recommendations for a two week trip to europe

Youve got 2 weeks 14 days!! where's Italy? everybody goes to Moscow &
Petersburg, catch Krakow on the way out. No Spain? Spain is Verry
Hot these days In summer, go to scandinavia, it'll fit.. Why go to
edinburg, you got relatives to look up there? good place for me, to
do museums.


There is a funny little thingie on the top center of your map. 0 to
300 km. 300 km is about 200 miles. For first guess, your loop is
about 5000km, or 3000+ miles. Even with a boost from the TGV(TVG?),
you will be on, or waiting to get on a train for 100+ hours.

think about it.............

The Gerald
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:37:13 GMT, Jason Dunsmore
wrote:

http://zwei.homelinux.net/~jason/eur...il-plan-v5.png

Jason Dunsmore wrote:

i'll be traveling around europe for two weeks on the eurail pass
soon. i'd like to see as much of europe as possible during that
time, so i plan on spending one day in each city i visit (with the
exception of london, where i'll spend two days).

here's a tentative route i mapped out:
http://zwei.homelinux.net/~jason/eur...il-plan-v4.png

i'm from the US, so i don't have much of a concept of how long it will
take to travel that distance in europe. (i'm guessing my route is a
little overly ambitious.) how many cities do you think i'll have time
to see along that route? what do you think is an optimum distance to
travel in two weeks?

About 13 years ago my wife, son and I travelled on a 15 day unlimited
travel Eurail pass. We started off in Paris and went immediately to
Strasbourg, spent two days there. Then we went to Lahr and stayed at a
friend's apartment and made a day trips to Baden Badem, and over night
trip to Rothenburg ob der Tauber and back. Next we went to Switzerland,
stayed on night in Gimmelwald and three days with relatives near Luasanne.
It took about 9 hours to get from Lausanne to Padua where we grabbed a
hotel, then back on the train to Venice. for the evening and back to Padua
for the night. The next day we left midmorning for Nice, arriving around
5 pm. We spent two nights there and then on the TGV to Paris on the last
day of the pass.

Train is a great way to travel Europe. The trains are clean and run on
time (not so much it Italy) . The train stations were well situated and
are usually close to decent hotels and restaurants. There is lots of great
scenery.

any idea how long it takes to get from london to edinburgh?
1 hour by plane

About five hours by plane, when you count travel to the airport at
both ends, checkin time and time waiting at the carousel if you've
checked a bag. The train takes about the same time between the city
centres and is a lot less hassle and more comfortable, but usually
more expensive. I'd only fly to a London airport if I was on my way
to somewhere else (which in fact accounts for every trip I've made
to London in the last ten years).

Was it really necessary to take four friggin megabytes to say where
you're going? My browser can't even display the thing.

If you want to include Edinburgh on a pan-European itinerary it
makes more sense to go through it (to Dublin by plane or Zeebrugge
by the Rosyth ferry) than to make it just a side trip from London.

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"is that more reasonable? i'd like to spend at least a day in
frankfurt, amsterdam, london, edinburgh, and paris. if time allows,
i'll also visit either bern or basel. otherwise, i'll just cut across
to frankfurt."

I'd also skip Frankfurt and Basel. Are you under 25 yrs old? I did
something similar to this madness when I was 22. But I had already been
in Europe for 2.5 months, and ended up not being able to drag myself
away from the social scene in Greece. Suddenly, I found that I had one
week to get back to London for my return flight home, and... I hadn't
seen a lot of the cities I originally planned to see. I took all night
trains, getting into each city in the morning, checked my luggage and
literally ran from one tourist sight to another. When I got home, I was
absolutely exhausted and sicker than a dog. It took me two weeks to
recover. Never again.

