Air NZ crew heads home alone after LA suicide

"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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in article , Jim Davis Sr. at
wrote on 3/1/04 9:09 PM:


"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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As for suing....NZ should consider going after the estate of the
deceased
for all of its damages, including the dent in the van 8-)

Go after the Estate? Oh Gawd! The guy probably had nothing, or very
little.

Not if he had insurance payable to his estate.

I can see the Headlines now "Air New Zealand Sues Widowed mother of 3"
Contrary to belief, most people who resort to suicide, don't have much in
the first place, and they usually leave family behind that are already
struggling to feed themselves & their children. Yeah, a few rich ones jump,
but the percentage is small compared to the common person.

On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:04:18 GMT, "Jim Davis Sr."
wrote:

No Transportation Company can have a plan for everything. That was a 1 in a
million shot. People who were inconvenienced by this just have to shake it
off, and go on with their lives. I've been delayed hundreds of times, for
hundreds of reasons. It happens. That's life.


Yeah, I can see it in the training manual now:

"Procedures to be Followed When a Human Body Falls from the Sky onto
Cabin Crew Transport.

1. Remove body.
2. Clean windscreen thoroughly before proceeding.
3 ...."

Cheers, Alan

in article m, Jim Davis
Sr. at wrote on 3/1/04 9:47 PM:


"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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in article , Jim Davis Sr. at
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"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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As for suing....NZ should consider going after the estate of the
deceased
for all of its damages, including the dent in the van 8-)

Go after the Estate? Oh Gawd! The guy probably had nothing, or very
little.

Not if he had insurance payable to his estate.

I can see the Headlines now "Air New Zealand Sues Widowed mother of 3"

They wouldn't be suing any widow or orphan. Just the estate. My whole
point, throughout, is that the pax shouldn't be bent up because of some
bloke's irresponsible actions (sane or insane). Similarly, the airline
shouldn't be out of pocket, if there's some prospect of recovery. It's a
variant of "my right to swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose."

"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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in article m, Jim Davis
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"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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wrote on 3/1/04 9:09 PM:


"Raffi Balmanoukian"
a
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As for suing....NZ should consider going after the estate of the
deceased
for all of its damages, including the dent in the van 8-)

Go after the Estate? Oh Gawd! The guy probably had nothing, or very
little.

Not if he had insurance payable to his estate.

I can see the Headlines now "Air New Zealand Sues Widowed mother of 3"

They wouldn't be suing any widow or orphan. Just the estate. My whole
point, throughout, is that the pax shouldn't be bent up because of some
bloke's irresponsible actions (sane or insane). Similarly, the airline
shouldn't be out of pocket, if there's some prospect of recovery. It's a
variant of "my right to swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose."

What I'm trying to say is that the "Estate", if any, that this guy has left
will probably not be sufficient for his surviving family to live on for the
rest of their lives. If the estate is sued, the innocent survivors will be
the ones to suffer. It's not their fault that he decided to take a header
off the bridge or building.

in article , Jim Davis Sr.
at wrote on 3/1/04 10:23 PM:

What I'm trying to say is that the "Estate", if any, that this guy has left
will probably not be sufficient for his surviving family to live on for the
rest of their lives. If the estate is sued, the innocent survivors will be
the ones to suffer. It's not their fault that he decided to take a header
off the bridge or building.




Agreed, but by the same token, it's not the airline or the pax's fault
either. He could have killed himself in a way that did not impact them. If
doing so in a way that impacts hundreds of others affects any surviving
family (and you're assuming there is one).....I feel for them but I can't
quite reach. Balancing the equities, the innocent pax/airline deserves any
resources over those of the alleged widows and orphans.

Mutlley wrote in
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a b c wrote:

Mr Sims said the crew went to assist but the person was dead and
they were "faced with a horrific scene".

Gee. What a precious lot. I guess they will need counseling on
some sunny beach for a month before they return to work.

Talk about a pampered group of workers.

So what you're saying is that these people had someone jump off a
bridge, land on their car, and they are expected to just shrug this
off?!?!?

I commend Air NZ for taking their staff's welfare into account as well
as the welfare of their passengers.

PapaBear

"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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Balancing the equities, the innocent pax/airline deserves any
resources over those of the alleged widows and orphans.

That's real cute ... social equity obviously isn't factored into your
equation.

My son had an accident at the beach seven years ago which resulted in him
becoming a quadriplegic. One person did suggest we sue the beach patrol for
his misadventure. I am sure some lawyer would take on such a case, but most
certainly not on our behalf.

We all recognise it as just simple damn bad luck. Accidents do happen.

John

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:01:21 GMT, "Jim Davis Sr." wrote:


"budgie" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:49:24 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

I take it you haven't personally experienced a jumper.

I was in Buffalo, NY in the 70's. A guy jumped from the roof of City Hall.
What he didn't count on, was the 3rd or 4th floor balcony in front with a
flag pole. He was impaled half way down the pole for some time before the
fire dept. cut down the pole. I was stuck in traffic, while they cut him
down. I believe they closed down City Hall for the day.

with flags at half-mast? (ouch!! - sorry)

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:27:19 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

in article , budgie at
wrote on 3/1/04 8:44 PM:

We all have stress from various sources at various times. Do we get to
knock off work (including in the airline industry) because we had a fight
with a spouse or the dog died or.....

I take it you haven't personally experienced a jumper.

Does finding a horse's head in my bed count?

Nope, that's just a personal affront from an individual.

Trust me, the sight of a jumper going past - and of the splatter mess fifteen
floors below - is not easily forgotten. And that was thirty-odd years back.

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:26:21 GMT, Raffi Balmanoukian
a wrote:

in article , Jim Davis Sr. at
wrote on 3/1/04 9:09 PM:


"Raffi Balmanoukian" a
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As for suing....NZ should consider going after the estate of the deceased
for all of its damages, including the dent in the van 8-)

Go after the Estate? Oh Gawd! The guy probably had nothing, or very
little.

Not if he had insurance payable to his estate.

which in all probability had a suicide exception.