With The World Environment Day Conference.....

pigo wrote:

This is a good place to involk "godwin"

Involk? What kind of folk would involk?

Or maybe it's German? The "in Volk" versus the "aus Volk"?

"sechumlib" wrote in message
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pigo wrote:

This is a good place to involk "godwin"

Involk? What kind of folk would involk?

Or maybe it's German? The "in Volk" versus the "aus Volk"?

oops. it's invoke isn't it? Ah well, still applies.

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:


Merlin Dorfman wrote:
In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:

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I'm not getting through, am I, Stan? I keep asking you whether
we should consider this a problem (and if so whether we should try to
do something about it), or just assume it will fix itself, or just
ignore it. And you keep describing (accurately or not) the symptoms
of what I believe is a problem (and one that has, and will continue to
have, serious consequences for the problem), and whose fault it is.




OK! I'll bite. It's the problem of the local community. Thus it is
the responsibility of the community leaders. If they complain that the
kids won't listen to them then perhaps they aren't the actual leaders of
the community.


Hey, how convenient! It's somebody else's problem to solve,
and you can just wash your hands of it.

Yep.

(1) If you really believe what you said, what are you doing to
support those "community leaders" who agree with your position, e.g.,
Bill Cosby?

Any comments that I made would probably not be useful.

(2) In any case, if the "community leaders" are not making much
progress in solving the problem, is there anything the rest of the
country can or should be doing to help?


Probably nothing that would be accepted.

How neat. You can stand aside, click your tongue at what a
lousy job everybody is doing, and go about your life.
So apparently it doesn't seem to be enough of a problem to
you and your way of life to bother with.

In ba.transportation pigo wrote:

"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message
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That's a good question. They seem to make more noise about
Terri Schiavo and stem cell research than about torture, the
Patriot Act, and the Iraq war. Opposition to those three things
really is the conservative position.

Really? I bet you guys think of me as conservative. And I think that
Mrs. Schiavo's wishes via her husband should have been honored a long
time ago. And I stem cell research and think that there aren't
nearly enough abortions.

And of course you let your President and any Republicans who
represent you in Congress know about this regularly and loudly,
right?

And I support the Patriot Act and Iraq war.
Put that in your biased pipe and smoke it.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:


Merlin Dorfman wrote:

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:

Your un-American attitudes indicate that you should consider moving to
one of the more dictatorial countries where you would be more
comfortable with their traditional restrictions on political freedom.
You clearly have no liking for America.


Hmm, I saw a lot of criticism of Republicans and conservatives,
and of some individuals. Is that un-American or anti-American?
What specifically do you believe falls in those categories?

The comparison of the comments about the outrages at Gitmo to treason
pretty much does ot.

The only treason comparison I saw was that those who criticize
GTMO are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

In ba.transportation sechumlib wrote:
pigo wrote:

This is a good place to involk "godwin"

Involk? What kind of folk would involk?

Or maybe it's German? The "in Volk" versus the "aus Volk"?

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer!

In ba.transportation Frank F. Matthews wrote:


Merlin Dorfman wrote:

....

I'm not getting through, am I, Stan? I keep asking you whether
we should consider this a problem (and if so whether we should try to
do something about it), or just assume it will fix itself, or just
ignore it. And you keep describing (accurately or not) the symptoms
of what I believe is a problem (and one that has, and will continue to
have, serious consequences for the problem), and whose fault it is.



OK! I'll bite. It's the problem of the local community. Thus it is
the responsibility of the community leaders. If they complain that the
kids won't listen to them then perhaps they aren't the actual leaders of
the community.

You two really disappoint me. I was expecting you to come up
with some cookie-cutter solution--break the teachers' union, or
throw all first-time drug offenders in jail for life, and that will
solve all the problems in a matter of weeks. But aparently you
just don't see the continued economic failure of this large ethnic
group as anything that we need to be concerned about.

"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message
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In ba.transportation Jack May wrote:
There is no possible application of this theory that would
account for more than 2 to 3 IQ points in the average for different
races; even "The Bell Curve" does not claim any more. And there must
be a huge overlap, so that the probability of a person of one race
picked at random being more intelligent than one of another race
also picked at random is very, very close to 50%.

Real world statistics are seldom Gaussian (Bell curve) Most real world
statistics are power law with a distribution such as 1/X^C where C is a
constant. They are called heavy tail distributions because very large
variation have a far higher probability than Gaussian tails.

Human capabilities in all areas of endeavor are power law. The curves show
that the top 1% for example produce five times more than the average person.
The bottom 20% produces almost nothing. That is why you see the extreme
people for example make many times more or accomplishing many times more
than the average person.

The same distribution applies to lines of code written, touch downs made,
enemy aircraft shot down, and innovations.

A Gaussian distribution is seen when many independent things are added
together (or in simple homework problems) :-). When many things interact
with each other, especially in a non-linear way, you get power law
statistics. Fractals are power law distributions for example.

"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message
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"Jack May" enscribed:

And you don't present this revolutionary theory on sci.bio because you got
tired of being laughed at?

Revolutionary? This is exactly what Darwin observed in the islands when he
developed his theory of evolution. This is what his book was all about in
the 19th Century.

Do you have no education at all in biology and evolution?

The net result is that you have to ignore genetic taxonomic evidence that
easily disproves your claim. You're also trying to slip by with the word
"same". Nobody asserts everybody is the same, nor that different
concentrations of various genes appear in different populations. What has
been proved is the remarkable homogeneity. What does happen, thanks to
humans' innate (enate?) exogamous tendencies, is that successful mutations
quickly spread throughout the world.

That is false. Our present genes have retained the differences from when
our branch of evolution started with modern humans about 60,000 years ago.
The changes in genes of present humans is used to find the locations and
dates of the migration of humans.

With our ease of travel in the last few decades with people from different
parts of the worlds producing children, the National Geographic is worried
that the distinct genes used to track human migration and different
evolutionary changes in different parts of the world may blur or erased.

The National Geographic Society has launched a crash program having people
from all over the world send in DNA samples to document the migration and
evolutionary changes of different groups of people before those changes are
blurred and then erased by our present ease of travel and diverse
geographical child procreation in the present world.

https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

It is obvious from the above URL that what I have been discussing is very
well known and widely accepted. Your view is not supported by either the
real data or by our knowledge of evolution.

BTW, if you use their kit and send in your DNA, I think they send you back
the information of where your ancestors lived. The information is captured
in you genes formed from the migration and evolutionary change in their
genes that are different than those of other groups of humans.


Human populations have not been as isolated as you pretend. Besides the
historical fact and archaeological evidence of whole tribes migrating vast
distances and continent spanning trade networks throughout the existence
of our species, all you really need to spread genes around is a single
fertile adult traveller.

The migration and evolutionary change happened over tens of thousands of
years. Your grasping at straws type argument is not supported by the data.


In short, you're an ignorant jackass hoping to wow people with your
pretense of knowledge. Parrot some more David Duke drivel.

So now all biological science and the National Geographic Society is racist?
Everything that the million of people working in genetics and evolution are
racist.

You with your negligible knowledge of just about everything is the only
correct person on the face of the Earth? Not an easy theory to believe.

Merlin Dorfman wrote:
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer!

Jawohl! Schweinhund!