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Old December 27th, 2012, 09:25 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

"...Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control.
They’ve actually gone up. Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per
year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S.,
meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is
lower than France’s, at 504..."

google it for source
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Old December 27th, 2012, 11:44 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

On Dec 27, 1:25Â*pm, ПеаБраин wrote:
British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

"...Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control.
They’ve actually gone up. Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per
year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S.,
meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is
lower than France’s, at 504..."

google it for source


The murder rate for the U.S. is 4.2 per 100,000. For the U.K., it's
only 1.2. Here's the murder rate for some selected countries:

U.S., 4.2
Argentina, 3.4
Chile, 3.2
Taiwan, 3.2
Iran, 3.0
Liechtenstein, 2.8
South Korea, 2.6
Finland, 2.2
Canada, 1.6
Vietnam, 1.6
Greece, 1.5
Ireland, 1.2
U.K., 1.2
Portugal, 1.2
France, 1.1
Netherlands, 1.1
Sweden, 1.0
Australia, 1.0
Denmark, 0.9
Italy, 0.9
New Zealand, 0.9
Spain, 0.8
Germany, 0.8
Switzerland, 0.7
Norway, 0.6
Japan, 0.4
Singapore, 0.3
Iceland, 0.3
Hong Kong, 0.2
Monaco, 0.0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
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Old December 27th, 2012, 11:55 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

???????? wrote:
British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

The long knives I guess are likely to appeal more to the hoodlums, but I
seem to remember that a two inch blade is long enough to reach the heart.
What needs to become a criminal offence is the carrying of knives of all
types in the street except in closely defined circumstances and even then
in suitably secure locked containers. And with years of prison for any
hoodlum that nevertheless carries a bare knife.




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Old December 28th, 2012, 02:27 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:44:53 -0800 (PST), mg wrote:

On Dec 27, 1:25*pm, ???????? wrote:
British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

"...Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control.
They’ve actually gone up. Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per
year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S.,
meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is
lower than France’s, at 504..."

google it for source


The murder rate for the U.S. is 4.2 per 100,000. For the U.K., it's
only 1.2. Here's the murder rate for some selected countries:


So we can ignore a violent attack such as rape or assault that causes extensive
physical harm does not end up as murder?? His statistics come from a
report generated by the European Commission and the UN, so it would not
be argued that it is biased in favor of the U.S. See --
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

The homicide rate in the U.S. before reestablishing the death penalty was
more than twice as much as now, rising to as high as 9.8 per 100,000. So
the death penalty seems to have worked a bit. But what else can we do?
Promise to boil them in oil and give convicted murderers a bit of torture
before killing them? Or like the EU, give them a parade if they promise not
to do it again?? After all... people are considered INNOCENT until convicted
in a court of law... so we can't put them in prison or take away their rights
on the BELIEF that they will commit a violent crime or murder.


Planet Visitor II



U.S., 4.2
Argentina, 3.4
Chile, 3.2
Taiwan, 3.2
Iran, 3.0
Liechtenstein, 2.8
South Korea, 2.6
Finland, 2.2
Canada, 1.6
Vietnam, 1.6
Greece, 1.5
Ireland, 1.2
U.K., 1.2
Portugal, 1.2
France, 1.1
Netherlands, 1.1
Sweden, 1.0
Australia, 1.0
Denmark, 0.9
Italy, 0.9
New Zealand, 0.9
Spain, 0.8
Germany, 0.8
Switzerland, 0.7
Norway, 0.6
Japan, 0.4
Singapore, 0.3
Iceland, 0.3
Hong Kong, 0.2
Monaco, 0.0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

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Old December 28th, 2012, 08:59 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

On Dec 27, 6:27*pm, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:44:53 -0800 (PST), mg wrote:
On Dec 27, 1:25*pm, ???????? wrote:
British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings


"...Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control.
They’ve actually gone up. Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per
year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S.,
meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is
lower than France’s, at 504..."


google it for source


The murder rate for the U.S. is 4.2 per 100,000. For the U.K., it's
only 1.2. Here's the murder rate for some selected countries:


So we can ignore a violent attack such as rape or assault


Statistics on "violent crime" cannot be compared between countries
because of all the different factors involved.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

I imagine the parents whose children were murdered in the Sandy Hook
Elementary School, though, would gladly volunteer to be raped if they
could have their children back.


that causes extensive
physical harm does not end up as murder?? *His statistics come from a
report generated by the European Commission and the UN, so it would not
be argued that it is biased in favor of the U.S. *See --http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-E...