Now... Even on an ambitious plan, why don't you just stick to London,
Edinburgh, Amsterdam and Paris? You still will not be able to see all
the major sights in London and Paris. Or, skip Edinburgh and like
someone else posted add in Munich (since you seem intent on seeing as
many major cities as is possible). If it were me, and those cities were
my choices: London, Amsterdam and Paris. Period.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:37:13 GMT, Jason Dunsmore
wrote:

thanks for the replies.

here's a revised route:
http://zwei.homelinux.net/~jason/eur...il-plan-v5.png

is that more reasonable? i'd like to spend at least a day in
frankfurt, amsterdam, london, edinburgh, and paris. if time allows,
i'll also visit either bern or basel. otherwise, i'll just cut across
to frankfurt.

It's like this. Here in r.t.e. once or twice a week an American on a
tight, tight supertight schedule wants to 'do' Europe in as little
time as possible so he/she can go home and say they have travelled the
world.

You will hate it, and get NOTHING out of it, except a distaste for any
travel in the future and a hole in your bank account. If you want to
do this, then I feel sorry for you.

Otherwise, go to London, Paris, and Amsterdam for the 2 weeks. There
isn't even enough time there to scratch the surface of those three,
but at least you will have some fun.
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"Simone" writes:
Now... Even on an ambitious plan, why don't you just stick to London,
Edinburgh, Amsterdam and Paris? You still will not be able to see all
the major sights in London and Paris. Or, skip Edinburgh and like
someone else posted add in Munich (since you seem intent on seeing as
many major cities as is possible). If it were me, and those cities were
my choices: London, Amsterdam and Paris. Period.

thanks for the recommendations. i've been to munich before, and i've
decided to save the UK for my next trip. i think i'd like to see
frankfurt though.

here's the latest (hopefully final) version of the map:
http://zwei.homelinux.net/~jason/eur...urail-plan.png

i'll go to frankfurt, amsterdam, paris, and bern.

jason

Jason Dunsmore wrote in
:

http://zwei.homelinux.net/~jason/eur...urail-plan.png

Much better, I can breathe again. Give Paris at least 3 days on the
ground, Brussels is worth a day stop. Brugge is worth a deviation,
Antwerp a stop and Amsterdam a day or two at the least. Switzerland is
expensive but the scenery is not to be found elsewhere take your time
there. I am not big on Germany so I can't comment there.

--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

"Jason Dunsmore" skrev i meddelandet
...
"Simone" writes:
Now... Even on an ambitious plan, why don't you just stick to London,
Edinburgh, Amsterdam and Paris? You still will not be able to see all
the major sights in London and Paris. Or, skip Edinburgh and like
someone else posted add in Munich (since you seem intent on seeing as
many major cities as is possible). If it were me, and those cities were
my choices: London, Amsterdam and Paris. Period.

thanks for the recommendations. i've been to munich before, and i've
decided to save the UK for my next trip. i think i'd like to see
frankfurt though.

here's the latest (hopefully final) version of the map:
http://zwei.homelinux.net/~jason/eur...urail-plan.png

i'll go to frankfurt, amsterdam, paris, and bern.

jason
AFAIK U.K isn't included in Eurail so you don't have much advantage of that
for Edinburgh.
Nor is it valid for the Eurostar train London-Paris/Brussels but you've a
discount.
Your travel plan seem to be now so limited so I doubt Eurail pays back at
all, possibly you're fine with ordinary point to point tickets ?

"Jason Dunsmore" wrote:
thanks for the recommendations. i've been to munich before,
and i've decided to save the UK for my next trip. i think i'd like
to see frankfurt though.
here's the latest (hopefully final) version of the map:
http://zwei.homelinux.net/~jason/eur...urail-plan.png
i'll go to frankfurt, amsterdam, paris, and bern.

Now, I'm concerned that you're spending too much time in
one place. I'd use these as bases for a few side trips. =R=

"Lennart Petersen" writes:

AFAIK U.K isn't included in Eurail so you don't have much advantage of that
for Edinburgh.
Nor is it valid for the Eurostar train London-Paris/Brussels but you've a
discount.
Your travel plan seem to be now so limited so I doubt Eurail pays back at
all, possibly you're fine with ordinary point to point tickets ?

if i have time to spare, i'll visit salzburg or regensburg, or small
towns along the way.

i don't think point-to-point tickets would've been cheaper. frankfurt
to amsterdam alone is $236.

jason