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Old April 25th, 2004, 06:16 PM
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Each incoming post that meets the rules listed below will either get
an approval message or a rejection message provided that a valid
email address was used. Addresses will not edited to remove any
spamproofing.

If you've been to an all-inclusive resort within the last year, we'd
welcome your submissions. If you submit an article, please include
information about yourself -- whether you were traveling as a single,
couple, or family -- and tell us about the food, accommodations, the
entertainment, and the things you liked the best and the things you
did not care for. Make sure to say when your trip took place.

If you do not see answers to questions you may have, please first
take a look at past posts to the group by going to
http://groups.google.com and use the "Advanced Groups Search"
function of that site to see the previous posts about any particular
area or resort.

Posting Guidelines:

1. Posts must be about all-inclusive resorts or about the operation
of this group.

Here is the definition of all-inclusive resorts that we use for
this newsgroup:

- All meals and evening entertainment are included in the package
price.
- There is no tipping, and the resort actively enforces this rule.
- All the guests at the resort are part of the inclusive plan.

For a list of the all-inclusive resorts that currently meet this
definition, see the list at:

http://www.LeBeachClub.com/MasterList.htm.


2. No crossposts, that is, posts must have only this group in the
Newsgroups header.

3. No spam or commercial posts, which includes posts by travel agents
or travel websites. Also, posts asking questions about travel agents
or travel websites are not allowed.

4. No posts with flames or any other personal invective will be
accepted.

5. Please place your new comments within the quoted text so that the
discussion is easier to follow.

6. Please delete any quoted text that you are not commenting on since
it makes it easier to follow the discussion. A moderator may delete
such extraneous quoted text at their own discretion.

7. Please limit the size of appended signature files to 2 lines or
less. Articles with excessively long signatures will either have the
signatures deleted outright prior to approval or will be returned to
the author for revision.

Exceptions to the signature restrictions will be made, provided
that the poster has a very good reason for the format of their
particular signature and that they communicate that reason to the
moderators. One example of such an acceptable reason would be
legal disclaimers required by the poster's organization (company,
university, or facility providing their Internet access).

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Old May 1st, 2004, 04:37 PM
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Thanks Dave, I especially appreciate the links to the various AI inclusives.
Now, I wonder how we can generate more participation in this newsgroup?:

http://www.LeBeachClub.com/MasterList.htm.
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Old May 1st, 2004, 05:21 PM
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In article ,
Pavel writes:
Thanks Dave, I especially appreciate the links to the various AI inclusives.
Now, I wonder how we can generate more participation in this newsgroup?:


One thing I've considered is to accept posts from web site owners
about their sites. An example of one that I've rejected is
www.mytripreport.com since I felt the post was too promotional for
the site. Please check it out and let me know if posts of such places
would be acceptable.

As you may have noticed, I have allowed posts that discuss pricing
of trips, but I'm still avoiding any that mention places to get the
best prices since I feel it could encourage travel agents to post
here. I still think it best to keep travel agent posts out myself.

Anyone have anything they'd like to see done differently in regard to
how the group is handled? This is a good time to open up discussion
on potential guideline changes and additions.

--
David Bath - Moderator for rec.travel.resorts.all-inclusive


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Old May 1st, 2004, 10:28 PM
Pavel
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"David E. Bath" wrote in message ...

: One thing I've considered is to accept posts from web site owners
: about their sites. An example of one that I've rejected is
: www.mytripreport.com since I felt the post was too promotional for
: the site. Please check it out and let me know if posts of such places
: would be acceptable.

I agree, I don't like the above website. I only of a few websites that were not "too" promotional.

: As you may have noticed, I have allowed posts that discuss pricing
: of trips, but I'm still avoiding any that mention places to get the
: best prices since I feel it could encourage travel agents to post
: here. I still think it best to keep travel agent posts out myself.
:
: Anyone have anything they'd like to see done differently in regard to
: how the group is handled? This is a good time to open up discussion
: on potential guideline changes and additions.

I think this forum is very good the way it is now. Personally, I would like to see more volume with [relevant] discussions. In otherwords, somehow, I would like this forum to receive more exposure.

