Polish zloty

Duh.


"James Silverton" a écrit dans le message de
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Jean wrote on Sun, 2 May 2010 14:53:52 -0500:


"James Silverton" wrote in
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Jean wrote on Sun, 2 May 2010 14:16:14 -0500:

"James Silverton" wrote in
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Hello All!

I've never been to Poland and its's hard to find a picture of a market
with prices in zloty. What abbreviation do the Poles actually use for
prices in markets, super- and
otherwise? I know the international abbreviation on
currency exchanges is PLN.

They use PLN

http://www.ratesfx.com/rates/rate-converter.html

http://coinmill.com/PLN_calculator.html

What part of Poland are you planning to visit? We have been
there twice and found the Poles very kind and friendly...of
course since my parents were both born there, I can speak
Polish.

Would a farmer's market stall in, say, Krackow actually write
PLN if they were giving the price for a kilo of apples?

If I remember correctly, it would be "zl" if you mean the
price tag on an article.

Exactly! That's what I wanted to know!

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James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Martin wrote on May 2, 2010:

Magda wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2010 13:22:22 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "James Silverton"
arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:

... Hello All!
...
... I've never been to Poland and its's hard to find a picture of a market
... with prices in zloty. What abbreviation do the Poles actually use for
... prices in markets, super- and otherwise? I know the international
... abbreviation on currency exchanges is PLN.

They don't have the Euro yet?

It's bad enough that Greece Spain and Portugal have the Euro.


I agree.

When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below 3%, or
whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like myself this
was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted it, I still fail to
understand.

--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
email: mike_lane at mac dot com

Mike Lane wrote:
Martin wrote on May 2, 2010:

Magda wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2010 13:22:22 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "James Silverton"
arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:

... Hello All!
...
... I've never been to Poland and its's hard to find a picture of a market
... with prices in zloty. What abbreviation do the Poles actually use for
... prices in markets, super- and otherwise? I know the international
... abbreviation on currency exchanges is PLN.

They don't have the Euro yet?
It's bad enough that Greece Spain and Portugal have the Euro.


I agree.

When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below 3%, or
whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like myself this
was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted it, I still fail to
understand.


AFAIR Italy also fiddled their economic figures to get into Euroland.
Germany and France were too keen to push for EU members to join Euroland
as a step to their dream of a federal Europe and of course Germany got
the ECB HQ located in Frankfurt.

On 3 May, 08:42, Mike Lane wrote:
Martin wrote on May 2, 2010:



Magda wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2010 13:22:22 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "James Silverton"
arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:

... Hello All!
...
... I've never been to Poland and its's hard to find a picture of a market
... with prices in zloty. What abbreviation do the Poles actually use for
... prices in markets, super- and otherwise? I know the international
... abbreviation on currency exchanges is PLN.

They don't have the Euro yet?

It's bad enough that Greece Spain and Portugal have the Euro.

I agree.

When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below 3%, or
whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like myself this
was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted it, I still fail to
understand.

--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
email: mike_lane at mac dot com

All sorts of lame dogs were allowed in without proper scrutinisation
during the recent mass entry of towards a dozen or so third-rate
nations - Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria & co. for xxxxxxxxx sake, and
with all sorts of other similar nations now on the waiting list.
All purely for political reasons - gathering in the ex-Warsaw Pact
countries.
Totally against all the original intentions. They're mostly
immediately negative contributors which is massively upping the cost
of the EU to members with sensible economies, let alone the specific
failures such as Greece.
It's already causing havoc in the UK due to the free uncontrolled
movement of cheap labour, use of our benefits system. etc.
Watch out for other examples coming, potentially far worse than
Greece.
It's the EU's own xxxxxxxxxxxxxx fault.
But that doesn't help any.
The original great good of the EU has become totally *******ised.

Surreyman

Surreyman wrote:
On 3 May, 08:42, Mike Lane wrote:
Martin wrote on May 2, 2010:



Magda wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2010 13:22:22 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "James Silverton"
arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:
... Hello All!
...
... I've never been to Poland and its's hard to find a picture of a market
... with prices in zloty. What abbreviation do the Poles actually use for
... prices in markets, super- and otherwise? I know the international
... abbreviation on currency exchanges is PLN.
They don't have the Euro yet?
It's bad enough that Greece Spain and Portugal have the Euro.
I agree.

When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below 3%, or
whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like myself this
was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted it, I still fail to
understand.