The homicide rate in the U.S. before reestablishing the death penalty was
more than twice as much as now, rising to as high as 9.8 per 100,000. *So
the death penalty seems to have worked a bit. *But what else can we do?
Promise to boil them in oil and give convicted murderers a bit of torture
before killing them? *Or like the EU, give them a parade if they promise not
to do it again?? After all... people are considered INNOCENT until convicted
in a court of law... so we can't put them in prison or take away their rights
on the BELIEF that they will commit a violent crime or murder.

Planet Visitor II







U.S., 4.2
Argentina, 3.4
Chile, 3.2
Taiwan, 3.2
Iran, 3.0
Liechtenstein, 2.8
South Korea, 2.6
Finland, 2.2
Canada, 1.6
Vietnam, 1.6
Greece, 1.5
Ireland, 1.2
U.K., 1.2
Portugal, 1.2
France, 1.1
Netherlands, 1.1
Sweden, 1.0
Australia, 1.0
Denmark, 0.9
Italy, 0.9
New Zealand, 0.9
Spain, 0.8
Germany, 0.8
Switzerland, 0.7
Norway, 0.6
Japan, 0.4
Singapore, 0.3
Iceland, 0.3
Hong Kong, 0.2
Monaco, 0.0


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tional_homicid...


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Old December 28th, 2012, 06:14 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 20:27:40 -0500, Planet Visitor II
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:44:53 -0800 (PST), mg wrote:

On Dec 27, 1:25*pm, ???????? wrote:
British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

"...Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control.
They’ve actually gone up. Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per
year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S.,
meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is
lower than France’s, at 504..."

google it for source


The murder rate for the U.S. is 4.2 per 100,000. For the U.K., it's
only 1.2. Here's the murder rate for some selected countries:


So we can ignore a violent attack such as rape or assault that causes extensive
physical harm does not end up as murder??


As the US rates for these are also terrible compared to the civilised
parts of the World, its best to keep it quiet about it.
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Old December 29th, 2012, 07:00 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:06:45 +0100, Earl Evleth wrote:

On 28/12/12 2:27, in article ,
"Planet Visitor II" wrote:

The homicide rate in the U.S. before reestablishing the death penalty was
more than twice as much as now, rising to as high as 9.8 per 100,000. So
the death penalty seems to have worked a bit.


The death penalty existed before the brief halt occurred. From 1930 to 1956
both execution rates and murder rates declined.


That wasn't the death penalty in use today. Trying to use it as a comparison,
is like trying to compare the execution of Louis XVI with the execution of Ted
Bundy.

Most recently the homicide rate peaked about 1993 and dropped to the current
rate in the mid 2000s and remained static.


Yep... the death penalty can only do so much in reducing the murder rate.
Most murderers don't give a rat's ass about what might happen if they are
caught. But one thing is sure... no executed murderer has ever risen from the
grave to commit another murder. While EVERY OTHER sentence of a
murderer has resulted in an instance of escape and commission of another
murder. Which means everyone opposed to the death penalty who argues
that Life in Prison is just as safe is a liar and responsible for the death of that
innocent victim. See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeus...emurderers.htm
Some day, when I have time, I'm going to go through the list of other murderers
I know were released and murdered again. It will double the list here.

Homicide rates increased in the 1970 hitting 9.8 in 1974, 10.2 in 1980, 9.8
in 1991 and dropped since. That drop was predicted by researchers based
largely on demographic reasons. Ageing of the population.


While this is not the death penalty forum -- Here are the facts again -- This time try
to provide some of your own, and avoid comparing car thieves with murderers, as
it is well known that murderers are least recidivist to commit ANOTHER murder, but
it is insanity to argue that such a point means we should limit convicted murderers
to the sentences provided for car theft, in the HOPE that they won't commit
another murder.

The fact is that the recidivism rate for murderers released in 1983, during
the following three years, when the death penalty had not been used for 10 years
(Luis Jose Monge: executed June 2, 1967 - Gary Gilmo executed January 17,
1977) and was used only a few times during the next 10 years, was a startling 6.6%.
See Table 9, at --
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpr83.pdf

While the recidivism rate for murderers released in 1994, when the death penalty
was in full swing was a more reasonable and acceptable 1.2%. See Table 10, at --
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpr94.pdf

Also see for the great difference in executions between those two periods --
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-year

From this, one can see that a low execution rate of murderers accompanied a high
recidivism rate from previous murderers, and a high execution rate of murderers
accompanied a low recidivism rate from previous murderers.

Notice that these two figures have nothing to do with those who commit murder,
but had never been convicted of murder prior to having commit that murder.
Everyone can commit murder, so apparently your argument is we should lock
up everybody under the belief that they will commit murder. We need to concern
ourselves with those who have already committed a murder, which is why
punishments for committing murder are greater than those for car thieves or
for anyone else convicted of committing a crime.

