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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
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at wrote on 3/1/04 11:20 AM: On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:03:18 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote: in article , John Ewing at none@needed wrote on 3/1/04 4:27 AM: "Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC681CA2.2147C%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... Mr Sims said the passengers due to fly on NZ3 would have experienced delays of up to four hours. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydispl...section=news&t h esubsection=general Assuming AKL was their final destination. For those making connections it could be heavens-knows-what Keep it in perspective - this was a one-off. Bad weather and aircraft equipment defects cause thousands of flight delays and cancellations every year. People understand weather delays, etc. (I just went through that a little over a week ago - YHZ was completely shut down for two days. Not one of the hundreds of people in the terminal was ticked at the cancellation but a few were ticked at Air Canada because they were the only airline with nobody at the counter). I WOULD be angry at the airline for canceling a flight because their crew "saw a nasty thing" a bit earlier. LOL. Demanding little buggar aren't you. Aren't you an attorney? If so, and it had happened to you, I'd expect you would sue them? What is more important to you? Passenger safety or you getting your way? Cath "Attorney" is an American term. I am a barrister and solicitor 8-) Everyone seems to be proceeding on the basis that this is a safety issue. I respectfully disagree. Nasty things happen. The original article said that although some crew were upset (who wouldn't be?) they felt able to continue on the scheduled flight. If the airline, or a crew member for that matter, disagreed, it should be incumbent upon the airline to provide a substitute so the several hundred pax aren't prejudiced. This is a far different thing from a mechanical or weather delay, (which we have all experienced, and for the most part shrugged off as part of the inherent vagaries of travel). It's also far different from, say, even air rage or other precautions that force landings or cancellations (like the various Heathrow-Dulles flights lately) This is a "ooh, life is hard." Deal with it. I flew the first America-bound flight out of Melbourne after 9/11. It was United. The crew were obviously "traumatized." In fact, the P.I.C. had been hired many years ago by the pilot of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. It didn't prevent anyone from doing their job. As for suing....NZ should consider going after the estate of the deceased for all of its damages, including the dent in the van 8-) |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
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Hilary at wrote on 3/1/04 2:54 PM: Mr Sims said the passengers due to fly on NZ3 would have experienced delays of up to four hours. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydispl...section=news&t h esubsection=general Assuming AKL was their final destination. For those making connections it could be heavens-knows-what Keep it in perspective - this was a one-off. Bad weather and aircraft equipment defects cause thousands of flight delays and cancellations every year. People understand weather delays, etc. (I just went through that a little over a week ago - YHZ was completely shut down for two days. Not one of the hundreds of people in the terminal was ticked at the cancellation but a few were ticked at Air Canada because they were the only airline with nobody at the counter). I WOULD be angry at the airline for canceling a flight because their crew "saw a nasty thing" a bit earlier. We're not talking about a small bit of roadkill here. Someone died by hitting the bus, No, he died by jumping off a bridge on top of a bus. |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
Miguel Cruz wrote:
Here's what I don't understand - wouldn't it have been cheaper to pay for a parking spot for 14 hours and fly a new crew out? The traumatized crew could head home on Qantas. You are forgetting that the 747 at LAX was needed at AKL 145-16 hours later for another flight. Parking the jet at LAX would not only force the stranding of the pax on that particular flight, but also stranding the pax who were expected to board that plane at AKL half a day later. If the next flight will generate $100,000 in profits, and flying the plane empty costs $40,000 , then you still end up making $60,000 in profits by flying it empty. If you strand the plane, you lose that $100,000 in profits the next flight would have generated (and have 400 more angry pax). |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC68DDEF.214AE%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... Everyone seems to be proceeding on the basis that this is a safety issue. I respectfully disagree. That's your right. But you're wrong. That's obvious to people in aviation who understand the effects of stress on performance. You no doubt think you're an expert in your legal field. Apply the same reasoning to airline operations managers. Remember, you're a passenger --- and passengers aren't recognised authorities on air safety. People employed to do the job are. |
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"Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC693554.214C7%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... in article , Tosser at wrote on 3/1/04 5:23 PM: "Raffi Balmanoukian" a wrote in message news:BC68DDEF.214AE%walkabout@TAKEOUTTHETRASHTOREP LY.ns.sympatico.ca... Everyone seems to be proceeding on the basis that this is a safety issue. I respectfully disagree. That's your right. But you're wrong. That's obvious to people in aviation who understand the effects of stress on performance. You no doubt think you're an expert in your legal field. Apply the same reasoning to airline operations managers. Remember, you're a passenger --- and passengers aren't recognised authorities on air safety. People employed to do the job are. Fine - the point remains, people "get upset" about all kinds of things, all the time. If the airline is going to cancel flights over it - on safety, humanitarian, or karmic grounds - they should ensure enough redundancy to cover these out-of-the-blue contingencies (unlike weather or mechanical). No Transportation Company can have a plan for everything. That was a 1 in a million shot. People who were inconvenienced by this just have to shake it off, and go on with their lives. I've been delayed hundreds of times, for hundreds of reasons. It happens. That's life. |
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Raffi Balmanoukian wrote:
We all have stress from various sources at various times. Do we get to knock off work (including in the airline industry) because we had a fight with a spouse or the dog died or..... How often have you had a suicide land on the vehicle you are in? How many times have you heard of this happening to an entire (or majority) of a flight crew? I think this was a good decision by the airline. That is the kind of thing that should attract more business, not less. |
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Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:30:23 -0500, flyer wrote:
Mutlley wrote: (snip) Talk about a pampered group of workers. Not to mention the high thread count sheets they'll be requesting, king sized beds, the best rooms in the resort, away from elevators and street lights outside, luxury curtains in the room, gourmet meals, satellite television in multiple languages. Oh wait. That's Qantas cabin crew. Never mind. ROFL |
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