--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
email: mike_lane at mac dot com

All sorts of lame dogs were allowed in without proper scrutinisation
during the recent mass entry of towards a dozen or so third-rate
nations - Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria & co. for xxxxxxxxx sake, and
with all sorts of other similar nations now on the waiting list.
All purely for political reasons - gathering in the ex-Warsaw Pact
countries.
Totally against all the original intentions. They're mostly
immediately negative contributors which is massively upping the cost
of the EU to members with sensible economies, let alone the specific
failures such as Greece.
It's already causing havoc in the UK due to the free uncontrolled
movement of cheap labour, use of our benefits system. etc.

It has been shown that immigrants are a net benefit to the UK economy.
It is the locals who milk the benefits system.

Watch out for other examples coming, potentially far worse than
Greece.

I'd guess that if UK had joined the Euro, they would qualify as another
far worse example. )

On the plus side many have had benefit of using Polish workers who are
capable of doing house repairs competently and at a reasonable price.
If the locals who they compete with could do the same they wouldn't have
to worry about Polish immigrants. I resent employing an incompetent
local, who charges the same hourly rate as my dentist.

Holland's Wilders wants to pull out of the Euro preferably with Germany.

On 3 May, 09:59, Martin wrote:
Surreyman wrote:
On 3 May, 08:42, Mike Lane wrote:
Martin wrote on May 2, 2010:

Magda wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2010 13:22:22 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "James Silverton"
arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:
... Hello All!
...
... I've never been to Poland and its's hard to find a picture of a market
... with prices in zloty. What abbreviation do the Poles actually use for
... prices in markets, super- and otherwise? I know the international
... abbreviation on currency exchanges is PLN.
They don't have the Euro yet?
It's bad enough that Greece Spain and Portugal have the Euro.
I agree.

When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below 3%, or
whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like myself this
was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted it, I still fail to
understand.

--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
email: mike_lane at mac dot com

All sorts of lame dogs were allowed in without proper scrutinisation
during the recent mass entry of towards a dozen or so third-rate
nations - Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria & co. for xxxxxxxxx sake, and
with all sorts of other similar nations now on the waiting list.
All purely for political reasons - gathering in the ex-Warsaw Pact
countries.
Totally against all the original intentions. They're mostly
immediately negative contributors which is massively upping the cost
of the EU to members with sensible economies, let alone the specific
failures such as Greece.
It's already causing havoc in the UK due to the free uncontrolled
movement of cheap labour, use of our benefits system. etc.

It has been shown that immigrants are a net benefit to the UK economy.
It is the locals who milk the benefits system.

Watch out for other examples coming, potentially far worse than
Greece.

I'd guess that if UK had joined the Euro, they would qualify as another
far worse example. )

On the plus side many have had benefit of using Polish workers who are
capable of doing house repairs competently and at a reasonable price.
If the locals who they compete with could do the same they wouldn't have
to worry about Polish immigrants. I resent employing an incompetent
local, who charges the same hourly rate as my dentist.

Holland's Wilders wants to pull out of the Euro preferably with Germany.

The traceable immigrants probably are a net asset - 'cos they're
within the system.
It's the illegal and moonlighting immigrants that cause the damage -
who don't pay VAT on earnings or income tax, (have you never paid a
Polish plumber in cash?) and use the benefits system. Why d'you think
they're all massing at Calais to get over here, rather than staying in
France?
Good grief, we've just had an EU law passed that forces the UK to pay
all benefits to the families of convicted (and illegal entrant)
terrorists while they're in jail! And sometimes these benefits have to
be paid re children who are still in their home country. Crazy!
And, re membership, the UK is a massive net contributor to the EU.
That's the difference.

Surreyman wrote:
On 3 May, 09:59, Martin wrote:
Surreyman wrote:
On 3 May, 08:42, Mike Lane wrote:
Martin wrote on May 2, 2010:
Magda wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2010 13:22:22 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "James Silverton"
arranged some electrons, so they looked
like this:
... Hello All!
...
... I've never been to Poland and its's hard to find a picture of a market
... with prices in zloty. What abbreviation do the Poles actually use for
... prices in markets, super- and otherwise? I know the international
... abbreviation on currency exchanges is PLN.
They don't have the Euro yet?
It's bad enough that Greece Spain and Portugal have the Euro.
I agree.
When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below 3%, or
whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like myself this
was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted it, I still fail to
understand.
--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
email: mike_lane at mac dot com
All sorts of lame dogs were allowed in without proper scrutinisation
during the recent mass entry of towards a dozen or so third-rate
nations - Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria & co. for xxxxxxxxx sake, and
with all sorts of other similar nations now on the waiting list.
All purely for political reasons - gathering in the ex-Warsaw Pact
countries.
Totally against all the original intentions. They're mostly
immediately negative contributors which is massively upping the cost
of the EU to members with sensible economies, let alone the specific
failures such as Greece.
It's already causing havoc in the UK due to the free uncontrolled
movement of cheap labour, use of our benefits system. etc.
It has been shown that immigrants are a net benefit to the UK economy.
It is the locals who milk the benefits system.

