U.S. and its policies are uniformed and in many cases offensive. I have made no such remarks in mtai. a COWARD who's afraid to post under his own name in one newsgroup on air travel, I wish you the full wrath of nomen on you, including forged identities forever archived in so many web sites with slander against you. If that were to happen to you, you'd fully understand why I cannot post under my own name in this newsgroup. Complain to Greg Morrow and friends if ytou dislike many posteres not using their real names. There have been plenty of people who had stopped using real names in this newsgroup over the years. Most of which have left due to Nomen and friends. |
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