I did a search on Google and the first 10 results using "all inclusive forums". This website/newsgroup didn't show up, while Debbie's did.

Pavel
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Old May 3rd, 2004, 03:50 AM
Hai Pham
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I think we should be more open. Look at number posts per day 1 or two max. I
would like to see where people got the good deal, any problems to book from
internet. I hear people got good deal from Apple Vacations but not directly
from Apple vacations but through another one but end up with Apple
vacations. We want to get more information since the All inclusive is not
cheap so it may get more advertise but the same token we may benefits more
by people has experience with some resorts before. For example, the travel
agent/promotion said about X resort, someone may jump in and said that one
is good but some thing is not good or tell us about the price. I browse a
lot of groups this is one of the worst one in term to get information and
every time I posted (2 times), I got screen even nothing was in the post
except asked for the price. I have experience with the cruise group, we got
advertise but we got good information from it too. As a lot people say you
can't get something for free. I go for more information, since we can skip
it easy. A very small number of posts per day due restriction defeat the
purpose of the group, I believe. If you have the chance go to the cruise
group, rec.model.rc.air, they have many posts per day some have a little
advertisement or just good experience with the travel agent/store. I believe
amount of people go to All-inclusive resorts is about the same as people go
to cruise, so why can't we get many posts.
I need information about go all-inclusive in Cancun, I got almost zero
information in this group. If I plan to go on cruise, I got exactly
information I want and more. Please open up for the benefits of a lot
people. I know some people don't like too much commercial but we can skip it
and it takes less than a second to scan through which one you want to read.

Regards,

Hai Pham
"David E. Bath" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Pavel writes:
Thanks Dave, I especially appreciate the links to the various AI

inclusives.
Now, I wonder how we can generate more participation in this newsgroup?:


One thing I've considered is to accept posts from web site owners
about their sites. An example of one that I've rejected is
www.mytripreport.com since I felt the post was too promotional for
the site. Please check it out and let me know if posts of such places
would be acceptable.

As you may have noticed, I have allowed posts that discuss pricing
of trips, but I'm still avoiding any that mention places to get the
best prices since I feel it could encourage travel agents to post
here. I still think it best to keep travel agent posts out myself.

Anyone have anything they'd like to see done differently in regard to
how the group is handled? This is a good time to open up discussion
on potential guideline changes and additions.

--
David Bath - Moderator for rec.travel.resorts.all-inclusive



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Old May 3rd, 2004, 01:05 PM
Leasa Hachey
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I agree. I don't know if this post will get through, as I haven't been
allowed to post yet, being that my site is the trip report site. All I have
tried to do is answer questions with my site URL in my signature. I haven't
actually directed people to my site saying "Hey everyone, check out my site"
or anything, so I wouldn't say I was "too promotional". I don't come on
here repeatedly advertising, directing people to me, I just have my address
in my signature, maybe I'd direct people to a trip report on my site if they
asked about a resort I knew I had one for. Yes, my site is commercial, but
it is also definately helpful to those planning a vacation. Because my site
involves trip reports, I have a lot of valuable information at my fingertips
for those needing it that are planning trips to all-inclusive resorts.

Perhaps if people knew they were going to GET this kind of help they may
actually come and post on this list, but it looks like this list is almost
dead. No-one asks questions because no-one gets answers until the moderator
decides that the answers fit a pre-designed mold. The activity on all the
other lists is great, as Hai Pham pointed out, and no limits are placed on
postings as they are here. The cruises list is a perfect example.

Well, for what it's worth, that's my $0.02 worth. (and that's in Canadian
funds, so it's worth even less!! =)


"Hai Pham" wrote in message
...
I think we should be more open. Look at number posts per day 1 or two max.