Watch out for other examples coming, potentially far worse than
Greece.
I'd guess that if UK had joined the Euro, they would qualify as another
far worse example. )

On the plus side many have had benefit of using Polish workers who are
capable of doing house repairs competently and at a reasonable price.
If the locals who they compete with could do the same they wouldn't have
to worry about Polish immigrants. I resent employing an incompetent
local, who charges the same hourly rate as my dentist.

Holland's Wilders wants to pull out of the Euro preferably with Germany.

The traceable immigrants probably are a net asset - 'cos they're
within the system.

Polish immigrants are in UK legally.

It's the illegal and moonlighting immigrants that cause the damage -
who don't pay VAT on earnings or income tax, (have you never paid a
Polish plumber in cash?) and use the benefits system.

The vast majority of those working black and abusing the benefits system
in UK are British. Illegal immigrants are paid less ahan the minimum
wage by local legal residents.

Why d'you think
they're all massing at Calais to get over here, rather than staying in
France?

They have a knowledge of English and not French.

Good grief, we've just had an EU law

EU directive?

passed that forces the UK to pay
all benefits to the families of convicted (and illegal entrant)
terrorists while they're in jail! And sometimes these benefits have to
be paid re children who are still in their home country. Crazy!
And, re membership, the UK is a massive net contributor to the EU.
That's the difference.

The difference to what? I was talking about being a member of Euroland.
UK isn't and about legal immigrants.

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Mike Lane wrote in
dia.com:

When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below
3%, or whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like
myself this was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted
it, I still fail to understand.

I also don't understand why the Greeks accepted it. The "one size fits
all" Euro is not just a bad idea for us, it's also bad for them. The
"weak" currencies of Greece, Portugal etc. were just what they needed:
They could erode away their national debts through inflation, at the
same time it made their exports and their tourism industries cheap. The
wealthy Greeks were forced to invest into housing which caused the real
estate boom in the touristy parts of the country. The Euro changed all
that, now these countries are "expensive", thus they can't export as
much as they used to and tourism has gone down. They can't inflate away
their debts, living standards there have gone down, and the housing
boom has stopped. The Euro is a political project for a dubious goal,
economically it makes no sense for anyone.


It made sense to have one common currency for the strong currencies that
were locked to the DMark.

"Martin" a écrit dans le message de groupe de
discussion : ...
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Mike Lane wrote in
dia.com:

When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below
3%, or whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like
myself this was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted
it, I still fail to understand.

I also don't understand why the Greeks accepted it. The "one size fits
all" Euro is not just a bad idea for us, it's also bad for them. The
"weak" currencies of Greece, Portugal etc. were just what they needed:
They could erode away their national debts through inflation, at the
same time it made their exports and their tourism industries cheap. The
wealthy Greeks were forced to invest into housing which caused the real
estate boom in the touristy parts of the country. The Euro changed all
that, now these countries are "expensive", thus they can't export as
much as they used to and tourism has gone down. They can't inflate away
their debts, living standards there have gone down, and the housing
boom has stopped. The Euro is a political project for a dubious goal,
economically it makes no sense for anyone.


It made sense to have one common currency for the strong currencies that
were locked to the DMark.

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote on May 4, 2010:

Mike Lane wrote in
dia.com:

When Greece joined 10 years ago they claimed their inflation was below
3%, or whatever the criterion was. Even to an occasional visitor like
myself this was palpably untrue - how the EU economists just accepted
it, I still fail to understand.

I also don't understand why the Greeks accepted it. The "one size fits
all" Euro is not just a bad idea for us, it's also bad for them. The
"weak" currencies of Greece, Portugal etc. were just what they needed:
They could erode away their national debts through inflation, at the
same time it made their exports and their tourism industries cheap. The
wealthy Greeks were forced to invest into housing which caused the real
estate boom in the touristy parts of the country. The Euro changed all
that, now these countries are "expensive", thus they can't export as
much as they used to and tourism has gone down. They can't inflate away
their debts, living standards there have gone down, and the housing
boom has stopped. The Euro is a political project for a dubious goal,
economically it makes no sense for anyone.


Some Greeks may see it like that now but I don't think many did when they
originally joined. I think the perception was that adopting a strong currency
would somehow transform the country from third world to modern European. The
reality of course was hugely different

In the days of the Drachma Greeks that I met despised their own currency, and
the way it was devalued every few years. I remember in those days
accidentally dropping a handful of coins on the floor in a shop. The
shop-keeper laughed saying "Leave them - they're rubbish anyway". Joining the
Euro-Zone was a popular move then.



--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
email: mike_lane at mac dot com