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Canadian flag on the backback myth
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 01:33:19 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
devil wrote in news On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:50:26 +0000, Xomicron wrote: Your numbers are inflated and have no basis in fact. I am not aware that the thugs at the White House have been publishing official fgures for Iraqi civilian casualties. So why not take his guess as a valid starting point? Because it isn't valid. It's as valid as any alternative. Provide a better number from a credible source. |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
"Dave Smith" wrote in message ... Xomicron wrote: So? The Soviets almoat singlehandedluy defeated the Nazis. No, they didn't. If there was no Western front the Soviets would have been beaten. I met an interesting man today, a former U Boat captain. According to him, Germany lost the war at the battle of Kursk (May/43). Before that in fact. Kursk was the last serious German offensive in the east but even that was only an attempt to straighten the line and make it more defensible. After the failure of the 1942 summer offensive and the disaster at Stalingrad Germany was on the strategic defensive. From the beginning of 1943 the allies dictated the pace on both eastern and western fronts. The last real chance for Germany to win was in 1941 and they fluffed it by not capturing Moscow. They were in full retreat. His own father defied orders and pulled back from his position in Chechnya, and according to him, German troops headed west in the hope of surrendering to the Allies because they could not hold back the soviets. Thats true of Spring 1945 but from June 1944 onwards there more German troops defending against the western allies than were available on the eastern front. Key German industrial capacity in the Ruhr was just too close to the French and Belgian border which was why the gamble of the Ardennes offensive was taken in winter 44 Keith ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
devil wrote in
news On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 01:31:24 +0000, Xomicron wrote: "http://www.iamnotamerican.com" wrote in : in a recent article, ANONYMOUSE ) said: these united States have not been at war since 1945. Let's see...Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Persian Gulf II...certainly seems to have been some wars in the last 59 years. No declared wars. All illegal wars, right? A rogue state, engaged in terrorism, I suppose. There's no such thing as an illegal war. |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
Following up to Xomicron
Let's see...Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Persian Gulf II...certainly seems to have been some wars in the last 59 years. No declared wars. All illegal wars, right? A rogue state, engaged in terrorism, I suppose. There's no such thing as an illegal war. so declared wars and undeclared ones are the same? -- Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:59:26 +0100, The Reids wrote:
Following up to Xomicron Let's see...Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Persian Gulf II...certainly seems to have been some wars in the last 59 years. No declared wars. All illegal wars, right? A rogue state, engaged in terrorism, I suppose. There's no such thing as an illegal war. so declared wars and undeclared ones are the same? I guess he approves of Pearl Harbor too. At least he thinks it was perfectly legal apparently. |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
devil wrote: In hindsight, Canada ought to have charged a hefty fee for US-registered planes who insisted in landing in Canada. Something like a million buck/pax. Choice of that or the Atlantic. Still better than the US whose choice was the Atlantic or getting shot down, right? Not exactly a neighbourly thing to do! But that is just my Canadian perspective. But no, Chretien was just too nice and he apparently had no hesitation in doing the necessary for handling US government stupidity. The right thing to do way to save all those lives! Then and there. It doesn't matter what nationality they were, does it? Human lives are all the same aren't they? These were innocent people weren't they? |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:25:08 -0500, Ken Pisichko wrote:
devil wrote: In hindsight, Canada ought to have charged a hefty fee for US-registered planes who insisted in landing in Canada. Something like a million buck/pax. Choice of that or the Atlantic. Still better than the US whose choice was the Atlantic or getting shot down, right? Not exactly a neighbourly thing to do! But that is just my Canadian perspective. But no, Chretien was just too nice and he apparently had no hesitation in doing the necessary for handling US government stupidity. The right thing to do way to save all those lives! Then and there. It doesn't matter what nationality they were, does it? Human lives are all the same aren't they? These were innocent people weren't they? Well, sure. But we could have made them pay for it. :-) The point remains that it's amazing that the US government left even their own US-registered planes at the mercy of Canadian charity the way they did. At the very least, shouldn't we expect a bit of gratitude? :-) (And yes, we have heard that argument before. Nice to turn it around though. :-)) |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:58:53 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote: Xomicron wrote: So? The Soviets almoat singlehandedluy defeated the Nazis. No, they didn't. If there was no Western front the Soviets would have been beaten. I met an interesting man today, a former U Boat captain. According to him, Germany lost the war at the battle of Kursk (May/43). They were in full retreat. His own father defied orders and pulled back from his position in Chechnya, and according to him, German troops headed west in the hope of surrendering to the Allies because they could not hold back the soviets. Really? Then why did the war in Europe last another two full years? |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:51:01 +0000, peneny wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:58:53 -0400, Dave Smith wrote: Xomicron wrote: So? The Soviets almoat singlehandedluy defeated the Nazis. No, they didn't. If there was no Western front the Soviets would have been beaten. I met an interesting man today, a former U Boat captain. According to him, Germany lost the war at the battle of Kursk (May/43). They were in full retreat. His own father defied orders and pulled back from his position in Chechnya, and according to him, German troops headed west in the hope of surrendering to the Allies because they could not hold back the soviets. Really? Then why did the war in Europe last another two full years? Mopping up. I guess the Germans still took a while to convince themselves game was over? |
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Canadian flag on the backback myth
http://www.iamnotamerican.com wrote:
in a recent article, PTRAVEL ) said: Brava, Barbara! That has been my experience as well. The only thing this thread proves is that rude and intolerant people can be found in all countries. This is likely the most accurate statement made in this thread. However, the truth of the matter is that those from the good ol' U.S. of A have a reputation as being the most rude and intolerant when travelling, regardless of if it is a deserved reputation or not. Actually that's not true at all. Americans consistently rate at the top of the lists of preferred nationalities in polls of hoteliers and restauranteurs aroiund the world. American travelers, by and large, are friendly, polite, and quite free with the money. I have seen it first hand. Someone I know was receiving bad service, mentioned to a third party that "I've never had service this bad, even back home in Canada" to which the waiter walking by said quite willingly "oh...you're Canadian? We thought you were American" and the level of service skyrocketed. I doubt this very much. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu |
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