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In message sechumlib
wrote: On 2008-02-15 11:08:49 -0500, "Jim Davis" said: This couldn't have happened. Which makes Markuu's "gun control" solution invalid. Did either of you notice that it DID happen? Congrats -- And if I'm not mistaken, you've just stumbled on the reason that gun control isn't a solution to this particular problem. The act was already illegal. Several steps leading up to the act were illegal. Why would one more law on top of a set of illegal acts make any difference? |
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On Feb 15, 10:55*am, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message sechumlib wrote: On 2008-02-15 11:08:49 -0500, "Jim Davis" said: This couldn't have happened. Which makes Markuu's "gun control" solution invalid. Did either of you notice that it DID happen? Congrats -- And if I'm not mistaken, you've just stumbled on the reason that gun control isn't a solution to this particular problem. The act was already illegal. *Several steps leading up to the act were illegal. *Why would one more law on top of a set of illegal acts make any difference? He did buy those guns legally. By your reasoning than if we just make taking cocaine illegal, that would make it superfluous to make manufacturing and distributing cocaine illegal too. |
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PeterL wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:10?am, Alan Pollock wrote: PeterL wrote: Thought I post this first, just to warn europeans to stay away from northern illinois. DEKALB, Ill. - A man dressed in black opened fire with a shotgun and two handguns from a stage of a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University on Thursday, injuring as many as 18 people, four critically, before he killed himself, the school's president said. Northern Illinois, because Euros get scared so easily? No but maybe some people lack a sense of humor. You can dish but take as well, correct? Good. We both had a larf then. Nex |
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PeterL wrote: By your reasoning than if we just make taking cocaine illegal, that would make it superfluous to make manufacturing and distributing cocaine illegal too. Well, why not? Maybe some laws should be printed in the statute books in bold print with certain sections in italics to make them more effective. But, you presented an interesting example; are you a drug warrior too? -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:14:01 -0600, "Jim Davis"
wrote: "Markku Grönroos" wrote in message ti.fi... "PeterL" kirjoitti ... Thought I post this first, just to warn europeans to stay away from northern illinois. Well done. DEKALB, Ill. - A man dressed in black opened fire with a shotgun and two handguns from a stage of a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University on Thursday, injuring as many as 18 people, four critically, before he killed himself, the school's president said. I was about to broadcast this piece of news myself. Yes, it is sad that this happens almost everyday in the USA and so often at school. Americans should pull themselves together (lawmakers in particular) and collect pistols, machine guns and bazookas away from ordinary citizens. These tools don't fit the hands of ordinary people in the first place. And when Joe Smith blows up with hardware bought from the John J. Rambo supermarket, many innocent people have to die for no decent reason. Absurd! OK, Markuu, I'll play along. In the eyes of the anti-gun people, you have a valid point. MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the firearms from the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law were passed? After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the private weapons from the public. An amnesty period was declared so that no-one would be prosecuted for producing an unregistered or illegal weapon during that period. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...685752421.html I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person ratio. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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"Alan S" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:14:01 -0600, "Jim Davis" wrote: "Markku Grönroos" wrote in message hti.fi... "PeterL" kirjoitti ... Thought I post this first, just to warn europeans to stay away from northern illinois. Well done. DEKALB, Ill. - A man dressed in black opened fire with a shotgun and two handguns from a stage of a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University on Thursday, injuring as many as 18 people, four critically, before he killed himself, the school's president said. I was about to broadcast this piece of news myself. Yes, it is sad that this happens almost everyday in the USA and so often at school. Americans should pull themselves together (lawmakers in particular) and collect pistols, machine guns and bazookas away from ordinary citizens. These tools don't fit the hands of ordinary people in the first place. And when Joe Smith blows up with hardware bought from the John J. Rambo supermarket, many innocent people have to die for no decent reason. Absurd! OK, Markuu, I'll play along. In the eyes of the anti-gun people, you have a valid point. MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the firearms from the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law were passed? After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the private weapons from the public. An amnesty period was declared so that no-one would be prosecuted for producing an unregistered or illegal weapon during that period. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...685752421.html I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person ratio. I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware, but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The guy got through easily, and there were no ligitiment gun carriers to try to stop him. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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"sechumlib" wrote in message ... On 2008-02-15 13:55:26 -0500, DevilsPGD said: The act was already illegal. Several steps leading up to the act were illegal. Why would one more law on top of a set of illegal acts make any difference? Because the laws in existence are totally inadequate, largely because of opposition by the NRA and other gun nuts. What we need are A LOT of anti-gun laws, nationally as well as locally, and time for them to be in operation for a while before we evaluate their effectiveness. Any other questions? Yes. How will all these laws affect the criminals? If they're not worried about a murder charge, why should they care about possessing an illegal firearm? |
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In article , Alan S
wrote: MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the firearms from the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law were passed? After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the private weapons from the public. An amnesty period was declared so that no-one would be prosecuted for producing an unregistered or illegal weapon during that period. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...since-buyback/ 2006/12/13/1165685752421.html Hummm... but what about the crime rate overall ? jay Sat Feb 16, 2008 I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person ratio. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia |
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