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Old April 18th, 2004, 09:54 PM
mtravelkay
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Bert Hyman wrote:

In "Howard Long"
wrote:


I would add that the role of the immigration officer (in the US, UK and
elsewhere) is often one of extreme subjectivity in applying rules, in
particular to those who don't have a vote in the country they're
attempting to enter.



Remember too that police the world over will always tell you that just
because they didn't arrest you for violating some particular law at some
time in the past doesn't mean that they won't decide to nab you for it
tomorrow.


You would have to think that some time in that 10 year period he would
have learned that he was technically supposed to have a visa. It's like
speeding. I know speeding is illegal, but I know there is a small chance
that I will get caught each time I do it.

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Old April 18th, 2004, 09:56 PM
Jo Jo
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I have NO sympathy for any of those people who did not have the right
VISA.
What is THEIR problem??? Wrong VISAs, Expired VISAs, they sound like a
bunch of irresponsible people. Why would the USA want irresponsible
people like them in this country anyway?....Oh that's right, We
wouldn't.

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Old April 18th, 2004, 10:05 PM
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Pan wrote:


He didn't escape; he was deported. And how could reporting on his
experiences be a violation of anything? He wasn't asked to sign a
non-disclosure agreement, was he?


I think the other poster was referring to the fact that he did the same
thing he got in trouble for. In other words, he was denied entrance
because he wanted to gather information for an article he was going to
write. If he needs a visa to do this, then it might be logical that the
article written about the "visit" he had in the US would also fall under
the same restriction.



it will presumably harm any future
entries - as much as any other breach of visa conditions.



I don't understand. How could his story harm any future entrants? If
anything, it might serve as an object lesson to them to make sure they
get the right visa.


I think the other poster was referring to the journalist's future
entrie, since this article was based on "research" he did while in the US.

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Old April 18th, 2004, 10:09 PM
Jo Jo
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S Byers from the UK.,

Sounds like your Boss dropped the ball on this one. Your Boss should
have found out all of the details on Homeland Security and should have
kept up with the changes since his journalist (you) would be flying back
and forth. If anyone is to blame it is the paper/magazine you work for.
Don't blame the USA for your companies negligence.

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Old April 18th, 2004, 10:24 PM
James Robinson
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mtravelkay wrote:

You would have to think that some time in that 10 year period he would
have learned that he was technically supposed to have a visa. It's like
speeding. I know speeding is illegal, but I know there is a small chance
that I will get caught each time I do it.


Sometimes countries don't enforce their visa rules too tightly. Take
Mexico as an example. They have two separate forms that you can fill
in. One is for tourists, and the other for business travelers. The
airlines often don't have the business form, so I will fill in the
tourist one. I've never had a problem, even after U tell them I'm
entering for business purposes.

You get into the habit of assuming there won't be a problem, but I
suppose that one day they might get into a snit and refuse me entry. I
doubt it.

The same might be the case for the journalist, who was OK for ten years
before some bureaucrat decided to enforce the rule without any warning.
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Old April 18th, 2004, 10:38 PM
James Robinson
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Jo Jo wrote:

S Byers from the UK.,

Sounds like your Boss dropped the ball on this one. Your Boss should
have found out all of the details on Homeland Security and should have
kept up with the changes since his journalist (you) would be flying back
and forth. If anyone is to blame it is the paper/magazine you work for.
Don't blame the USA for your companies negligence.


In the first place, the US didn't enforce the rule for at least ten
years. This is a person who can travel to the US as a tourist without
any visa whatsoever, so why the fuss? It's just like a bureaucrat to
suddenly shift gears and rigidly enforce a rule without warning. I
wonder if he had ever been told on previous trips that he needed the
visa? I doubt it.

In the second, why does the US, a country that supposedly supports
freedom of the press, have a separate visa requirement for journalists?
I can see it for a journalist from a country that would need a visa to
enter the US for any type of trip, but why for a person from a country
covered by the visa waiver program? It makes no sense, rule or no rule.
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Old April 18th, 2004, 10:41 PM
Bert Hyman
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In James Robinson wrote:

The same might be the case for the journalist, who was OK for ten years
before some bureaucrat decided to enforce the rule without any warning.


Enforce the rules without any warning?

Weren't the rules themselves sufficient warning?

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN
 




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