I
would like to see where people got the good deal, any problems to book

from
internet. I hear people got good deal from Apple Vacations but not

directly
from Apple vacations but through another one but end up with Apple
vacations. We want to get more information since the All inclusive is not
cheap so it may get more advertise but the same token we may benefits more
by people has experience with some resorts before. For example, the travel
agent/promotion said about X resort, someone may jump in and said that one
is good but some thing is not good or tell us about the price. I browse a
lot of groups this is one of the worst one in term to get information and
every time I posted (2 times), I got screen even nothing was in the post
except asked for the price. I have experience with the cruise group, we

got
advertise but we got good information from it too. As a lot people say you
can't get something for free. I go for more information, since we can skip
it easy. A very small number of posts per day due restriction defeat the
purpose of the group, I believe. If you have the chance go to the cruise
group, rec.model.rc.air, they have many posts per day some have a little
advertisement or just good experience with the travel agent/store. I

believe
amount of people go to All-inclusive resorts is about the same as people

go
to cruise, so why can't we get many posts.
I need information about go all-inclusive in Cancun, I got almost zero
information in this group. If I plan to go on cruise, I got exactly
information I want and more. Please open up for the benefits of a lot
people. I know some people don't like too much commercial but we can skip

it
and it takes less than a second to scan through which one you want to

read.

Regards,

Hai Pham
"David E. Bath" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Pavel writes:
Thanks Dave, I especially appreciate the links to the various AI

inclusives.
Now, I wonder how we can generate more participation in this

newsgroup?:

One thing I've considered is to accept posts from web site owners
about their sites. An example of one that I've rejected is
www.mytripreport.com since I felt the post was too promotional for
the site. Please check it out and let me know if posts of such places
would be acceptable.

As you may have noticed, I have allowed posts that discuss pricing
of trips, but I'm still avoiding any that mention places to get the
best prices since I feel it could encourage travel agents to post
here. I still think it best to keep travel agent posts out myself.

Anyone have anything they'd like to see done differently in regard to
how the group is handled? This is a good time to open up discussion
on potential guideline changes and additions.

--
David Bath - Moderator for rec.travel.resorts.all-inclusive



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Old May 4th, 2004, 12:39 AM
David E. Bath
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In article ,
Leasa Hachey writes:
I agree. I don't know if this post will get through, as I haven't been
allowed to post yet, being that my site is the trip report site. All I have
tried to do is answer questions with my site URL in my signature. I haven't
actually directed people to my site saying "Hey everyone, check out my site"
or anything, so I wouldn't say I was "too promotional". I don't come on
here repeatedly advertising, directing people to me, I just have my address
in my signature, maybe I'd direct people to a trip report on my site if they
asked about a resort I knew I had one for. Yes, my site is commercial, but
it is also definately helpful to those planning a vacation. Because my site
involves trip reports, I have a lot of valuable information at my fingertips
for those needing it that are planning trips to all-inclusive resorts.


I advised her that she could post about trips she'd made, but I
didn't feel that just posting a link to reports on her website was
appropriate. I wouldn't be against someone else pointing people to a
trip report they found on your site, but from her it is borderline
self-promotion.

Perhaps if people knew they were going to GET this kind of help they may
actually come and post on this list, but it looks like this list is almost
dead. No-one asks questions because no-one gets answers until the moderator
decides that the answers fit a pre-designed mold.


That is only true for travel agents or travel websites, anyone else
is allowed to post as long as it's a bout all-inclusive resorts. This
is a moderated group, so posts must meet the group guidelines. the
guidelines can change, but it will take a consensus before I will
change them. So far it's one for and one against allowing posts like
you want to post.


The activity on all the
other lists is great, as Hai Pham pointed out, and no limits are placed on
postings as they are here. The cruises list is a perfect example.


That group and the other he referred to are not moderated groups, so
they will be different. And as this group is limited to only all
inclusives, it will get less traffic. Some of the reasons for the
current level of posts is due to the previous moderator's policies, he
was overly restrictive in my others opinion. Check out his old group
guidelines at http://www.lebeachclub.com/newsgroup.htm.
I've pretty much posted everything that's come in that's on topic
except for what you've sent in.

Well, for what it's worth, that's my $0.02 worth. (and that's in Canadian
funds, so it's worth even less!! =)


"Hai Pham" wrote in message
...
I think we should be more open. Look at number posts per day 1 or two max.

I
would like to see where people got the good deal, any problems to book

from
internet. I hear people got good deal from Apple Vacations but not

directly
from Apple vacations but through another one but end up with Apple
vacations. We want to get more information since the All inclusive is not
cheap so it may get more advertise but the same token we may benefits more
by people has experience with some resorts before. For example, the travel
agent/promotion said about X resort, someone may jump in and said that one
is good but some thing is not good or tell us about the price. I browse a
lot of groups this is one of the worst one in term to get information and
every time I posted (2 times), I got screen even nothing was in the post
except asked for the price.


