US fingerprint & photograph all foreign visitors except those on visa waiver

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:11:23 -0800, Newby wrote:


Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to
protect our northern and southern borders? Does our government honestly
believe that terrorists will only attempt to enter the USA via an airliner?

Because it's not doable.

And in the end, does it matter? The whole thing is mostly an exercise of
politics anyway, isn't it?

Newby wrote:

Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing
little to protect our northern and southern borders?

Why don't you all just live in a metal box and cower in fear over all
the enemies your gov't has created over the years?

Why don't you ask your gov't why citizens of foreign countries have
taken it upon themselves to harm, injure, or kill your policy makers
and gov't officials (and as a last resort - your fellow citizens)?

Why is the United States of America practically the only country in
the western world to experience such non-internal threats? Citizens
of other (western) countries do not live in such a state of FUD (fear,
uncertainty, and dread). They shake their heads and feel sorry for
the average US citizen - whom are slowly but surely losing their
freedom and economic prosperity over this politically-motivated
atmosphere of total security awareness (The Bush admin will surely
scare the votes out of the ignorant among you - one way or the other).

Fix the problem, not the symptoms. Ask your leaders why others want
to inflict harm upon you. Otherwise continue to live in fear and
ignorance orchestrated by your politicians and their twisted
ideologies.

"Newby" wrote in message
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"Clark W. Griswold, Jr." 73115 dot 1041 at compuserve dot com wrote in
message ...
Dick Locke wrote:

Does anyone know how this will work? Up to now, someone checking in in
Omaha for a trip to an exit airport in, say, San Francisco, has
his/her passport checked and visa pulled by the Omaha airline clerk if
he or she remembers.

Yep. The US has not had exit control up until this point. Right now,
there
are
large holes in the system as only airports and ports have the exit
control
machines, but land crossing are scheduled to get it over the next year
or
so.

Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to
protect our northern and southern borders? Does our government honestly
believe that terrorists will only attempt to enter the USA via an
airliner?

The government knows that a determined terrorist can easily come into the US
via other means. In fact, I don't believe their goal is to prevent
terrorists from entering the US. Such a task is virtually impossible.

The FBI has an extensive database of known terrorists, suspected
terrorists-in-training, and international wanted criminal felons. I believe
this is a dragnet to catch those deep Al Qaeda operatives who think they're
undercover, as well as dangerous felons entering the country illegally.
They've been doing this in Atlanta since November and the system is working
fine. In fact, they've caught a bunch of bad guys.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:54:32 +0000, Simon Elliott
wrote:

Do it to it, Champ!

"Newby" wrote:

Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to
protect our northern and southern borders? Does our government honestly
believe that terrorists will only attempt to enter the USA via an airliner?

Obviously not, but you have to start somewhere. By the end of 2005, both borders
will be covered as well.

"Clark W. Griswold, Jr." 73115 dot 1041 at compuserve dot com wrote in
message ...
Dick Locke wrote:

Does anyone know how this will work? Up to now, someone checking in in
Omaha for a trip to an exit airport in, say, San Francisco, has
his/her passport checked and visa pulled by the Omaha airline clerk if
he or she remembers.

Yep. The US has not had exit control up until this point. Right now, there
are
large holes in the system as only airports and ports have the exit control
machines, but land crossing are scheduled to get it over the next year or
so.

Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing little to
protect our northern and southern borders? Does our government honestly
believe that terrorists will only attempt to enter the USA via an airliner?

"Fly Guy" wrote in message ...
Newby wrote:

Why are we putting all of this effort into airports and doing
little to protect our northern and southern borders?

Why don't you all just live in a metal box and cower in fear over all
the enemies your gov't has created over the years?

Why don't you ask your gov't why citizens of foreign countries have
taken it upon themselves to harm, injure, or kill your policy makers
and gov't officials (and as a last resort - your fellow citizens)?

Islamo-fascists haven't made the killing of civilians "last resort".
Innocent civilians are their first targets because they are easy to pick
off.

Why is the United States of America practically the only country in
the western world to experience such non-internal threats?