You need to return to that "back of the envelope" upon which you develop all your
foolish theories, my son. Because you continue to cook the books when it comes
to any statistical analysis.



Planet Visitor II
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Old December 29th, 2012, 07:11 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 23:59:14 -0800 (PST), mg wrote:

On Dec 27, 6:27*pm, Planet Visitor II wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:44:53 -0800 (PST), mg wrote:
On Dec 27, 1:25*pm, ???????? wrote:
British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings


"...Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control.
They’ve actually gone up. Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per
year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S.,
meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is
lower than France’s, at 504..."


google it for source


The murder rate for the U.S. is 4.2 per 100,000. For the U.K., it's
only 1.2. Here's the murder rate for some selected countries:


So we can ignore a violent attack such as rape or assault


Statistics on "violent crime" cannot be compared between countries
because of all the different factors involved.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html


That's strange... you offer as proof of your argument the Daily Mail, and
an article which states emphatically that Britain is MORE VIOLENT than
the U.S.

I imagine the parents whose children were murdered in the Sandy Hook
Elementary School, though, would gladly volunteer to be raped if they
could have their children back.

I imagine it is no different than how the parents would feel about their children
murdered in Norway. What's your point? Is it supposed to make rape less
than violent??

that causes extensive
physical harm does not end up as murder?? *His statistics come from a
report generated by the European Commission and the UN, so it would not
be argued that it is biased in favor of the U.S. *See --
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lent-country-E...

The homicide rate in the U.S. before reestablishing the death penalty was
more than twice as much as now, rising to as high as 9.8 per 100,000. *So
the death penalty seems to have worked a bit. *But what else can we do?
Promise to boil them in oil and give convicted murderers a bit of torture
before killing them? *Or like the EU, give them a parade if they promise not
to do it again?? After all... people are considered INNOCENT until convicted
in a court of law... so we can't put them in prison or take away their rights
on the BELIEF that they will commit a violent crime or murder.

Planet Visitor II

U.S., 4.2
Argentina, 3.4
Chile, 3.2
Taiwan, 3.2
Iran, 3.0
Liechtenstein, 2.8
South Korea, 2.6
Finland, 2.2
Canada, 1.6
Vietnam, 1.6
Greece, 1.5
Ireland, 1.2
U.K., 1.2
Portugal, 1.2
France, 1.1
Netherlands, 1.1
Sweden, 1.0
Australia, 1.0
Denmark, 0.9
Italy, 0.9
New Zealand, 0.9
Spain, 0.8
Germany, 0.8
Switzerland, 0.7
Norway, 0.6
Japan, 0.4
Singapore, 0.3
Iceland, 0.3
Hong Kong, 0.2
Monaco, 0.0


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tional_homicid...


Not all violence is homicide. It seems like you are trying to condone violence if it
doesn't result in homicide... which leaves that gaping hole of rape, incest, assault,
and violent car jacking. Not to mention in terms of the fetus in the womb the legal
clinical violence subjected on a woman seeking an on-demand abortion. See --
http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_techniques/

While on-demand abortion is not on trial here, in a woman in her second-trimester,
in good health otherwise, the amputation of an arm, having no other physical
complications, would probably be less INVASIVE than the vacuum suction technique
used to abort, including the use of a ring forceps to remove any material wedged in
the end of the cannula or lodged at the external os lump.

Apparently, to so many from the left, violence is only bad when it's illegal, and in other
cases violence on a person is quite permissible and even sought after.



Planet Visitor II
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Old December 29th, 2012, 07:21 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,uk.politics.misc,alt.horror,rec.travel.europe
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Default British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:14:00 GMT, (Cassandra) wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 20:27:40 -0500, Planet Visitor II
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:44:53 -0800 (PST), mg wrote:

On Dec 27, 1:25*pm, ???????? wrote:
British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

"...Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control.
They’ve actually gone up. Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per
year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S.,
meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is
lower than France’s, at 504..."

google it for source

The murder rate for the U.S. is 4.2 per 100,000. For the U.K., it's
only 1.2. Here's the murder rate for some selected countries:


So we can ignore a violent attack such as rape or assault that causes extensive
physical harm does not end up as murder??


As the US rates for these are also terrible compared to the civilised
parts of the World, its best to keep it quiet about it.


But the UK rates are higher for violent crime. See --
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

And no, Cassandra... I will not let you carry my child in your womb, no matter how much
you beg me.



Planet Visitor II
 




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