That is the old moderator's policy, I'm sure I would have posted them
as I did this one. All I ask is that it's not an ad and that it is
about all inclusive resorts.

I have experience with the cruise group, we

got
advertise but we got good information from it too. As a lot people say you
can't get something for free. I go for more information, since we can skip
it easy. A very small number of posts per day due restriction defeat the
purpose of the group, I believe. If you have the chance go to the cruise
group, rec.model.rc.air, they have many posts per day some have a little
advertisement or just good experience with the travel agent/store. I

believe
amount of people go to All-inclusive resorts is about the same as people

go
to cruise, so why can't we get many posts.
I need information about go all-inclusive in Cancun, I got almost zero
information in this group. If I plan to go on cruise, I got exactly
information I want and more. Please open up for the benefits of a lot
people. I know some people don't like too much commercial but we can skip

it
and it takes less than a second to scan through which one you want to

read.

Regards,

Hai Pham
"David E. Bath" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Pavel writes:
Thanks Dave, I especially appreciate the links to the various AI

inclusives.
Now, I wonder how we can generate more participation in this

newsgroup?:

One thing I've considered is to accept posts from web site owners
about their sites. An example of one that I've rejected is
www.mytripreport.com since I felt the post was too promotional for
the site. Please check it out and let me know if posts of such places
would be acceptable.

As you may have noticed, I have allowed posts that discuss pricing
of trips, but I'm still avoiding any that mention places to get the
best prices since I feel it could encourage travel agents to post
here. I still think it best to keep travel agent posts out myself.

Anyone have anything they'd like to see done differently in regard to
how the group is handled? This is a good time to open up discussion
on potential guideline changes and additions.

--
David Bath - Moderator for rec.travel.resorts.all-inclusive




--
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Old May 4th, 2004, 01:05 AM
Jan
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I've posted a few times to this site, but my posts took ages to appear.
I believe people asking questions like to get answers quickly, maybe
they've got accommadation on hold and just have a
small query that could easily be answered here.
Then I got told off for an answer I gave- still don't know why, as the
relevant posts have disapeared.
Maybe it was because I posted the source of my info, a british travel site,
I understand now you don't allow advertising, However if its relevant to the
post/answer, then why not?

Jan

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Old May 4th, 2004, 01:23 AM
David E. Bath
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In article ,
"Jan" writes:
I've posted a few times to this site, but my posts took ages to appear.


Not sure the cause, but it was before I was the moderator. Shouldn't
happen now, but as it's a moderated group it will not be as fast as
a non=moderated group since it has to go thru the moderator.

I believe people asking questions like to get answers quickly, maybe
they've got accommadation on hold and just have a
small query that could easily be answered here.


No problem with that.

Then I got told off for an answer I gave- still don't know why, as the
relevant posts have disapeared.


The groups.google.com website archives all posts to newsgroups.

Maybe it was because I posted the source of my info, a british travel site,
I understand now you don't allow advertising, However if its relevant to the
post/answer, then why not?


If someone who is not affiliated with the site posts it, it's OK with
me. My concern is getting too many posts from web site owners just to
get hits on their site as they get paid for each one. My feeling is
that if they wanted info from a web site, they would do a web search
and find it.

--
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Old May 6th, 2004, 12:04 AM
Paul Cardoza
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Well, as someone who is thrilled to see this group become active
again, I'll "sort of" agree with Leasa. Some non-aggressive
advertising would be more than acceptable to me, such as the web site
in her sig line as described. However, I think the advantages of
keeping the group moderated FAAAARRRR outweigh any of the other issues
brought up.