Because the US is the largest, most powerful democracy. Right or wrong, we
represent the western infidel in their eyes.

Citizens
of other (western) countries do not live in such a state of FUD (fear,
uncertainty, and dread). They shake their heads and feel sorry for
the average US citizen - whom are slowly but surely losing their
freedom and economic prosperity over this politically-motivated
atmosphere of total security awareness (The Bush admin will surely
scare the votes out of the ignorant among you - one way or the other).

Quoth the ostrich.

Fix the problem, not the symptoms. Ask your leaders why others want
to inflict harm upon you.

OK.
"2. Bin Laden and al Qaeda violently opposed the United States for several
reasons. First, the United States was regarded as an "infidel" because it
was not governed in a manner consistent with the group's extremist
interpretation of Islam. Second, the United States was viewed as providing
essential support for other "infidel" governments and institutions,
particularly the governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the nation of
Israel, and the United Nations organization, which were regarded as enemies
of the group. Third, al Qaeda opposed the involvement of the United States
armed forces in the Gulf War in 1991 and in Operation Restore Hope in
Somalia in 1992 and 1993. In particular, al Qaeda opposed the continued
presence of American military forces in Saudi Arabia (and elsewhere on the
Saudi Arabian peninsula) following the Gulf War. Fourth, al Qaeda opposed
the United States Government because of the arrest, conviction and
imprisonment of persons belonging to al Qaeda or its affiliated terrorist
groups or those with whom it worked. For these and other reasons, Bin Laden
declared a jihad, or holy war, against the United States, which he has
carried out through al Qaeda and its affiliated organizations."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ndictment.html

Reading that one would have to conclude that al Qaeda is at war with every
western democracy in the world. What part of "the United States was regarded
as an "infidel" because it was not governed in a manner consistent with the
group's extremist interpretation of Islam" do you not understand? Meeting
the demands of the Islamo-fascists in order to remain at peace is not an
acceptable solution for me and my family. Perhaps it is for yours.

This is a war that will be waged for years, and is greater than who a
particular US president is. In fact, the fate of western civilization is at
stake. Tragically, I don't think a lot of the western world will understand
this until something even more horrific than the 9/11 attacks occurs.

In a police station, the cop will have access to your hands before the hands
are scanned. But in the airport, the immigration agent will be behind his
counter, and you just have to place a finger on the small scanner.

So, what prevents a passenger from "wearing" a false fingerprint "glove" ?
Nobody would know because there would be nobody to inspect the hand prior to
the finger being put on the scanner.

Imagine if someone were to obtain George Bush's fingerprints and then
manufacture fake fingerprints to be distributed to thousands of passengers,
the USA database would then become a real farce.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:21:46 +0000 (UTC), "Howard Long"
wrote:

It's pulled but stapled to your international segment boarding card issued
with your Omaha boarding card. The visa is vinally pulled at the gate of the
international segment.

OK, now I see how it works. Thanks.

Secret Asian Man wrote:
Because the US is the largest, most powerful democracy.

With a selected president, a dead opposition that has not opposed a rogue
government, I would not call it a healthy democracy.


Arabas doN't despise the USA because their are a democracy or because of the
lifestyle inside the USA. They despise the USA because the USA is mingling in
their affairs, always taking the side of Israel, defending Israel at the UN by
using its veto, and expecting to tell all countries how to conduct themselves.

The mere fact that the USA is "suggesting" its own constitution to Iraq is a
very good example of this, especially since the UN is perfectly equipped to
suggest various consititutions to the Iraqis and letting them choose it.

The mass hysteria that exists in the USA where americans even support such
orwelian measures as fingerprinting and databasing everyone's pictures is the
result of the actions of the USA government SINCE 9-11. Your government has
made things WORSE.

The argument that invading Iraq without UN approval would only stirr up
terrorists motivations was presented to the USA well before the invasion
began, yet, the USA chose to dismisse those. Now, you are reaping the fruits
of your invasion. Cancelled flights, fingerprints, illegally detained people,
hostages at Gantanamo and the list goes on.