On 3 May 2004 23:39:21 GMT, (David E. Bath)
wrote:

In article ,
Leasa Hachey writes:
I agree. I don't know if this post will get through, as I haven't been
allowed to post yet, being that my site is the trip report site. All I have
tried to do is answer questions with my site URL in my signature. I haven't
actually directed people to my site saying "Hey everyone, check out my site"
or anything, so I wouldn't say I was "too promotional". I don't come on
here repeatedly advertising, directing people to me, I just have my address
in my signature, maybe I'd direct people to a trip report on my site if they
asked about a resort I knew I had one for. Yes, my site is commercial, but
it is also definately helpful to those planning a vacation. Because my site
involves trip reports, I have a lot of valuable information at my fingertips
for those needing it that are planning trips to all-inclusive resorts.


I advised her that she could post about trips she'd made, but I
didn't feel that just posting a link to reports on her website was
appropriate. I wouldn't be against someone else pointing people to a
trip report they found on your site, but from her it is borderline
self-promotion.

Perhaps if people knew they were going to GET this kind of help they may
actually come and post on this list, but it looks like this list is almost
dead. No-one asks questions because no-one gets answers until the moderator
decides that the answers fit a pre-designed mold.


That is only true for travel agents or travel websites, anyone else
is allowed to post as long as it's a bout all-inclusive resorts. This
is a moderated group, so posts must meet the group guidelines. the
guidelines can change, but it will take a consensus before I will
change them. So far it's one for and one against allowing posts like
you want to post.


The activity on all the
other lists is great, as Hai Pham pointed out, and no limits are placed on
postings as they are here. The cruises list is a perfect example.


That group and the other he referred to are not moderated groups, so
they will be different. And as this group is limited to only all
inclusives, it will get less traffic. Some of the reasons for the
current level of posts is due to the previous moderator's policies, he
was overly restrictive in my others opinion. Check out his old group
guidelines at http://www.lebeachclub.com/newsgroup.htm.
I've pretty much posted everything that's come in that's on topic
except for what you've sent in.

Well, for what it's worth, that's my $0.02 worth. (and that's in Canadian
funds, so it's worth even less!! =)


"Hai Pham" wrote in message
...
I think we should be more open. Look at number posts per day 1 or two max.

I
would like to see where people got the good deal, any problems to book

from
internet. I hear people got good deal from Apple Vacations but not

directly
from Apple vacations but through another one but end up with Apple
vacations. We want to get more information since the All inclusive is not
cheap so it may get more advertise but the same token we may benefits more
by people has experience with some resorts before. For example, the travel
agent/promotion said about X resort, someone may jump in and said that one
is good but some thing is not good or tell us about the price. I browse a
lot of groups this is one of the worst one in term to get information and
every time I posted (2 times), I got screen even nothing was in the post
except asked for the price.


That is the old moderator's policy, I'm sure I would have posted them
as I did this one. All I ask is that it's not an ad and that it is
about all inclusive resorts.

I have experience with the cruise group, we

got
advertise but we got good information from it too. As a lot people say you
can't get something for free. I go for more information, since we can skip
it easy. A very small number of posts per day due restriction defeat the
purpose of the group, I believe. If you have the chance go to the cruise
group, rec.model.rc.air, they have many posts per day some have a little
advertisement or just good experience with the travel agent/store. I

believe
amount of people go to All-inclusive resorts is about the same as people

go
to cruise, so why can't we get many posts.
I need information about go all-inclusive in Cancun, I got almost zero
information in this group. If I plan to go on cruise, I got exactly
information I want and more. Please open up for the benefits of a lot
people. I know some people don't like too much commercial but we can skip

it
and it takes less than a second to scan through which one you want to

read.

Regards,

Hai Pham
"David E. Bath" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Pavel writes:
Thanks Dave, I especially appreciate the links to the various AI
inclusives.
Now, I wonder how we can generate more participation in this

newsgroup?:

One thing I've considered is to accept posts from web site owners
about their sites. An example of one that I've rejected is
www.mytripreport.com since I felt the post was too promotional for
the site. Please check it out and let me know if posts of such places
would be acceptable.

As you may have noticed, I have allowed posts that discuss pricing
of trips, but I'm still avoiding any that mention places to get the
best prices since I feel it could encourage travel agents to post
here. I still think it best to keep travel agent posts out myself.

Anyone have anything they'd like to see done differently in regard to
how the group is handled? This is a good time to open up discussion
on potential guideline changes and additions.

--
David Bath - Moderator for rec.travel.resorts.all-inclusive



 




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